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Koontz's Many Stand-Alone Novels > Intensity (Group Read - October 2011)

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Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Intensity is one of my favourites from Koontz.
As I've read somewhere on the web, it's the thrill ride of thrill rides; when it comes to his works that don't deal with the supernatual this one is propably the best. (Dark Rivers of the Heart is my second favourite in those).
It focuses basically on two characters - Chyna Shephard and Edgler Foremann Vess, the archetype and opus magnum of all bad guys from Koontz novels. He's just scary; and what's more scary is the fact that he seems so...real. Men like him walk among us, and it's no fiction.
I was really impressed with the writing - the descriptive passages are really well written here. The first page is some of the best writing he ever committed to paper.
Intensity is a book that plays on our worst fears: being followed, being trapped, being hurt and weak, being the last one left alive.
How about you ? What do you think about the book ?


Tom Mueller | 147 comments Koontz' use of dogs in a manner other than benevelent heroes is a switch.
I had to read a review to remind myself about this one; a good indication that I have to put it on my re-read list.
I'll go through it tomorrow and hope to have more relevant comments.


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Trying to redeem yourself and prove to all that you actually very much enjoy some of Koontz's work, eh Mac? ;-)


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Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Yes, they musn't know that I'm...

Besides I always said that the man has written some great books and some that really sucked. You're bound to do that when you release dozens of novels. I think the list of his complete work (including the out of print ones, the early sci-fi and other stuff) would be over 100 titles.




Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Maciek wrote: "Yes, they musn't know that I'm...

Besides I always said that the man has written some great books and some that really sucked. You're bound to do that when you release dozens of novels. I think th..."


You should look for the Intensity movie. I thought it was fairly well-done, but cannot yet compare it to the novel, seeing as I have not yet read it.


Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments I saw parts of the movie on youtube. It's especially intersting since it stars John C. McGinley as Edgler Vess, the main bad guy - he's excellent. And he also plays dr. Cox in my favourite TV show - Scrubs, a completely different character. What a talent.

You should read the book as soon as possbile Jason. It's...intense.


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Maciek wrote: "...You should read the book as soon as possbile Jason. It's...intense."

I will do that. It is Becky's (the girl on goodreads I mentioned to you) favorite Koontz book and I respect both your opinions. :-)


Lori (Barfield) Let me start by saying Dean Koontz has never written a bad book, just varying degrees of good! Me I loved this book, the story was great. Now If I may play devil's advocate for a minute.

Here we have a bad guy, and a good guy. Right? Right. Good guy has to save some one from the bad guy. Right? Right. Good guy does all kinds of stuff to save the girl from the bad guy. Right? Right. The good guy wins in the end. Right? Right.

Now how is Intensity, any different than say, The Good Guy? Somewhat of the same plot, good guy saves girl/boy from bad guy. Only they do it differently.

How can anyone like one, but not the other?




Tom Mueller | 147 comments Lori wrote: " Let me start by saying Dean Koontz has never written a bad book, just varying degrees of good! Me I loved this book, the story was great. Now If I may play devil's advocate for a minute.

Here..."


The in Breathless: A Novel we have a bad guy - or who at least thinks he is - who ends up being a good guy, who destroys the REAL bad guy. I liked that aspect. A very few are all bad, or all good.


Dustin Crazy little brown owl (Dustpancrazy) | 4100 comments Mod
Did you just read Intensity over the weekend Maciek?


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Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Lori wrote: "Somewhat of the same plot, good guy saves girl/boy from bad guy. Only they do it differently. "

See, that's exactly the reason. ;)

The Good Guy is one of his 2/3/4 books a year titles - and it's just bad. So much recycling, so much painful dialogue. The resolution is ridiculous and the evil guy is so over the top that he just can't be taken seriously by any means. I remember reading the detailed sections when he breaks into some house, where he looks at himself and thinks about masturbating into women's underwear. Imagine this: He is going at it when suddenly the owners come home, see him, and he just turns his head around to look at them, his **** in his hand and says: "SUP ?"

Intensity on the other hand has only two characters - and the cat and mouse between them made it all worthwile. As I stated in my first post, Koontz plays on our worst fears: being followed, being trapped, being hurt and weak, being the last one left alive.
It's totally plausible when we think how Joseph Fritzl imprisoned his daughter for years in his basement without anyone knowing, or wanting to know.


Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Dustin wrote: "Did you just read Intensity over the weekend Maciek?"

I've read it some days ago over the course of two days. It's one of his most engrossing novels.


Dustin Crazy little brown owl (Dustpancrazy) | 4100 comments Mod
So, you put aside By The Light of the Moon to read Intensity?


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Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Nope. I've read Intensity first and then re-read By The Light of the Moon - it was a surprisingly fast and enjoyable read. I changed my rating from 2 to 4 stars - I consider it one of his best books from the 00's. It's pure fun, comic-style. I can even close my eyes on the preaching and deus ex machina ending.


Becky (Beckyofthe19and9) Hi guys! I finally joined... How could I not when I click through Maciek's update and see I'm mentioned by name! :)

Jason's right, this is my favorite Koontz novel, by far. I keep trying to get Chris (from the King group) to read it too... I think I'm wearing him down! LOL


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Becky wrote: "Hi guys! I finally joined... How could I not when I click through Maciek's update and see I'm mentioned by name! :)

Jason's right, this is my favorite Koontz novel, by far. I keep trying to get ..."


Yay, Becky's here! I'm sure Chris will read it eventually, as he greatly values your opinions also.


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Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Maciek wrote: "Nope. I've read Intensity first and then re-read By The Light of the Moon - it was a surprisingly fast and enjoyable read. I changed my rating from 2 to 4 stars - I consider it one of his best book..."

What caused such a shift in your view of the book?


Becky (Beckyofthe19and9) Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Yay, Becky's here! I'm sure Chris will read it eventually, as he greatly values your opinions also."

I dunno if he values my opinions all that much, but I am persistent! ;)


Dustin Crazy little brown owl (Dustpancrazy) | 4100 comments Mod
Maciek wrote: "Nope. I've read Intensity first and then re-read By The Light of the Moon - it was a surprisingly fast and enjoyable read. I changed my rating from 2 to 4 stars - I consider it one of his best book..."

I'm really glad to hear you enjoyed both books. You might pass for a devoted Koontz fan after all :-) Good luck convincing Tom!


Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Jason "plasborgma"What caused such a shift in your view on the book? "

I've read it first in translation, which was rather poor - completely flat. When I've read the original I enjoyed it much more.

Dustin wrote: "I'm really glad to hear you enjoyed both books. You might pass for a devoted Koontz fan after all :-) Good luck convincing Tom!

I don't think he can be convinced. Not that I plan to try. :)


Chris  (haughtc) I finished Intensity last night, wrote a review this morning, then joined this group. And now I see that y'all have been talking about me!

Now that was some pretty powerful cosmic energy spent to get me to read that book. I'm impressed.

And yes, Becky. I value your opinion.


Becky (Beckyofthe19and9) And I yours, Awesome One. :D


Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Am I alone in thinking that the opening page of Intensity is one of the best writing Koontz has ever committed to paper ? I mean the section where Vess stands in the knee-high grass, looking at Laura's house. It's just great great great.


Dustin Crazy little brown owl (Dustpancrazy) | 4100 comments Mod
Lori wrote: " Y E S !"

Lori, just wondering :-), should we take your YES! to mean that Maciek is alone in his thinking or were you agreeing on the quality of Dean's writing? :-)


Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Lol Dustin, I was wondering the same thing ! Lori is a riddler.



Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments You both know what she meant. :-P


Dustin Crazy little brown owl (Dustpancrazy) | 4100 comments Mod
Honestly, I didn't know :-) but I'm leaning toward the "YES" referring to the quality of Dean's writing :-) I'm sure she'll be back to verify her meaning.


Lori (Barfield) Sorry to confuse you boys, but I ment YES he stands alone. Koontz has better first lines. :)


Lori (Barfield) The darkness troubles me. I yearn for
the light.
This silence is so deep. I long for voices,
the drumming of the rain, the whistle of wind,
music.
Why are you being so cruel to me? Let me
see. Let me hear. Let me live. I beg of you.
I am so lonely in this bottomless darkness.
So lonely.
Lost.
You think I have no heart. But if I have no
heart, what is this ache? What is this anguish?
If I have no heart, what is it that threatens to
break inside me?

First page (paperback) from Demon Seed. IMO it says so much, and tells so little.


Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Agreed, that's a nice one. It's kind of funny when you realize that it's from the POV of a crazy computer.


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Lori (Barfield) I wasn't going to say, just in case there's people who haven't read it yet. But your right, if the computer had been a man I don't know if the the story would have read as good. Might have to put the computer down as one of the worst villains. ;->

The first page in Intensity is very good as well. I just think this one is better.:)


Dustin Crazy little brown owl (Dustpancrazy) | 4100 comments Mod
Lori wrote: "Sorry to confuse you boys, but I ment YES he stands alone. Koontz has better first lines. :)"

Jason, it's a good thing we got clarification huh? :-)


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Dustin wrote: "Lori wrote: "Jason, it's a good thing we got clarification huh? :-)"

Indeed. :-)


Lori (Barfield) "Indeed" I was right though. The first page in Intensity is good, but the first page in Demon Seed is better. :)


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Lori wrote: ""Indeed" I was right though. The first page in Intensity is good, but the first page in Demon Seed is better. :)"

Opinions can neither be right nor wrong. ;-P


Tom Mueller | 147 comments what if it's Lori's opinion that an opinion [yours:] can be wrong? or right [hers:]?
jk


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Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Jason "plasborgma" wrote:
Opinions can neither be right nor wrong. ;-P"


Mine is right. And if you disagree with me, please remember that http://ucp.totfarm.com/pics/pic_12112...


Tom Mueller | 147 comments Maciek wrote: "Jason "plasborgma" wrote:
Opinions can neither be right nor wrong. ;-P"

Mine is right. And if you disagree with me, please remember that http://ucp.totfarm.com/pics/pic_12112..."


is that you Maciek?


Dustin Crazy little brown owl (Dustpancrazy) | 4100 comments Mod
looks like Nicholas Cage to me :-)


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Maciek wrote: "Jason "plasborgma" wrote:
Opinions can neither be right nor wrong. ;-P"

Mine is right. And if you disagree with me, please remember that http://ucp.totfarm.com/pics/pic_12112..."


That is the best non sequitur ever!


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Tom wrote: "what if it's Lori's opinion that an opinion [yours:] can be wrong? or right [hers:]?
jk"


As Chris from Lightning would say: paradox!


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Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Tom wrote: "is that you Maciek? "

Yeah, just before I received the Academy Award for Leaving Las Vegas.

Dustin wrote: "looks like Nicholas Cage to me :-)"

Who ?


Lori (Barfield) Where's the happy ending, Jason?
"Never give up, never surrender?"


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Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Lori wrote: "Where's the happy ending, Jason?
"Never give up, never surrender?""


Funny you should ask that, because I actually thought a lot about this since then. In the case that Tom suggested, it would not be an opinion. An opinion is a statement about a subjective phenomenon and, therefore, cannot be true or false. Rather, it would a belief, which is a statement about an objective phenomenon and can be true or false. Given this way of thinking, an example of a belief is that the Earth revolves around the Sun, whereas an example of an opinion is that there is insufficient evidence to support the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun (because different people have different opinions about how much evidence is sufficient to support a belief).


Maciek (Pan_Maciej) | 666 comments Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "An opinion is a statement about a subjective phenomenon and, therefore, cannot be true or false"

WRONG


Jason "plasborgma" Cooperrider (plasborgma) | 1298 comments Maciek wrote: "WRONG"

:-P


Tom Mueller | 147 comments Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Maciek wrote: "WRONG"

:-P"


I love this dude - as an actor.


Tom Mueller | 147 comments Dustin wrote: "Good luck convincing Tom! .."

lol - I missed this one.


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