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Gay people in The Hunger Games?

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The Head I thought how gay people were looked at in The Hunger Games book.I thought long and hard about this and I don't think anybody really cares.In desperate times,nobody cares if you're gay.There was also no racial discrimination or gender.So I assume gay people are accepted too.Religion also appears to be absent...

There was this one comment on homosexuality that Katniss brought up in the entire trilogy.Katniss thought Finnick was kissing Peeta and she said it was the most Bizarre thing she ever saw.It made me raise my eyebrow.

So Hunger Games appears to be neutral on everything including gender and race.So are gay people accepted too?


Gabby Sorry, I don't follow.


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I think when Katniss saw Finnick 'kissing' Peeta, she was surprised by the fact that he could be bisexual and had always come across as straight. OR homosexuality is uncommon talk among teens because they're too worried about being picked to fight in The Hunger Games to be concerned with sexual orientation. Parents probably only go into relationships as far as "when a mommy and daddy love each other..." guys kissing guys and girls kissing girls would be a totally new notion. If you were in Katniss' situation, would you think it was bizarre?
I think it was all just due to a lack of knowledge or thought.
I don't think it's a matter of 'acceptance', rather a matter of really not caring unless you can afford to worry about such things.


John Hennessy You have to put yourself in Katniss' position. It was a strange scene if you take it out of the context of which it was in. This was no bedroom scene. This was played out under the spotlight of Capitol.

For what it's worth, I understand how Finnick is such a hero to female readers. The fact he would do this for Peeta is a very courageous thing to do. But in the context of The Hunger Games, it was the right thing to do.

Katniss' opinion is irrelevant at that point. Afterwards it became clear what was happening.

As Starhyphen says, teens admitting they are gay or lesbian would be hard enough. Ine the context of a nightmare like the Hunger Games, Katniss would be like 'what the ****? We are starving, being threatened with death every second and two guys make out?'

No, Katniss is too smart for that, but it doesn't mean she's perfect. If she thinks it is bizarre, that's just her opinion. It's an interesting point that you raise, nonetheless.


Jeni I think in a world as technologically advanced as the one in the book, regardless of the dystopian nature and setting, it is naive to think there are no same-gender relationships. After all, same-gender couples have been around as long as mankind.

As for Katniss regarding it as bizarre, it probably just took her by surprise. Mostly likely because she doesn't much think about kissing anyone.


Zhanaestilinski When did Finnick "kiss" Peeta? I don't remember that...


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Hec Hernandez He wasnt kissing him finn was trying to save peta by doing mouth to mouth to save him so he wont die


Shirley TEAM KATNISS/JOANNA (haha)


Madeleine I think Finnick was hired as a male lover in the Capitol for men and women. District 12 didn't seem like a place where homosexuality was prevalent. the capitol I'm sure had a lot of sexuality, like upper class ancient Roman culture, while the poorer districts were more conservative. Like, there were laws about marrying before a certain age (this was mentioned because they wanted to change the laws for Peeta and Katniss) But the capitol hosted promiscuity and sexual freedom. So no, there is a lack of representation of openly gay characters, but it did exist in the world. Poor Finnick was forced into it usually.


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The Head Somebody do bisexual Finnick fan-fic.


Mia Ozera It's probably somewhat strange - as in unusual - for the people in the Districts, because they spend more time worrying about their lives and surviving and no one really wants to even talk about relationships of any kind - look at Katniss, who was absolutely scared of the prospect of gettimg married. So I don't think it was much of a problem, it just wasn't discussed.
But it's probably an okay thing in the Capitol; I don't think it was mentioned anywhere but I think that Finnick had had some male lovers too (wanted it or not, because I personally think he was straight) and nobody thought it was weird.


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No one's gay. She thought Finnick was kissing Peeta because she didn't understand what CPR was. That's all there is to it.

Finnick married Annie and they had a kid.


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Olivia emma wrote: "No one's gay. She thought Finnick was kissing Peeta because she didn't understand what CPR was. That's all there is to it.

Finnick married Annie and they had a kid."


dont remeember that in the book.(what is in diff book in same series?)


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That was in the last book after Finnick died and Katniss was explaining what happened.


Daniel Umm... who cares? I think you're looking a little too far into this. haha


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Vee Gretzinger Daniel wrote: "Umm... who cares? I think you're looking a little too far into this. haha"

hahah agreed... like, really? does everyone have to depict the smallest things?


Alexis Alcala ya know what, i think everyone should be accepted. Gay, straight, bisexual, boy, girl, transgender, everything and every flaw should be erased. #really deep #meaningful


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Nichola I think when a society has something like the hunger games to worry about, most other things would be put into perspective.


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Olivia Nichola wrote: "I think when a society has something like the hunger games to worry about, most other things would be put into perspective."

yea i guess it all depends on how diff ppl look at diff things..


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Mochaspresso I think you are right to a certain extent. In Panem, there are no divides among race, gender, religion or sexual orientation. The only existing divide seems to be Capitol vs. Districts and District vs District. On the attitudes toward homosexuality, I don't think she understood what Finnick was doing (cpr). Other than that, I suspected that Cinna might be gay but the book doesn't specifically give that impression nor does it have any bearing on his character. In the districts, people seem to have more important things to worry about...like survival against starvation in the districts and surviving the games. In the Capitol, people are so over the top eccentric and indulgent that anything seems to be a go. I'm guessing that this probably includes homosexuality.


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Kirby I found it odd that Katniss had no clue what CPR was.


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Thom Rockcliffe Hi, believe it or not I signed up to post this comment after stumbling over this thread online, anyway here goes.

In regards to the specific scene which is in "Catching Fire" where Finnick performs CPR on Peeta. I believe that the bizarre aspect for Katniss was that Finnick a relative stranger and ultimately an opponent in a fight to the death (in her view) would kiss Peeta's corpse, especially given the fact that Peeta had only just died.

In regards to homosexuality in the "Hunger Games" trilogy in general, it is very simple it doesn't feature, though it is implied that sexuality doesn't really exist as an issue in the Capitol, and everyone in the districts is too busy staying alive to care who is shacked up together.

On a personal note I think Cinna was probably gay, but then that may just be me.

Katniss not knowing what CPR is isn't that odd really considering the fact that the only television is propaganda and therefore unlikely to include hospital dramas and education and information is heavily restricted by the government so unless they wanted CPR to be common knowledge it wouldn't be - given the callous nature of the government this is not likely, especially given Katniss' comments on this that usually in the mines people are very dead before they can be taken to anyone with any medical knowledge.


Atlantic Gem Thom wrote: "Hi, believe it or not I signed up to post this comment after stumbling over this thread online, anyway here goes.

In regards to the specific scene which is in "Catching Fire" where Finnick perform..."


Well, welcome to Goodreads then.


Katie I'm really glad Suzanne Collins didn't put a gay person in The Hunger Games. It just would've ruined the story...like Rick Riordan did in Percy Jackson.


Aitziber Thom wrote: "Katniss not knowing what CPR is isn't that odd really considering the fact that the only television is propaganda"

Katniss knows that CPR is because her mother is pretty much District 12's medic. She specifically comments, in that scene, that she knows what CPR is from her mom, but that her mom barely ever has a chance to do it because by the time patients are brought to her, CPR is useless.

Katniss was in shock and not thinking right, that's why she interpreted Finnick's actions as his kissing Peeta.

As for gay characters, I don't think Suzanne Collins was interested in alienating the kind of readers who'd put down a book if a LGBT character heavily featured, like Katie up there. This isn't a complimentary comment on Ms Collins. But given that Finnick was an escort for both males and females, we can infer that Snow was more interested in destroying Victors' dignities than in persecuting homosexuality.


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Patrick Featherstone I think the LGBT community were generally underrepresented in the trilogy. I agree that Cinna was probably gay, but that is largely deduced by the life choices he has taken and the gold eyeliner, which is probably quite a homophobic assumption on my part. I expect Collins neglected it because she didn't feel confident in her position. I seems like thoughtless omission rather than deliberate. I also think it's a shame to assume that teen readers would ditch the trilogy half way though if they suddenly stumbled upon a gay character or two. (What about gay teen readers who struggle to find characters to identify with?)

The films chose to represent characters as black who hadn't been described as so in the book, which seems a really good decision, as it would instantly be noticed and criticised if the black community were underrepresented. It's just a shame that both author's character list and subsequently the director's characterisation fail to feature any gay characters amongst what is a enormous cast.

User:Mochaspresso, I know that the district folk have lots of pressing things to worry about, but those books really do spend a lot of time exploring Katness's sexuality and personal feelings and it's still an oversight to think that gay people are not going through it just because they're lumped with everyone else in their district in being oppressed by the state.

More importantly sexual freedom is a liberty that is so often stripped from countries under despotic rule. It's a relevant issue in the modern world. Russia's catastrophic homophobic legislation is increasing while in contrast Iran is easing its social/civil liberties to be granted relief from international sanctions. If Collins' wants to depict a realistic dystopian state, it would be an oversight to ignore the enormous trend for homophobia that dictatorships often instil as part of their state control.


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Anfenwick I'm kind of interested by the idea that in terrible times issues like sexuality, race and so on become unimportant. I'm not sure that history bears this out. At all.

On the other hand, Hunger Games isn't history, it's a fictional world constructed by Collins and I'm not at all sure she even had a clearly defined role for race and same-sex relationships.

I think tacitly, her world is one in which heterosexuality may be displayed publicly in certain circumstances, it's the foundation of publicly visible domestic and economic units. And then, a lot of it goes on privately. You only see it when she takes you into those characters intimate lives. Homosexuality always goes on privately and doesn't have that public dimension. Consequently, she doesn't have to show any. It's not at all a progressive situation, obviously, even it does 'just happen' to resemble our own society until quite recently. But then, the world of the Hunger Games is not a very progressive one.

It's interesting that she manages to assume a mostly post-racial and post-gender-inequality society. I can actually believe in a theoretical post-racial society without too much trouble, but I have a hard time believing gender equality can survive horrifically dystopian conditions and a will to exploitation on the part of an autocratic state.


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Patrick Featherstone I agree Anne, it's pretty unlikely to be overlooked by a dictatorship that relies on nuclear families to choose anything but hetero-normative formatting. When Plutarch is wistful about clones and other weapons in Earth's history of war, Katness muses about a 'moral squeamishness' that is greater in her world than in our current one which restricts the production of harsher weapons. I wonder if our gender politics are locked in time and will in the future be looked at as squeamishness.

I guess it's hard to decide when to imagine intricacies of Collins' universe and when to question what she left out. Personally I don't search through all books expecting gay representation but it did seem noticeable in this trilogy that there are loads of characters, and an ambitious coverage of different subcultures but while Katness is developing her own sexuality/hormonal feelings, there is not a glimmer of anything other than heterosexuality in her entire universe, even though we seem to agree that she had a fabulous gay best friend in Cinna...


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Kevin Matthews Collins deliberately avoided mentioning the genders of the people Finnick was having affairs with (or was forcibly prostituted to). It's very hard to believe that he was not being prostituted mostly to men. In Catching Fire, Katniss mentions that "people" in the audience thought Finnick was talking about "them" during his flirtatious interview. The fact that she didn't explicitly narrate that "women" were swooning over Finnick is affirmative, but tacit, acknowledgment of homosexual relations in the Capitol. Katniss's beautician Flavius was clearly an effeminate gay man. Katniss's neutral reaction to both Flavius and to Finnick's would-be male lovers seems to indicate that homosexuality is viewed neutrally in Panem: it's there, it's accepted, but not publicly discussed much. I guess that Collins and her editors decided to exclude any direct mention to homosexuality for marketing reasons.


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