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message 1: by JoAnn/QuAppelle (last edited Oct 29, 2011 10:04AM) (new)

JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
please chat here about anything.....

With 244 so-called members, certainly someone has something to talk about.

At the risk of offending some people, if you have no intention of ever participating, I would appreciate it if you would delete this board from the ones to which you belong. The thing is, I am vexed/disgruntled/annoyed/and exasperated, if not offended, every day when I see no new posts on this board. My posts today are the first in almost TWO WEEKS!

How do I leave a group?
To cancel your membership in a group, go to the group's homepage, click 'edit membership' underneath the group's profile picture, then click 'leave this group.'


This board must be a two-way street!!! People tell me that they come here to get book, movie, or food ideas. (Or they tell me that Facebook takes up all of their time ---grrrr) Is it too much to ask that after you get these ideas, you post here to tell others your reaction, or a movie you saw, or a book you read, or a recipe you tried?

Thanks

JOANN


Carolyn (in SC) C234D | 123 comments I'm reading THE POSTMISTRESS right now for my next local book group meeting. I had purchased it quite a while ago, but held off picking it up once it was chosen for our November read. Kinda funny, I was looking for it one day a few months ago and couldn't find it, then it went onto our book group list. Right after that, I found it just where I had unsuccessfully looked for it earlier. Anyone read it? So far, so good for me (just a few chapters in.)


JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
I have heard good things about The Postmistress. I am sure it is an excellent book, but I have read one too many novels about WW II.

Isn't that frustrating when you find something where you had already looked?


message 4: by Alias Reader (new)

Alias Reader (AliasReader) Carolyn (in SC) C234D wrote: "I'm reading THE POSTMISTRESS right now for my next local book group meeting. I had purchased it quite a while ago, but held off picking it up once it was chosen for our November read. Kinda funny..."
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My library book club read it a few months ago. I read about 50 pages and quit. I found it to be very contrived. The main female character just didn't ring true for me. Maybe I was just in a cranky mood.


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RNOCEAN | 93 comments I just finished "The Night Circus" by Erin Morgenstern and loved it....could not believe it was her debut novel.
I am now reading "The Dovekeepers" by my favorite author, Alice Hoffman...
I tried reading "The Postmistress" but just could not get into it...


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NancyInWI (nanckopf) | 47 comments Well...wow....I guess I should be deleting this group because I don't have time to participate, even if I do read book suggestions.
Maybe if I post what I've read over the past few months I can redeem myself? Probably not.


JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
Nancy/nanckopf wrote: "Well...wow....I guess I should be deleting this group because I don't have time to participate, even if I do read book suggestions.
Maybe if I post what I've read over the past few months I can r..."


Nancy, you DO post here. But there are 200 people who don't and never have. It only takes a couple of minutes to do a post, but many people will not even do that.

No one has any idea how frustrating it is as a moderator to try to keep a board active. Or not even active, but minimally functional.


JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
By the way, I will not be doing the BEST BOOKS of the year any longer. It takes many hours of my time and last year I was begging people to participate. It was a nice thing to have and I did not mind doing it, but not under those conditions. It's a shame that it is ending after 13 years.


Carolyn (in SC) C234D | 123 comments JoAnn/QuAppelle wrote: "By the way, I will not be doing the BEST BOOKS of the year any longer. It takes many hours of my time and last year I was begging people to participate. It was a nice thing to have and I did not mi..."

Sorry to hear this, JoAnn, but it is certainly understandable. There used to be so much more participation on this board, and it was worthwhile making up that list, which many people looked forward to. With fewer posters, the list would not be so significant anymore. Well, things change with time, and we'll just have to adjust. Thanks for doing it for so many years.


message 10: by JoAnn/QuAppelle (new)

JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
Thanks, Carolyn.

I hear people say they do not participate in book groups any more because they are so busy with Facebook. I find this hard to understand, as I do not see that as a replacement for interaction online with a group. My daughter, who does both (group and Facebook) agrees with me. She suggested that people just get caught up in Facebook and spend all their time there. It is all about time allocation, I suppose.


message 11: by RNOCEAN (new)

RNOCEAN | 93 comments I know how you feel JoAnn and I apologize for not participating more than I have. I frequented a board for RNs for several years, made quite a few friends there and had some great conversations online but then it just drifted away and I felt sad. I have several 'forums' now on Facebook but none that are book related. I have to try to participate more here and I promise I will. I always liked the 'flow' of this board the most and will make a sincere effort. Thanks for all that you do!


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JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
Thanks, Charlotte...you are a pal!


message 13: by RNOCEAN (new)

RNOCEAN | 93 comments I received "The Dovekeepers" by Alice Hoffman and then my library hold came in. I am now reading "The Night Strangers" by Chris Bohjalian instead. I like to take my time with any Hoffman novel so I thought I would catch up on my lengthy library holds!!


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Sandi (sandin954) | 211 comments Debut spy novel pulled for plagiarism: Galley Cat story

I am not sure in this age of computers how the author thought he could get away with this though am surprised that a major publisher would let it get this far in the process without catching the problems.


message 15: by JoAnn/QuAppelle (new)

JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
Sandi wrote: "Debut spy novel pulled for plagiarism: Galley Cat story

I am not sure in this age of computers how the author thought he could get away with this though am surprised that a major publisher would ..."


WOW, that takes a lot of moxie!


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RNOCEAN | 93 comments I wonder how they let it get that far!


message 17: by JoAnn/QuAppelle (new)

JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
RNOCEAN wrote: "I wonder how they let it get that far!"

Editors at publishing houses are not really editors any more. They are mostly involved in acquisition. And perhaps not well-read enough to recognize that this was a scam.


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JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
BEST BOOKS OF 2011 - according to Publishers' Weekly

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/be...


message 19: by RNOCEAN (new)

RNOCEAN | 93 comments In the fiction category the only book I found that I had read and liked was The Night Circus. Fiction is what I primarily read. On occasion, I also like biographies and autobiographies.


message 20: by RNOCEAN (new)

RNOCEAN | 93 comments I did manage to finish "The Night Strangers" by Chris Bohjalian (sp) but I didn't really like the book. I loved his other books but this one did not rock my world.


Carolyn (in SC) C234D | 123 comments Alias Reader wrote: "Carolyn (in SC) C234D wrote: "I'm reading THE POSTMISTRESS right now for my next local book group meeting. I had purchased it quite a while ago, but held off picking it up once it was chosen for o..."

My library book club read it a few months ago. I read about 50 pages and quit. I found it to be very contrived. The main female character just didn't ring true for me. Maybe I was just in a cranky mood.

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When all was said and done, I really didn't care much for THE POSTMISTRESS either, Alias. I finished it, but I felt very dissatisfied, as did several other book group members. But there were others who liked it a lot, so.....


message 22: by Alias Reader (last edited Nov 19, 2011 10:25PM) (new)

Alias Reader (AliasReader) Carolyn (in SC) C234D wrote: When all was said and done, I really didn't care much for THE POSTMISTRESS either, Alias. I finished it, but I felt very dissatisfied, as did several other book group members. But there were others who liked it a lot, so..... "
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The group I read it with was my library group. I've skipped the last few months as I didn't like the books selected. I just have very different reading tastes from the group.


message 23: by Sandi (last edited Nov 20, 2011 09:16AM) (new)

Sandi (sandin954) | 211 comments A nice profile of Nora Roberts on the Guardian website: Nora Roberts: The woman who rewrote the rules of romantic fiction.

I remember that she was very active on AOL back in the day though, I must admit, I have never read any of her books.


message 24: by Alias Reader (new)

Alias Reader (AliasReader) Sandi wrote: "A nice profile of Nora Roberts on the Guardian website: Nora Roberts: The woman who rewrote the rules of romantic fiction.
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Thanks for posting the link, Sandi. I'm not a fan, but my sister is. I sent her the link.


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Nancy Beckwith | 35 comments I just finished Alice Hoffman's Dove Keepers. I so wanted to love the book because Hoffman is a big fan of mine but I found it rather tedious and to be truthful, a yawner. The reviews on it are mixed- seems you love it or are disappointed. Oh well, on to Clinton's new one my son bought me for my birthday.


message 26: by R. (last edited Nov 21, 2011 04:17AM) (new)

R. Honey | 142 comments Alias Reader wrote: "Carolyn (in SC) C234D wrote: When all was said and done, I really didn't care much for THE POSTMISTRESS either, Alias. I finished it, but I felt very dissatisfied, as did several other book group m..."

As Joann will tell you,I am a big reader of all things WW2 fiction. I too was very disappointed with The Postmistress.
After 3 book clubs in 11 years I have recently dropped out. It is such a feeling of freedom to be able to read what I want without some other title looming that maybe I did not care for!



message 27: by RNOCEAN (new)

RNOCEAN | 93 comments I have The Dovekeepers and want to wait and read it since I own it. I have several from the library that I want to read first. I have read the reviews as well, Nancy, and I hope I am not disappointed by the book.


message 28: by Alias Reader (new)

Alias Reader (AliasReader) R. wrote: After 3 book clubs in 11 years I have recently dropped out. It is such a feeling of freedom to be able to read what I want without some other title looming that maybe I did not care for! "
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That is very true. On the other hand book groups have greatly expanding my reading horizons. I've read some terrific books that I otherwise would have never given a second glance to. I also enjoy the social part of my f2f groups. So I guess, as in most things, there is a trade off.

R, I too like to read about WW II, though I prefer mostly non fiction. I think the reason I like to read about it is I like to read all things FDR. So the Great Depression and WWII are part of that.

What is your favorite fiction and non fiction book on WWII ?


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RNOCEAN | 93 comments A bit off topic but since this is general conversation, what are your holiday plans?
I plan on spending Thanksgiving with my daughter and her family. We will be having turkey, all the trimmings and a ham as well. I am taking an Italian Cream Almond Cake for my share of the festivities.
My son, who lives in Atlanta, is coming here on the 22nd of December and staying through the 26th! We have great tradition in our family with regard to the holidays. My grandaughter Deana is giving us a new great-grandbaby girl on Dec. 19th or thereabouts (she is being induced). My son will get to meet the new one before heading back to Atlanta.
I love the winter holidays because I love tradition and family getting together. What are your plans?


message 30: by R. (last edited Nov 21, 2011 09:46AM) (new)

R. Honey | 142 comments I have read Resistance by Anita Shreve two times so that is a favorite. I recently read Forbidden Places by English author Penny Vincenzi. A Harlequin Romancy title for a very good read. 3 British woman from 1938 to 1945 and how the war changed their lives. The forbidden places is not alowing themselves to think outside the box prior to the war!
I do like some non fiction about the war. Unbroken is on my TBR list!


message 31: by R. (new)

R. Honey | 142 comments RNOCEAN wrote: "A bit off topic but since this is general conversation, what are your holiday plans?
I plan on spending Thanksgiving with my daughter and her family. We will be having turkey, all the trimmings a..."


Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday as there is no having to buy gifts for pain in the neck people who do not need a thing!
We are 13 this year. The 5 of us and 2 of my kids are bringing boyfriend/girlfriends. My brother,SIL and neice and her b/f and a couple we "date" the most! my husband is doing the turkey,gray,mashed and I will do some other sides. Everybody else is bring things like pre-dinner snacks and pies galore!


message 32: by JoAnn/QuAppelle (new)

JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
Nancy wrote: "I just finished Alice Hoffman's Dove Keepers. I so wanted to love the book because Hoffman is a big fan of mine but I found it rather tedious and to be truthful, a yawner. The reviews on it are m..."

I love Alice too, but this book is so different than what she has ever written....do not know whether I will like it. Kudos to you for finishing it!


message 33: by JoAnn/QuAppelle (new)

JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
R. wrote: "I have read Resistance by Anita Shreve two times so that is a favorite."

I have read it twice also, something I rarely do!


message 34: by Alias Reader (new)

Alias Reader (AliasReader) R. wrote: I do like some non fiction about the war. Unbroken is on my TBR list!
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I read Unbroken. It's an intense read. It's truly amazing the inner strength some people have.


message 35: by Alias Reader (new)

Alias Reader (AliasReader) RNOCEAN wrote: "I love the winter holidays because I love tradition and family getting together
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I love it because of the stuffing ! LOL

In the bird of course. Are you a in the bird stuffing person or out?

I also don't like anything fancy in my stuffing. I like old fashion simple, onion, celery. I don't want fruit or meat in my stuffing.

The Italian Cream Almond Cake sounds amazing, RNOCEAN.


message 36: by RNOCEAN (new)

RNOCEAN | 93 comments I love all kinds of stuffing, my ex father in law used to make an oyster stuffing that was incredible. I don't care whether its baked with the turkey or without and I usually cover it with turkey gravy anyway. I am going to diet for the next 3 days so that I can eat like crazy on Thanksgiving, LOL


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Schmerguls | 240 comments What I Read in December 30 Years Ago (1981)

1677. Politics in Europe: 5 Cases in European Government, edited by Gwendolen M. Carter [&] Alan F. Westin (read 2 Dec 1981) This is a 1965 book containing five articles. While 1965 is a long time ago and I could wish the articles were updated, I found the articles extremely interesting. The first article told of the introduction of commercial TV in Britain, and it was insightful to see how things were done in Britain, though the issue does not seem too portentous. The next article was on deGaulle's amendment to the Constitution to provide for direct election of the President in 1962. DeGaulle clearly did an unconstitutional thing by our standards, and I was intrigued and somewhat shocked by the account. It accentuated to me the settled state of our constitutional law, even though we all know there have been terrific changes--but in the established way, not by the dictate of one man, albeit endorsed by referendum. The third article was on the Spiegel case in West Germany--scary because so different from what we expect. The fourth article was on the Common Market agricultural policy--good as far as it went. What has happened since? The fifth was on Soviet law changes since Stalin. The book whetted my interest in post-World War II history.

1678. In Search of History: A Personal Adventure, by Theodore H. White (read 7 Dec 1981) This is the story of the author's life from 1915, when he was born, to 1963. It is a good book, though only journalism, and I am glad I read it. He graduated from Harvard in 1933 (Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., and Wiley Mayne were classmates!) and went to China. He tells about his time there and the things he told about in Thunder Out of China (read by me 11 Jan 1947) and then of his time in Europe and of his time at Collier's and his time covering the Kennedy campaign. The book is episodic in a way, as autobiography tends to be, and I was not overly impressed. I suppose it is intended to be White's Personal History, a la Vincent Sheean, but my memory of that book--read when I was freshman in college--is that it was better.

1679. Elusive Victory: The Arab-Israeli Wars, 1947-1974, by Colonel Trevor N. Dupuy (read 19 Dec 1981) This book was far too technical. I would have found an account of that time, considering all the factors, far more interesting than this book which spent so much time telling of the forces in each engagement, etc.

1680. Czechoslovakia: Profile of a Socialist Republic at the Crossroads of Europe, by David W. Paul (read 20 Dec 1981) Earlier this year I read two books on Czechoslovakia prior to out trip there. This book is a "profile" of the country written by a University of Washington professor. It is interesting, and indicated to me that we knew the score accurately when we were in the country. It is really sad that Czechoslovakia has been subjected to all that Communist repression.

1681. An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, by John Henry Newman (read 25 Dec 1981) This is the 1845 edition of this famous work. I confess I found it hard to read, and not what I expected. Newman's arguments are not as dependent on reasoned proof as I would like, and I found some of his arguments not overly convincing. He obviously was very well-versed in early Church history--in fact, one wonders where one could learn all he knew, though obviously the books do so exist. This book was written at the time of his conversion, and was revised in 1873. But this version is the 1845 version.

1682. Theological Highlights of Vatican II, by Joseph Ratzinger (read 29 Dec 1981) This is a slight book on Vatican II written by now-Cardinal Ratzinger in 1966. It says some interesting things but I really; was not excessively interested. It seemed to me the book was something no longer the current word on the Council, and yet it obviously was not meant to be historical.


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JoAnn/QuAppelle | 1608 comments Mod
Schmerguls wrote: "What I Read in December 30 Years Ago (1981)

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that is some heavy reading!


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Libyrinths | 57 comments Schmerguls read: Politics in Europe: 5 Cases in European Government, edited by Gwendolen M. Carter [&] Alan F. Westin

That sounds like such an interesting book! Dated though it might have been then (and even moreso now) if I ran across a copy of it, I'd read it! Your comments about DeGaulle's actions and how different our own Constitution is, remind me of the wisdom of our founders wanting to be sure we were a "nation of laws, not of men". And especially not of men like DeGaulle, LOL! Although he had his good points, pain in the rear though he was.

I read a couple of T. White's books (Making of the President, etc.) years ago but never read his autobiog. Nice to read your comments on it.


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