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The future of Lydia & George Wickham?

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Sofia The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, after 20 years, George (a drunk and gamer) dies and Lydia is still the same immature and unrefined lady.

I would like to know what kind of life do you think George and Lydia could have lived?
Were they really confined to that end?
Or are you more optimistic and you believe they could have learned with their mistakes?
I think it will be interesting to know what future do you imagine for Lydia and George :)


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HJ I haven't read the sequel you mention, but I'm not very hopeful about Lydia and Wickham. The real problem is that neither of them has any resources within themselves to fall back on; each relies on outside stimulus for amusement, and I suspect it won't be long before each finds the other to be insufficiently interesting or amusing. One cannot imagine Lydia settling down to manage a household or mother children, or Wickham finding satisfaction in work. And they're just not rich enough to afford endless pleasures. Then when they start arguing about money...

Maybe their best chance is that Lizzie married Darcy, and so they may be persuaded to bail Lydia out periodically.


Sofia That's actually a very good and pondered answer. But I would like to imagine a different future...
For example, I see Wickham as the unfaithful husband, burning all the money in women, games and alcohol. Lydia, instead, wakes up to reality and she sees with what kind of person she got married and she understands that he will never work to support her pleasures.
I agree with you, their only salvation is Darcy, although Lydia will not get too much from there, because Wickham will consume all in his entertainment.


Shanna Lydia Bennet's Story by Jane Odiwe

Another possible Lydia future


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Teresa Edgerton I think they will make each other miserable because they're each so selfish. Wickham, as the husband, has the power to make Lydia much more unhappy but if he treats her too badly she can always appeal to the Darcys and Bingleys. He will have no one to turn to for relief when he's in trouble, probably, because he will have abused the trust of everyone who might have been his friend. So Lydia will be worth something to him -- Jane would never let her sister go penniless. Though the Darcys see through Wickham and could never be depended on for too much rich though they are, kind-hearted Jane could always be imposed on. Mr Bennet was just about right about his daughter's future with Bingley -- that they are both so kind-hearted and good-natured that there will always be others to take advantage of them. Because of that connection, I think Wickham would always try to hold a little of Lydia's affection, and she would make use of the power that gives her. I think they would both take lovers, and he would have to appear to condone her affairs, no matter how spiteful he might be about them in small ways.


Erin W I think you're right about Lydia's selfishness, but I don't think Lydia would take lovers. Remember that this a pre-birth control era. She'll have multiple kids by Wickham because they have no self-control (have you seen the BBC adaptation, where they are lounging in bed together all scantily-clad and post-coital?). Even if they grow cold and distant with each other, she's not going to sleep with another guy if it's just going to mean more damn kids.


Maria This is an interesting question.

Given both their characters and behaviour i agree with some of the previous posters: Lydia and Whickam would, as soon as they ran out of money to spend on their pleasures, start to bicker ar each other, blaming one another for their lack of funds and they will try to swindle yet another carefree soul. I even come to immagine that they will work as a pair to "reel" the big fishes: Lydia atracts them, men of good fortunes and no emotional ties to their wives, entertains them, and then Whickham will come along and will extort money out of them by some scheme - i immagine them with that kin d of "cleverness" - street cleverness.
I also think that in times of more stress - finantial one - Lydia will turn to Jane for money and support - i can also see Jane raising her children alongside Lydia and Whickham´s very own, because i don´t see them as very parental type and they seem more prone to have their pleasures and the time to seek them than to raise litle kids that will ruin their chances of yet another swindle.
Whickhamwill not remove himself out of Lydia´s life because, as someone has said earlier, she still has relatives who care about her and that will provide for her in times of need, and he has nobody in the world to care for him, so he will remain in her life, not scolding her too much, letting her do as she bids and she will spitefully admonish him and say "you know that if i leave you, you will starve to death" kind of thing - she is that childish and unprepared for life.


Sofia Shanna wrote: "Lydia Bennet's Story by Jane Odiwe

Another possible Lydia future"


Ohhh didn't know about this book! Thank you Shanna!

I like the ideas that are coming from this question. Especially about they working as a team... never thought aout it. I have trouble to imagine Lydia doing something like that, but we all know that it's something that Wickham can absolutely do, so maybe he just convinces her.


Maria I would say that the team task force lol idea would appearat the same time or one wouldnot have much difficulty convincing the other....funnily enough, it hink that this would be an idea of Lydia rather than Whickham´s - in face of dire straits, she will grown an iniciative and this would be the sort of situation that she would not be too unconfortable with - even delighted, if i may say so:she would continue to attend salons, the Ópera,the theater, balls, new gowns and bonnets all the time - all the things she loves to do! And to flirt with other men....she would revel in that.


Robin I don't think they would have had a happy ending. what with Wickham's champagne tastes and beer budget, and Lydia not caring a whit for anyone but herself. I hope that they wouldn't have any children, what kind of life would that be for them. They probably would have been reared by Lizzy and Mr. Darcy and they may have had a loveable environment in their home.


Cleiton Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, after 20 years, George (a drunk and gamer) ..."


I think Jane Austen suggests the end of the book, Lydia and Wickham lived needing the help of others, such as those relatives that nobody likes but has to endure.


Victoria I can definitely imagine, in my hopeful imagination, that Lydia would mature with age. She was so young and foolish when she married Wickham. I can see her keeping her silliness, her mom seemed to have a lot of unrefined characteristics, but maturing as she gets older and has kids to be a respectable...enough lady.

I don't share that same hope for Wickham.


Cleiton Victoria wrote: "I can definitely imagine, in my hopeful imagination, that Lydia would mature with age. She was so young and foolish when she married Wickham. I can see her keeping her silliness, her mom seemed to ..."

Victoria, if Lydia gained more maturity with age. This would be really the suffering for her.


Sofia Victoria wrote: "I can definitely imagine, in my hopeful imagination, that Lydia would mature with age. She was so young and foolish when she married Wickham. I can see her keeping her silliness, her mom seemed to ..."

I agree with you Victoria. I really do like to imagine that she will mature.


Maria Lydia could mature but she would always be a bit of an unrefined person, no matter how many coats of varnish she would covers herself in....and i would think that she would like to maintain that sort of selfish, childish behaviour simply because she thinks it´s one of her charms, that people like it.


Teresa Edgerton Maria wrote: "Lydia could mature but she would always be a bit of an unrefined person, no matter how many coats of varnish she would covers herself in....and i would think that she would like to maintain that so..."

Oh, good point! She probably does think it's one of her charms.


Sophie-Lousie I think that there is more hope for Lydia than Wickham. She has Lizzie and Jane to help her out, whilst he has no one. And I think he probably would die earlier than her, what with his drinking and everything. Then Lydia would probably either live with Jane or live in a small home paid for by Lizzie and Jane.


Alice Catherine Poor Lydia is only 15? 16? when she runs off with Wickham. Still a girl. Best hope for her is that Wickham dies before she gets too embittered by his womanising and general hopelessness with money. Hmm, maybe I should write a sequel so it all turns out just as I want it to :-)


Sofia Alice wrote: "Poor Lydia is only 15? 16? when she runs off with Wickham. Still a girl. Best hope for her is that Wickham dies before she gets too embittered by his womanising and general hopelessness with mone..."

Hehe, Alice, that is a great idea! :)


Maria Alice wrote: "Poor Lydia is only 15? 16? when she runs off with Wickham. Still a girl. Best hope for her is that Wickham dies before she gets too embittered by his womanising and general hopelessness with mone..."

Writte it....i, for one would like to read it.


Leslie Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, after 20 years, George (a drunk and gamer) ..."


Hey Sofia..I read that book too...what didn't you like about it? I thought it was so-so.


Sofia Leslie wrote: "Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, after 20 years, George (a drun..."


Hi Leslie :)
Well, I didn't like it because I think she destroyed the characters. I didn't like that she killed the romanticism between Darcy and Lizzy. It gave me the impression that she even calls Darcy a liar and a cold man, that lied to Lizzy just to conquer her as if she was an object and then when the passion faded away, he just ignored her.
Ok, I know that they love each other at the end of the book and that this could have happened in the real life - that's true - but all the "dark" business of Darcy made him a terrible man. I really hated that. Like if only politics and money were important for him. In P&P, Austen created a more honest character.

Then I also didn't like that Bingley was so absent and that he ended by leaving his wife and that Jane just shrugged her shoulders and didn't care.

Mary... I also didn't like her character.

Ok, to sum it up, I think she killed all the characters that Austen created with so much love!

but maybe it's just my perception, of course :)


Leslie Sofia wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, after 20 years..."


Hey Sofia,

My thoughts on the characters and the book itself are very similar. I didn't like the way the author portrayed the Darcy's or the Bingley's. Also Mary's part was just ridiculous. And Lydia's behavior...well I guess that was pretty realistic.
From what I can remember, there were a lot of "what am I reading" moments. And definitely at one point, I wanted to stop reading the book but I stuck it out.


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Tena Sofia wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, after 20 years..."



If that is what she did then I would agree with you; she did kill the charaters. The only sequel I have read is callled Pemberly Manor...Darcy and Elizabeth, for better or for worse, by Katheryn L. Nelson. I thought it was good except for one thing...Darcy kinda turns into a cry baby. I understand that the author wanted Darcy to show emotion but I believe she could've done that without the tears...other than that I thought the book kept true to the original characters and added new ones seemlessly.


Sofia Leslie wrote: "Sofia wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, a..."


I stopped reading the book and only after a break of one week or two I finished it. It was too much for me. Also, I don't like the way Colleen writes.


Sofia Tena wrote: "Sofia wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, ..."


I'm always craving for sequels of P&P.
Haven't read that one, I'll have to find it :)


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Mona In my opinion, Wickham and Lydia would have had a disgraceful life. Wickham alcoholic, gamer, womanizer. Always thought that he would mistreat her. Penniless, Lydia would have asked Lizzie but she would refuse, she and Darcy hate so much Wickham, no way they are going to maintain them. Then they would have asked Jane, who would agree, of course, she's so good-hearted. Lydia never matures, really. And has always by her side Kitty, who's more or less the same way she is. With a bit of luck Wickham dies in a dirty and dark alley and Lydia, widow, merries somebody else.
And I'm definetly not going to read any sequels. Would ruin everything!


Teresa Edgerton I read a sequel in High School called Pemberley Shades. I was halfway through it before I realized that it *was* a sequel to Pride and Prejudice. But then I think I'd only read P&P once at that point. I can only remember one or two scenes, and not whether it was any good or not, or who wrote it (obviously not Jane Austen!), but I don't believe it was written in Austen's style at all. Don't remember what fate the author had devised for Lydia, but I seem to remember that Kitty was coming to visit and that she had improved a great deal.


Michael Anson Mystery author P.D. James just finished a new book, titled, "Death Comes to Pemberly," about what happened after Elizabeth and Darcy marry. In her story, Wickham is murdered, and the culprit is then pursued. I haven't read it yet, but I intend to over Christmas. I am not a big fan of novels using other novels as reference points, but I do trust P.D. James deft hands, and this work seems promising. If anyone out there has already read it, feel free to tell me about it.


Maria I too, am not very prone to read sequels that derive from other novels, so, i am not about to read any of it.

Do like the perception that Kitty would have improved herself in order not to fall on the same trap as her sister - well, after Lydia´s alopment, Mr Bennett must have imposed very strict rules to his remaining daughters.


Sofia Maria wrote: "I too, am not very prone to read sequels that derive from other novels, so, i am not about to read any of it.

Do like the perception that Kitty would have improved herself in order not to fall on ..."


I agree with you. Not only Mr Bennet, but Mrs Bennet also got very touched by the scandal of Lydia ("oh my nerves!") and she also stopped indulging her youngest daughters.


Adriana I rather got the impression that Mrs. Bennett forgot all about the scandal as soon as they were married. She seemed thrilled at the prospect of finally having a married daughter and was completely oblivious of the fact it took some serious back-room dealing to bring the wedding about.


Sofia That's true, but that doesn't mean that she didn't decide to be more cautious with the other two daughters...

I mean, even her, she had to realize that she was very lucky for having Mr Darcy solving that problem for them.


Maria Ah, but Mrs Bennett never knew that it was Mr Darcy´s dealing that brought Lydia´s marriage about: only Mr. Bennett was aware of that.

I agree with you Adriana that Mrs Bennett was all too much thrilled at having one of her daughters married, by whatever means, to even consider taking precautions towards her other daughters: she didn´t care if he was crook thar seduced her daughter, as long as they got married - i think it was up to her husband to keep the reigns short in order not to happen another scandalous marriage in the family.


Destructo The Mad I'm looking forward to finding out when I read Death Comes to Pemberley over Christmas. I can't imagine it ended well for them.


Teresa Edgerton I don't think Mrs Bennett knew that Mr Darcy had a hand in arranging the marriage. All she knew was that Lydia was married, and a daughter married so young was a source of satisfaction to her. If Kitty or Mary had another "shot-gun" wedding, I don't think it would matter to her.

But Mr B had obviously learned a lesson. He was going to keep a sharp eye on the remaining girls, and he, at least, would keep Kitty from following Lydia's bad example. I think we need not worry about Kitty. At the first sign of bad behavior, her father would have bricked her up in her bedroom. (OK, a slight exaggeration.)


Sofia Ohhh now I feel silly :)
That would change everything!


Michael Anson Is it just me, or is the Wickham actor cast in the Pride and Prejudice film starring Keira Knightly WAY too good looking for his own good. A guarantee of trouble brewing for the especially attractive who tend to rest on their laurels. Thank God I don't have that problem


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Beth I think they have practically no hope. I'm not normally a pessimist but honestly Lydia leaves home too early (mainly her wise older sisters) to learn anything. She is sillier than her mother and I don't think she will ever live well. Wickham will forever create debts for himself. He's a gambler and that would be hard to break. especially if he has no desire to.


Robin I don't see a good outcome for either of them. They will probably be penniless with his gambling debts ratcheting up, and she will forever still be a flirt.


Nattaporn I got to read Lydia bennet's Story and I totally like the end of her. After learned from her big mistake such a fast women marry Gorege Wickham, she got to has a happy ending life.
I almost can say that I like the book as much as Pride And Prejudict.


Melanie I think Wickham will have affairs. As long as Lydia is pretty I think she will allow her self to be seduced - either because she is stupid or as a way to get even with her husband.

Lydia is going to be insanely jealous of her sisters because they have everything she wants but doesn't have - mainly a permanent home, a loving husband, and good standing in a community. Lydia never found fault in her actions. She was even bragging about being the first married.


Michelle Wardhaugh Lydia never saw or heard anything she didn't want to see or hear. While there is no hope for a happy ending for her, she will still see her life the way she wants to see it. You would think that the degredation that a man like Wickham is destined to bring to himself and his wife would wake her up, but look at the patterns in the book. The worst will be softened by her sisters. They will make sure she is never homeless or starving, and she will continue to only see what she wants to see. It's frustrating to readers that nothing will ever be learned by this character, but I don't see her ever lifting her head out of her self created fog.


Maria Michelle wrote: "Lydia never saw or heard anything she didn't want to see or hear. While there is no hope for a happy ending for her, she will still see her life the way she wants to see it. You would think that ..."

The worst blind is the one who does not want to see - i think this old saying can be aplied to Lydia.


Vonnie Hughes I've got PD James' Death Comes to Pemberley. I wanted to see what an experienced author would bring to the table. My opinion is that her sending Lydia and Wickham off to USA is a convenient one for the rest of the family (because, let's face it; Lizzie and her sisters would forever be funding them). However, as everyone says, I think that couple is doomed to fail everywhere. I know James made him into a successful horse coper (after all, the nature of the job includes a huge amount of subterfuge), but still...As others have said, Lydia with her blinkers on and Wickham with his inability to tread a straight line are probably doomed to a hand-to-mouth future. I notice James had Wickham succeed rather well in a battle (can't remember which one) and so lifts him up to a certain extent. I found that not so believable.

Which just goes to show what an out-and-out knave Austen made of him.

Loved PD James' clear but period language.


Obi loves Chewy Sorry guys I'm not going to be a ton fancy and i'm not going to write a paragraph I pearly don't know what will happen


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I think they will end up being miserable becasue Whickam only married her because Darcy paid him off to marry her. So I think thats pretty telling of thier future.


Stephen Death Comes to Pemberley has gotten some very poor reviews Has anyone who's been involved in this thread liked it?

Personally I see Lydia's problem as being partly caused by her youth and inexperience. I hold out hope that she could grow. But as to Whickham... I'm afraid his is the kind of character that doesn't improve with age.


Cleiton Sofia wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Sofia wrote: "The last year I read The Independence of Miss Mary Bennet by Colleen McCullough (which I hated, by the way)
In that sequel, after 20 years, George (a drun..."

Hi Lesli..."


Good point, Sofia.


Taliah I just read a book about Georgianna Darcy, also a fan-fiction novel but surprisingly good. It shows something of Mr. Wickham and Lydia's future life... Wickham is a drunk who comes to blackmail Darcy into giving him money. Of course, he inevitable fails... I also think he will die before long in their marriage, and that Lydia will then be provided for by her sisters. But, for some reason, I think Lydia's love life won't end there, somehow she'll find herself husband no. 2 ;-)


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