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Patrick (AlexanderSupertramp) | 31 comments OK, so here is is the Watership Down Thread and how it relates to Lost

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Patrick (AlexanderSupertramp) | 31 comments So think the whole theme of the book is summed up in the Chapter "The Departure"

"Before such people can act together, a kind of telepathic feeling has to flow through them and ripen to the point when they all know that they are ready to begin. Anyone who has seen the martins and swallows in September, assembling on the telephone wires, twittering, making short flights singly and in groups over the open, stubbly fields, returning to form longer and even longer lines above the yellowing verges of the lanes-the hundreds of individual birds merging and blending, in a mounting excitement, into swarms, and these swarms coming loosely and untidily together to create a great, unorganized flock, thick at the centre and ragged at the edges, which breaks and re-forms continually like clouds or waves-until that moment when the greater part (but not all) of them know that the time has come: they are off, and have begun once more that great southward flight which many will not survive; anyone seeing this has seen at the work the current that flows (among creatures who think of themselves primarily as part of a group and only secondarily, if at all, as individuals( to fuse them together and impel them into action without conscious thought or will: has seen at work the angel which drove the First Crusade into Antioch and drives the lemmings into the sea."

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Lori (TNBBC) I know the reason this is on the Lost Lit List is due to the fact that Sawyer was seen reading it, but I found the deeper connection to be just survival.

A group of rabbits/people forced to continually survive and dealing with members of the group who want to be or feel they should be the leader (Bigwig/Locke) when the one who is actually looked to as leader (Hazel/Jack)didnt want the leadership role... at first anyway...

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Patrick (AlexanderSupertramp) | 31 comments Maybe I read into it a bit to much. I thought the undertone of the book was what drives the rabbits for survival. Is it instinct or free will?

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Patrick (AlexanderSupertramp) | 31 comments That and Totalitarianism

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Luann (AZbookgal) Wow, Patrick. You really thought deeply about how the book relates. I just thought it related because Sawyer was seen reading it. And then they had the bunny with a number on it, and I was like "Hey, a bunny!" and thinking how funny it was that they had shown Sawyer reading Watership Down. Of course there IS more to it than that. At Lostpedia, they have a nice list of similarities and shared themes:

message 7: by Luann (new)

Luann (AZbookgal) I reread this last month and thoroughly enjoyed it. You can read my review here if you are interested. I got so caught up in the story, I forgot to think about Lost and how it might be related. I'm glad the Lostpedia people keep track of these things so I don't have to think of them all myself. :)

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Echo (EchoGroks) | 8 comments I found a fair number of links between Watership Down and Lost, mainly the social structures mentioned and a few key characters.
The Efrafa warren reflects Ben’s group. They both have this ultimate goal of secrecy and “safety” that supersedes the individuals rights. They are both disciplined and generally effective in their primary goal but when the system is shown to be failing both Ben and the Efrafa’s leader are too set in their ways to adapt. (The Efrara becoming ill and sterile from the unnatural lifestyle and Ben loosing Alex because he cannot surrender.)
I see Fiver’s “intuition” more like spiritual guidance. His first warning to leave Threarah’s warren came to him in a dream and he believed it fully, even with no rational facts to support it. His warning against Cowslip’s warren also came very early, before he had any evidence as to why it was a bad choice. Because of this, Fiver reflects Locke to me. They are ruled by their heart and spirit more than common sense and reality. Both Fiver and Locke influence the group from the sidelines. They do not handle the day to day events of the rabbit’s/people’s lives but when they have something to say, they are generally respected. And when not, are found to be right in the end.
Hazel seems to naturally link to Jack as they are both leaders that did not really want the job. The groups trusted and wanted them to be leaders.
The Threarah’s warren *could* reflect the outside world, that our Lost survivors originated from…but because of their extermination, and only a few scarred survivors making it back to our main characters, I relate them to the Tailies. It is a much looser fit, I will admit.
Well, that is my take on Watership Down in regards to Lost. Let me know what you think.

message 9: by Luann (new)

Luann (AZbookgal) Nice, Echo! You've made some great comparisons.

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