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Cynthia (PandoraPhoebesMom) | 1378 comments 20.7 - I Like Big Books And I Cannot Lie - Dionisia's Task - For Those We Love To Hate
Read a book written from a villain's point of view.

Examples:
The Talented Mr. Ripley
A Clockwork Orange
Darkly Dreaming Dexter

If you need suggestions OR have suggestions for books to read for this task post them here.


message 2: by Kathy G. (new)

Kathy G. | 1722 comments The Collector by John Fowles is really good. I read it years ago. The first half of the book if from the villain's point of view. Would this count for this task?


message 3: by Nicole (new)

Nicole | 960 comments ooh. Cool idea and I always meant to read A Clockwork Orange!


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Liz M Will books about anti-heroes, such as Vanity Fair, work? Or does the third-person narration rule it out, because it is not limited to Becky Sharp?


Elizabeth (Alaska) I think most of the books by Lawrence Block would work for this task. His narrators are both the bad guy and the good guy. However, I'm going to try an author I haven't read before, but about whom I've heard good things and go with The Talented Mr. Ripley by Patricia Highsmith. Thanks! (Lots of crime and sleuthing this summer.)


message 7: by Beth F. (last edited Jun 01, 2010 07:56PM) (new)

Beth F. (quietknitter) | 511 comments I just found a listopia list called "Rooting for the Bad Guy". Obviously can't speak to the appropriateness of everything on the list, but it might be an interesting jumping off point for researching this task.

http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/69...


message 9: by Beth F. (last edited Jun 01, 2010 08:06PM) (new)

Beth F. (quietknitter) | 511 comments Would Perfume: The Story of a Murderer be acceptable? It sounds weird and creepy.


message 10: by Rita (new)

Rita Would Wicked work? It's on that list.


message 11: by Liz (last edited Jun 01, 2010 08:47PM) (new)

Liz Would something like Othello work? So much of it is based on Iago & his schemes.

Or how about The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner: An Eclipse Novella - from the point of view of one of the vampires who is hunting a human.


message 12: by Felina (new)

Felina I'd like to read The Lies of Locke Lamora. Its about a gang of thieves I believe. I've heard its very Ocean's 11-esque. Is that okay?


Elizabeth (Alaska) Beth(MN) wrote: "Would Perfume: The Story of a Murderer be acceptable? It sounds weird and creepy."

That's one on Goodread's "Rooting for the Bad Guy" list, linked above. I'm going to be reading it for another task - the translation one, I think.


message 14: by Cait (last edited Jun 01, 2010 09:50PM) (new)

Cait (caitertot) Kathy wrote: "The Collector by John Fowles is really good. I read it years ago. The first half of the book if from the villain's point of view. Would this count for this task?"

Thank you! I've been wanting to read this for quite some time. ETA: assuming it gets approved, of course.


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Janice CA | 439 comments Awesome idea for a task. I think I'll read I, Lucifer: Finally, the Other Side of the Story by Glen Duncan. It is written from the devil's perspective.

I also highly recommend:A Simple Plan by Scott B. Smith. The bad guy, who narrates, does not start off that way, but.... It is one of my all-time favorite edge of your seat reads.


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Cait (caitertot) Janice wrote: "Awesome idea for a task. I think I'll read I, Lucifer: Finally, the Other Side of the Story by Glen Duncan. It is written from the devil's perspective.

I also highly re..."


I own both of those too! So many choices...


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Sheila (SheilaJ) | 1780 comments I think it is pretty funny that Bill Clinton's book is on the villian list.


message 18: by Megan (last edited Jun 02, 2010 03:14AM) (new)

Megan Anderson (Ms_Anderson) | 1399 comments Since I preordered the Bree Tanner book (yes, I'm in my twenties, why do you ask?), if that's approved, I think I'll be reading it for this task. Otherwise, I'd love to reread I, Lucifer.

I'd also like to take a moment and plug Evil Genius, which is funny in the same way Doctor Horrible is (only without the songs); Artemis Fowl, which is cleverly written; and Good Omens, which is probably one of the most amazing books written in the English language. Ever. Seriously.


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Erin (NY) (erin_p) | 497 comments Would The Winter Rose work? It is in the list above and I have it on my TBR.


message 20: by Jen B (new)

Jen B (jennybee618) Does The Secret History work? It, too, is on the "bad guy" list, but since I've never read it, I'm not sure how bad the bad guy is. :)


message 21: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer D (Booktrovert) Sheila wrote: "I think it is pretty funny that Bill Clinton's book is on the villian list."

That made me laugh too and I wondered if anyone else caught that! :D


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Shannon | 307 comments I see Villette by Charlotte Bronte is on the list - would this work?


message 23: by Liz M (new)

Liz M Shannon wrote: "I see Villette by Charlotte Bronte is on the list - would this work?"

Dionisia has the final say, but I shouldn't think so -- it's in the same vein as Jane Eyre, told from the point of view of Lucy, a school teacher, & the "villian" is "an autocratic schoolmaster."

It's a great book! You should try to fit it in somewhere -- It works for part A of 20.3 (published in 1853), I bet this works for 20.8 - B&N classics, and it will work for 25.2, as an answer to where.


message 24: by El (new)

El So for this task, the story must be told from a first-person perspective?


message 25: by Dionisia (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Kathy wrote: "The Collector by John Fowles is really good. I read it years ago. The first half of the book if from the villain's point of view. Would this count for this task?"

I'll accept it. This sounds interesting!


message 26: by Jennifer (last edited Jun 02, 2010 06:10AM) (new)

Jennifer  (jml_417) How about Helpless: A Novel by Barbara Gowdy? Part of the story is told from Ron's (the villian) perspective.


message 27: by Kathy G. (new)

Kathy G. | 1722 comments Super!!! Thanks


message 28: by Dionisia (last edited Jun 02, 2010 06:22AM) (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Liz wrote: "Will books about anti-heroes, such as Vanity Fair, work? Or does the third-person narration rule it out, because it is not limited to Becky Sharp?"

I had considered including anti-heroes in this task so I will take it on a case by case basis. The line between villain and anti-hero is not so clear cut. It's all so subjective.

Sorry that's a no for Vanity Fair. The book needs to be told from their point of view, not just about them.


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Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments El wrote: "So for this task, the story must be told from a first-person perspective?"

Yes, I want you to get inside their head. The story should be told through the "bad guy"'s eyes. I don't want books that simply feature awesome villainous characters.


Jayme(the ghost reader) (JaymeILtheghostreader) | 2089 comments Game of Thrones was on that list. Kinda surprised. The author is extremely hard on his heroes.


message 33: by Dionisia (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Jayme wrote: "Game of Thrones was on that list. Kinda surprised. The author is extremely hard on his heroes."

Not sure if you planned on reading it but this book would not fit the task.


Jayme(the ghost reader) (JaymeILtheghostreader) | 2089 comments I already read it. I love the series :)


message 35: by Erin (NY) (new)

Erin (NY) (erin_p) | 497 comments How about the rest of the Wicked Series? Son of a Witch


message 36: by Dionisia (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Erin wrote: "How about the rest of the Wicked Series? Son of a Witch"

Sorry, no.


message 37: by Petra (new)

Petra Does Good Omens work for this task?


message 39: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (Ms_Anderson) | 1399 comments Petra wrote: "Does Good Omens work for this task?"

It's from multiple points of view, so I don't think it will...I regret mentioning it x_x


message 40: by Cassandra (last edited Jun 02, 2010 07:24AM) (new)

Cassandra Titus Groan by Mervyn Peake?

This page has a list of books with villain protagonists, but subjectivity and wikis are a bad combination.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php...


message 41: by Dionisia (last edited Jun 02, 2010 07:37AM) (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Some quick responses:

Good Omens - No. You're right, it's not what I'm looking for but I hope you can fit it somewhere else in the challenge.
The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner: An Eclipse Novella - Yes
Titus Groan - No. Thanks for the link! I like the way they explain it.


message 42: by Liz (new)

Liz Dionisia wrote: "Some quick responses:

Good Omens - No. You're right, it's not what I'm looking for but I hope you can fit it somewhere else in the challenge.
[book:The Short Second Life of Bree Tann..."


Wow Dionisia, you're really on top of it. Thanks for the quick response!


message 44: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (HannahtheBlonde) | 98 comments Sci-fi fans might want to check out The Gap into Conflict: The Real Story for this task. The whole point of the novel is that typical villain/victim roles get turned on their heads, but the story does mainly follow the most unsavory character (and gets in his head). I think this fits what Dionisia is looking for.


message 45: by Kim D (new)

Kim D (kdimattia) | 188 comments Does Mirror Mirror work? I know I have it on my shelf at home.


message 46: by Dionisia (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Beth wrote: "Would these work? Prodigal Son
City of Night
Dead and Alive
by Dean Koontz"


Sorry this series does not fit my task. Although you could use them in Donna Jo's Task (25.9) since they were written within the last 5 years.


message 47: by Dionisia (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Hannah wrote: "Sci-fi fans might want to check out The Gap into Conflict: The Real Story for this task. The whole point of the novel is that typical villain/victim roles get turned on their heads, ..."

I'm going to say no to this one.


message 48: by Dionisia (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Kim D wrote: "Does Mirror Mirror work? I know I have it on my shelf at home."

This works!


message 49: by Cassandra (new)

Cassandra What about the Master of Rome Series?
They're by Colleen McCullough.

Sorry about bothering you again.


message 50: by Dionisia (last edited Jun 02, 2010 10:37AM) (new)

Dionisia (therabidreader) | 428 comments Laura wrote: "What about the Master of Rome Series?
They're by Colleen McCullough.

Sorry about bothering you again."


No problem! This series won't work either. If you still want to read something related to the Julio-Claudian dynasty, I would accept a first-person POV from a more notorious leader like Caligula.


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