RE: [TheoryOfEverything] Tony Bermanseder look at this one/The NEW Lisi Paper

Tony, I really need your help on this one:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0711...

Am I correctly reading this as the quark spinors being a harmonic of the electron spin frequency?

Fitz



Hi Fitz!

Well Lisi is definitely on the right track with the E8 Lie Group and the octonion symmetry. The universe reduces (or begins to manifest) to mathematical abstraction first; then emerges a holographic principle in manifesting a metric background as a 4D-flat Minkowski spacetime and thirdly energizes this background in quantizing and magnifying those elementary quantum geometric templates.

As said before this is well studied and underpins heterotic superstring theory. My point is, that the 'missing' particles and connections of this supergeometry derived in the above link (many pictures of the E 8 symmetry are 2D mapped there) always engage this 8-symmetry.

For example the 57 dimensions are of course 56+1 and the 240 are 30x8 and so forth. I am in no manner capable to explain the Lisi paper to you,; my technical expertise on the symbolism is inadequate for that; but I can simplify the structure a little.

You have 8 gluons, which I reduce to just one (or two for spin chirality) in not labelling the gluons as 1,2,3,..8, but allowing a geometric trisection (this is the triune labelling in the Lisi paper) of a minimum geometric circle say.
Then there are 8 colour permutations, which we may label as E=mc^2 for B(lack) in inertial mass and as E=hf for W(hite) in gravitational or photonic mass: mc^2=BBB; BBW; BWB; WBB; WWB; WBW; BWW and WWW=hf.

So the gluonic eigenstates become eigenstates of gluonic quantum geoemtry and are one of the 8 vertex lines in the Lisi E8 model say generalised.

Then you have precisely 8 diquark families: {U=uu; D=dd; S=ss; b=ud; m=us; t=ds}
UP/DOWN Level: uu(bar); ud(bar); du(bar) are PIONS about 150 MeV;
STRANGE Level: us(bar) and su(bar) are KAONS about 490 MeV;
CHARM Level: Uu(bar) are the semistates for the J/PSI's of so 1600 MeV (see pentaquarks);
BEAUTY Level: bu(bar); b(bar)u are the semistates for the UPSILONS at so 5200 MeV;
MAGIC Level: mu(bar); m(bar)u are the (suppressed) semistates for EPSILONS at 17100 MeV;
DAINTY Level: Dd(bar); D(bar)d are the (suppressed) semistates for OMICRONS at 56000 MeV;
TRUTH Level: td(bar); t(bar)d are the semistates for the KOPPAS at 183000 MeV;
SUPER Level: Ss(bar); S(bar)s are the suppressed semistates for the HIGGS/CHIS at 597000 MeV.

There is a quark singlet in the Charm a quark doublet in the Beauty/Magic and a quark triplet in the Dainty/Truth/Super with ony the Charm, the Beauty and the truth manifesing.

So the Lisi paper derives this elementary symmetry in technical detail using quantum field theory and the 4D metric.
Now the interesting thing is that once one eliminates this metric, then one gets a demetricated background of the quantum foam or the quantum lattice connections of Smolin and Ashtekar say.

So the pieces fit in in my statement of reducing the physics to quantum geometry and ending in say algorithms of binary code of the opening and closing of superstring as say the 'Planck-Connectors'.

So one must by necessity arrive at some complex geometry symbolising this in the observed natural phenomena.

Your idea of quarks spinning harmonically with electrons holds, but only superfically or peripherally.

Once one reduces everything to chirality in 26(x7) dimensions of a Bosonic String (this is also in the Lisi paper) and then allows chiralities to enter in defining various superstring scenarios in classes; then this E(8x8) structure emerges for a class E(8x8) in modular duality with the other classes: Planck/I; Monopole/IIB; XL-Boson/HO(32); E-Boson(Cosmic Ray Ankle)/IIA and materialising wormhole EpsEss/HE(64).

Visi basically rewrites the Standard Model symmetries in an extended form, which imo incorporates the 'missing' diquarks outlined above (I labeled the Dainty, Magic and Super and the Omicron, Epsilon and Koppa and Higgs/Chi, the others are standard).

Also this unification of the gauges (in say Lisi's incorporation of the Einstein tensors) in the action terms so also can be seen in geometric terms. Lisi basically allows mass to become absolved in say extended action in coupling the classical geometry of Einstein with geometry of quantums using 240, 57-1, 57+1 and 7x26=182 dimensions to embed the 3+1 spacetime as topological mappings connecting the dimensions as vertex couplings or what have you.

So I basically see where this mathematics might lead to in the unification physics; but my mathematical understanding is not deep enough to elaborate much further.

I advise anyone interested to study up on octonions (say the Baez papers) to gain more understanding about the technical tools used by Lisi.

But your resonances relate imo to the coupling between the kernel-quarks, defining the baryons, hyperons and their resonances; with the ring-leptons (electron, muon, taus and resonances(?)) and not to a basic spinor elementary eigenstate.
Both leptons and baryons (nucleons) derived from a bifurcation of the class HO(32=4x8) heterotic superstring class, which is directly dual to the 64-class. My argument with the string experts is, that those five classes are NOT at the same Planck-Energy level but form a hierarchy ending in the HE-64 class which manifests the kernel of the Higgs Boson in a neutrino-gluon coupling as a strongweak unification of the inertial mass eigenstates.

Then the massless photon-graviton selfstates couple to the strongweak unification in manifesting the wormhole under the auspices of the HE(8x8) superstring symmetry.


Tony Bermanseder