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message 42: by Antoinette (new)

1341705 Michele wrote: "* Guy Gavriel Kay's Fionavar trilogy (first one is The Summer Tree) - excellent retelling of numerous folk tales and myths tied into one story; this man has done his research!"

FYI: Guy Gavriel Kay's A Song for Arbonne was really good.


message 41: by Antoinette (new)

1341705 Great topic! There are a lot of books mentioned that I'll have to add to my list!

My take:
I don't recommend Ann Rice's retelling of Sleepy Beauty. Written under the pseudonym A.N. Roquelaure, it's actually a trilogy (book 1 is The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty) that recasts the Sleeping Beauty tale as an S&M/erotic story. I don't have anything against erotica, and there's actually a school of literary theory regarding fairy tales and their sexual themes/warnings/euphemisms, but to me, it wasn't erotic, just bad.

Also, although it's not Sci/Fi, I would recommend Transformations, Anne Sexton's book of poetry retelling the fairy tales from a feminist and contemporary (1970s) perspective.

In addition to Stardust and American Gods, I would also recommend Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere which I took to be a contemporary version of Alice in Wonderland, except with a male protagonist.

Mercedes Lackey has also done some retellings of fairy tales although I can't recommend any per se because I haven't read them.

Also for mythology fans I recommend Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Firebrand, the story of the Trojan War told through the eyes of Cassandra, Paris' twin sister.

On a somewhat related topic, for Arthurian legend fans I highly recommend Persia Woolley's Guinevere Trilogy that begins with Child of the Northern Spring. I seem to be the one person in the world that *hated* The Mists of Avalon.


message 40: by Miranda (new)

3052195 For fairy tales, I love The Rose and The Beast Fairy Tales Retold by Francesca Lia Block and Enchantment by Orson Scott Card. I also remember liking a book where the story of Briar Rose was woven into a story about a girl's grandmother who was a prisoner at Auschwitz, but I don't remember who it was by. Endicott Studio's Journal of Mythic Arts has a slew of great poetry and short fiction inspired by fairy tales. Neil Gaiman also has good fairy-tale-inspired work: my favorites are Snow, Glass, Apples, The Troll Bridge (both of those are found in Smoke and Mirrors Short Fictions and Illusions), and The Hidden Chamber (found in Fragile Things Short Fictions and Wonders). The latter is probably my favorite; it's a heartbreaking poem depicting Bluebeard's side of the fairy tale.

If you're into mythology as well, definitely check out American Gods. It's brilliant.


message 39: by Miriam (new)

237469 There's a new kids' book out by Neil Gaiman, called Odd and the Frost Giants. It is based on norse legends.


message 38: by Werner (new)

903390 A couple of Tanith Lee's books were already mentioned above; but another worthwhile one in this vein that hasn't been cited is her story collection Red as Blood. (I gave it four stars when I reviewed it.)


message 37: by Sara (new)

1183399 I'm really surprised that Gail Carson Levine isn't on this list. I loved Ella Enchanted, but Fairest was SOO much better. She has a ton of stories based on fairy tales with a modern twist. (sorry for the lateness of this test)


message 36: by Allison (new)

803804 I've now read both Deerskin and Spindle's End by McKinley - I heartily agree that Deerskin is dark. It is also told in a more traditional fairytale "voice" than many other modern retellings. I enjoyed Spindle's End better ... partly because it wasn't as dark, and partly because I didn't feel as distanced by it and the way the story was told.

Another suggestion I'd like to make is Sharon Shinn's The Shapechanger's Wife. I honestly don't have much background in fairytales - I don't know if it is a retelling of a true fairytale or not, but I think you'll agree that it has much the same feel. Definitely worth a quick read, either way.


message 35: by Delanie (new)

873810 While I generally love everything McKinley's written, "Deerskin" is pretty dark. I know it's a retelling of an old story, but it still really made me want to throw up. I'm an absolute proponent of Angela Carter's Bloody Chamber, fantastic, wonderful, amazing (like everything she does)! Tam Lin by Pamela Dean, somebody mentioned that...the fairytale part of it really only comes out in probably the last 50 pages, but it is well written.


message 34: by Jauranna (new)

869858 I've been reading Mercedes Lackey for, oh, probably about 15 years now. She's one of my all time favorite authors. The Fairy Godmother only came out in the last few years, but it rocketed up to my number one favorite book by her as soon as I read it. My second favorite by her would have to be The Fire Rose. It should technically be the first Elemental Masters book, although every time I see that series listed, it isn't on there. They always show Gates of Sleep as the first in the series. Oh well. ::shrug::


message 33: by Janis (new)

351830 Jauranna, I enjoyed The Fairy Godmother series too :)


message 32: by Allison (new)

803804 I'm currently reading Deerskin by McKinley ... I probably wouldn't have picked it up if it wasn't for this discussion thread - despite the fact I've thoroughly enjoyed everything else I read by McKinley! Thanks!


message 31: by Jauranna (new)

869858 Okay, you HAVE to read The Fairy Godmother by Mercedes Lackey. You will love it, because it has all sorts of classic fairy tale elements in it. It's the first in the 500 kingdoms series, the next is One Good Knight, and then Fortune's Fool. This series contains kind of a mixture of fairytales. The first one has Cinderella plus elements of your traditional "three brothers go on a quest and the first two fail and the youngest one gets the princess" tale. Plus others. One Good Knight has the Greek myth of Andromeda plus St. George and the Dragon. The third has a bit of The Little Mermaid, plus Russian and Japanese mythology.

She also has the Elemental Masters series. It has retellings of Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Cinderella, and the last one is harder to define, I guess part The Little Princess and part the Snow Queen. The books are Fire Rose, Gates of Sleep, Serpent's Shadow, Phoenix and Ashes, and the Wizard of London.

I could list more, because I am also a huge fan of retold fairy tales, but I'll stick with these for now.


message 30: by deleted member (new)

Terri Windling is a genius. The Wood Wife is an underrated classic and her art taps into the mythic sub strata better than any I can think of.
Google her art and weep. Though I'm sure the site that Readhead recommended has images too.


message 29: by Janis (new)

351830 Just put them on my "to-read" list Readhead, thanks!


message 28: by Carl (new)

49620 Just a quick note about www.fables.org-- the section on fairy tales ("The Crown and Thistle Inn") is only literary retellings of fairy tales, often times with quite a few liberties taken-- which is fine, as long as I don't end up finding any of my students using the fables account of the binding of Fenrir in a paper!
By the way, does any one out there know why Fables ended up stopping? They were supposed to come out with a best of collection in 2005 (and my story was going to be in it!) but then they stopped putting up new issues with Winter 2004, and I've never been able to find any info on what happened ever since.


message 27: by Georgia (new)

874084 I second the comic book "Fables".

If you like animal myths, "Buffalo Gals" by Ursula Le Guin and "Anansi Boys" by Neil Gaiman are both very good

"Stardust" by Neil Gaiman is also good. It's a fairytale, but it's not a re-telling of a specific fairytale.

Also, more on the young adult fiction side, I really enjoyed "The Rose and the Beast" by Francesca Lia Block.


message 26: by Shiloh (new)

670730 I just started reading the comic book series 'Fables' yesterday! I like it lots.


message 25: by Ainsley (new)

626832 Just wanted to say thank you to Carl who directed me to the website of www.fables.org. What a wonderful resource!

Re: the original question, have you read Aesop's fables recently (not the kids version, say, the Penguin Classics version)? It's a lot darker than I remember, and it's full of 'morals'that seem quite antiquated i.e. Know your place in life, Don't try to step beyond your station, etc.

Hope this helps.



message 24: by Tina (new)

413013 If you're interested in a satirical, dry-humorous retelling, try James Finn Garner. He wrote Once Upon a More Enlightened Time, and Politically Correct Bedtime Stories.

My favorite story is "Sleeping Persun of Better Than Average Attractiveness"


message 23: by Janis (new)

351830 Lisa, I've got Daughter of the Forest on my to-read list, so it's good to see someone recommend it :)


message 22: by Lisa (new)

820074 You should try reading the Sevenwaters Trilogy by Juliet Marillier (Book 1 is Daughter of the Forest)
Fabulous retelling of the story about the seven brothers turned into swans who can only return to human for if their sister knits them sweaters of nettles.


message 21: by Michele (last edited Jan 18, 2008 03:32PM) (new)

800824 This is a favorite genre of mine as well. Good ones to get:

* Tales from the Sisters Grimmer by Tanith Lee - wonderful retellings that twist the stories into a new form without losing any of their classic punch

* Almost anything by Charles de Lint - many of his works have fairy tale elements though the story as a whole may not be a retelling

* Terri Windling and Ellen Datlow have edited a series of books with retold fairy tales. Offhand I recall "Ruby Slippers, Golden Tears," "Black Heart, Ivory Bones," "Silver Birch, Blood Moon," "Black Thorn, White Rose," but there are others.

* Guy Gavriel Kay's Fionavar trilogy (first one is The Summer Tree) - excellent retelling of numerous folk tales and myths tied into one story; this man has done his research!

* Beauty, by Sheri S. Tepper

* The Sleeping Beauty trilogy by A. N. Rocquelaure (actually Anne Rice) - this is a seriously erotic retelling of S.B.

* Transformations, by Anne Sexton - fairy tales retold in unusual form

* The website http://library.campbellhall.org/secondar... has a great list of retold fairy tales in all kidns of genres and formats

* For a scholarly look at the variations of a single fairy tale, see "Cinderella: 345 variants" by Marian Cox


message 20: by Janis (new)

351830 I just finished The Storyteller's Daughter: A Retelling of "The Arabian Nights" by Cameron Dokey. Loved it.


message 19: by Shannon (new)

395599 I haven't read it all yet, but Angela Carter's Book of Fairy Tales is wonderful.


message 18: by Carl (new)

49620 If anyone is foolhardy enough to try to read an 800 page academic book on fairy tales in their rural context, I would suggest Bengt Holbek's "Interpretation of Fairy Tales"-- focuses on Danish fairy tales, but the conclusions are pretty widely applicable across Europe. As for non-european fairy tales, I believe there is a debate about whether or not the "fairy tale" or "märchen" as a genre exists outside of Europe and Russia, but that mean being really nitpicky about what exactly we mean by "fairy tale", and certainly a lot of tale-types and motifs are found around the world (I think Cupid and Psyche, Cinderella/Ashboy, and the Swan Maiden, are the most widespread, with variations of course).
I just remembered, Kvideland and Sehmsdorf (sp?) have a collection of Scandinavian Fairy Tales out which is organized as a sampling of the repetoires of specific story tellers which were interviewed by collectors back in the heyday of folklore collecting-- a cool way to do it, but I don't know if I can wholeheartedly recommend their work, as my professor has complained about their sloppy work in the past.
Okay, sorry for the academic stuff! I know that's not what the thread was supposed to be about. As far as old school literary retellings of fairy tales, has anyone recommended Andrew Lang's books yet? And did William Morris do some of that?


message 17: by TDF Pamela (new)

86806 If you're interested in reading the "original" fairy tales in their various versions as well as some modern retellings plus essays on them, try Maria Tatar's The Classic Fairy Tales. I picked it up for a class when I was working on my BA; it's a wonderful resource and a fascinating read.


message 16: by Rindis (new)

145461 There is also The Firebird by Mercedes Lackey, which is based on a Russian fairy tale. It has pacing problems, but is good.

There is also Charles Vess' Ballads and Sagas which has seen a few graphic novel collections (though I haven't managed to keep up with what has been done). Vess is a wonderful illustrator, and is going directly off the originals (well, as directly as anything can be, when it starts as oral tradition).

The Oz books were considered 'modern fairy-tale' when they came out, and I consider (and highly recommend) Crilley's Akiko series as 'modern Oz', though it does not have any actual fairy-tale trappings.


message 15: by Carla (new)

77161 Carter's works are some of my all time favorite. She offers a postmodern, feminist retelling of fairy tales/fables. The Bluebeard story is fantastic but her version of Beauty and the Beast is my favorite.


message 14: by Carla (new)

77161 There are about 7 or 8 trade paperback collections of this graphic. They are fantastic! Start with "Fables: Legends in Exile"




message 13: by Janis (new)

351830 Blayre, just FYI, I just added A Wolf at the Door: and Other Retold Fairy Tales edited by Terri Windling to my "to-read" list.



message 12: by Janis (new)

351830 You're welcome! Let us know what you think if you read others. :)


message 11: by Rachael (new)

706494 Ones I've already read:
Beauty by Mckinley- I loved it- it's one of my favorite books!
The STorytellers Daughter- Dokey- I enjoyed it. but not a favorite...
Beauty Sleep- ditto
Spindle's End- Mckinley- not bad
Thank you so much for all the suggestions!


message 10: by Janis (last edited Dec 30, 2007 06:23AM) (new)

351830 I'll second Briar Rose by Jane Yolen. Loved it. Although this story isn't fairy-tale like itself, if that's not what you're looking for.

Other retold fairy tales:

Midnight Pearls by Debbie Viguié (a take on "The Little Mermaid"). Didn't blow me away, but it was enjoyable.
The Nightingale by Kara Dalkey. Read by don't really remember
Snow White and Rose Red by Patricia C. Wrede. Read by don't really remember
Tam Lin by Pamela Dean. Read by don't really remember
Beauty: A Retelling of the Story of Beauty and the Beast by Robin McKinley. Read by don't really remember
Jack of Kinrowan: Jack the Giant-Killer and Drink Down the Moon by Charles de Lint. Read by don't really remember
The Perilous Gard by Elizabeth Marie Pope (inspired by "Tam Lin") One of my favorites.

Not retellings, but fairy-tale like:

The Fairy Godmother: A Tale of the Five Hundred Kingdoms by Mercedes Lackey. I enjoyed it, thought it's fun.

Stardust by Neil Gaiman. One of my favorites

Shadow Castle by Marian Cockrell (this one is a children's story) One of my favorites

on my "to-read" list:

The Storyteller's Daughter: A Retelling of "The Arabian Nights" by Cameron Dokey. Has gotten good reviews, I've just started it, and like it so far.

Fitcher's Brides by Gregory Frost. "A tale of Bluebeard".
Before Midnight: A Retelling of "Cinderella" by Cameron Dokey
The Night Dance by Suzanne Weyn. Based on "The 12 Dancing Princesses"
The Rose Bride: A Retelling of "The White Bride and the Black Bride" by Nancy Holder
Water Song: A Retelling of "The Frog Prince" by Suzanne Weyn
White As Snow by Tanith Lee
Sunlight and Shadow by Cameron Dokey. Based on "The Magic Flute"
Snow: A Retelling of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" by Lynn Tracy
Beauty Sleep: A Retelling of "Sleeping Beauty" by Cameron Dokey
Golden: A Retelling of "Rapunzel" by Cameron Dokey
Winter Rose by Patricia A. McKillip
Deerskin by Robin McKinley. Based on Perrault's "Donkeyskin"
Spindle's End by Robin McKinley. (Sleeping Beauty)




message 9: by Hugh (new)

152609 Angela Carter's The Bloody Chamber is classic -- especially the title story, which is a retelling of Bluebeard. Also Kelly Link's story "Travels With the Snow Queen," in her first book, Stranger Things Happen.


message 8: by Carl (new)

49620 Honestly, Lewis' "Till We Have Faces" doesn't feel much like a fairy tale in any case, so maybe I shouldn't have recommended it. And it has a very different feel from the Chronicles of Narnia, so no surprise if you liked one and not the other.


message 7: by Rachael (new)

706494 I greatly respect CS Lewis and enjoy his writing style- I've actually read his Cupid and Psyche story.I did not like that at all- I think it was too "out there" for me. I couldn't appreciate all the symbolism. Actually, the only book I've ever read by him and really loved was the Chronicles of Narnia, but I think he's still my favorite author. I don't even pretend to amke sense....


message 6: by Caroline (new)

244267 The Goose Girl by Shannon Hale is a good one to read--she's done a few others, as well, if you enjoy that one. I think The Goose Girl and Book of a Thousand Days are the only ones of hers that are actually based off of fairy tales, but the others are really worth reading, too!

Patricia A. McKillip is also a good author, although to my knowledge she's only done one re-writing of a fairy tale (Winter Rose). All of her books have a magical, fairy tale feel to them and are really enjoyable.


message 5: by Alfonso (last edited Dec 28, 2007 11:47PM) (new)

53674 Blayre, try The Last Wish (Gollancz S.F.)
you'll love it.


message 4: by Carl (new)

49620 A few years ago I published a story at www.fables.org in their section for retellings of fairy tales and legends. I can't vouch for the quality of each peice, but there were some good ones there (but not all technically meet the requirements of a "fairy tale"). Unfortunately that website apparently went under back in 2004 or so, but they still have their archives online. Don't have any other sources for retellings coming to my head at the moment-- though there is always CS Lewis' retelling of the Cupid and Psyche myth (which is also a tale type found in fairy tales around the world), as well as Dennis McKiernan's retelling of the Scandinavian equivilant of the "supernatural husband" story-- might have been called a Winters Tale or something like that (though that's also the name of a book by Mark Helprin, I think). But I've hated the two books I tried reading by McKiernan, and haven't read the fairy tale one, so can't really recommend it.


message 3: by King Dinösaur (new)

610692 There is a comic book series called "Fables" that's really cool. They just issued their first hardback graphic novel.


message 2: by Tani (new)

Nophoto-f-25x33 I really enjoyed Briar Rose by Jane Yolen and Enchantment by Orson Scott Card, which are both retellings of Sleeping Beauty.


message 1: by Rachael (new)

706494 I joined this group because I enjoy retellings of fairytales, and this wa sthe closest group I could find for that on this site. Does anyone have any recomendations?


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