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Frankenstein
by Mary Shelley
by Mary Shelley
Ceridwen's review
bookshelves: ghost-stories, gothic, rule-britannia, incest-is-best, capital-r-romantic, it-s-alive
Aug 23, 09
bookshelves: ghost-stories, gothic, rule-britannia, incest-is-best, capital-r-romantic, it-s-alive
Recommended to Ceridwen by:
Scott Moore, 19th Century Survey
Read in August, 2009, read count: 2
Cross-posted on Readerling
I first read Frankenstein in a British Survey class when I was nineteen. I'd just hacked my way through the 17th and 18th Centuries, bolting down huge chunks of the raw meat of “Paradise Lost,” the Romantic poets, and early novels. It was perfect time to read Frankenstein, as all of her source material was still digesting in my brain. It was also perfect because Shelly herself was nineteen when she wrote this. This precipitated a sort of pre-life crisis for me. Here's this book, this amazing, flawed book, formulated while she chilled with the original Vampire Lestat and the luminous, otherworldly Bysshe Shelley during maybe the most famous rainy day in the history of novel creation. The problems of technology, divinity, education and creation that she made manifest in the awesome and awful hulk of the Creature keep reanimating and lumbering through all kinds of fiction, and while the later movies almost uniformly get everything wrong, the trope of the Mad Scientist and his Flawed Creation have been thoroughly set as a modern archetype. What the hell was I doing [edited for content:] and [edited for language:]? Why didn't I have dreamy, Romantic boyfriend?
I decided to read this again because of my backyard conversations with a friend who has children the same age as my own. I've inadvertently traumatized my boy with Frankenstein's monster, which is too bad, because I could really get behind a zombie phobia. Talking about this with my friend, I unwittingly unleashed an amazing depth of knowledge and love of Frankenstein from him, and he spoke articulately and at length about Frankenstein, its themes and conclusions. My memory of this book was almost gone: the creature hoping from ice to ice in the arctic and his education with the deLaceys were the only things that had any solidity anymore. He urged me to read it again, using a parental lens this time. It's different when you have kids, says he.
So, okay, I thought, how hard could it be? It's only 200ish pages long and I've read it before. Then comes the massive clusterfuck of book-loss, reading Twilight and the total incongruity of reading Gothic on the back porch while late summer in Minnesota stretches out its finery of grass, the drone of cicadas, and one perfect day after another. I was reading the copy of Frankenstein that I used in class, and I kept having this unsettling sensation of my younger self: her little notes in the margins alluding to knowledge that is only theoretical to me now, her strange penchant for underlining passages in a series of increasingly distracting pen colors, culminating in hot pink for the last couple of chapters. Dammit, Younger Ceridwen, you need to sort some crap out.
So, I feel like I know what YC would say about this book. She'd go on about theology, myth, and technology, a reading Shelly made explicit in her sub-title of “a Modern Prometheus.” Frankenstein is Promethean in that he has stolen the gift of life from God(s). The creature himself is often surrounded by the fire, a deliberate marking of him as Promethean as well. He finds fire in his early, John Lockian period living off of nuts and berries in the wilderness; when the creature's attempt at education and society with the deLacey's goes wrong, he burns down their house, and at the very end, he describes the pyre on the ice that will be his funeral fire. Frankenstein is both stealer of technologies (the flame) and God himself, making the creature either Man (as the recipient of Prometheus's gifts) or Promethean in turn. It's a complicated metaphor, one that works in an uneasy quantum uncertainty of either both things at once or a fissionable synthesis. And one, that for the most part, leapfrogs over Christianity into the earthier moralities of Greek mythology and the Hebrew Yahweh. Yes, yes, there's a ton of talk about “Paradise Lost,” but Milton's work, while avowedly Christian, doesn't much concern itself with Man, Jesus, or the divine sacrifice. It's all about creation, the creation of beings that are not Man, and their Fall. I was actually irritated when Frankenstein invoked Jesus near the end, when in a last ditch attempt to get someone to help him hunt down the creature, he goes to a local magistrate. The magistrate thinks he's nuts, and kindly tells him so. Frankenstein yells, “Man...how ignorant art thou in thy principle of wisdom! Cease; you know not what it is you say.” My pink pen in the margin says, “Jesus?” I hate when writers use JC as a tack-on (see also: the later Matrix movies.) Although, wait, it's altogether likely Shelly was putting his words into Frankenstein's mouth to show what a messianic twit he was. Then that's okay.
Which brings me to another thing. This book is written in the style my mother not-so-affectionately refers to as “the epistolary nightmare.” It opens with a ship captain writing his sister about his heroic attempts to sail to the North Pole, and also about his serious longings for some bromance in his life: if only there were some hep cat to talk to and share his manly feelings! (YC also notes that the sister of the captain, the recipient of his letters, has the same initials as Shelly herself: MWS.) Frankenstein appears, the embodiment of Captain Walton's pining for a tragic, ruined, beautiful hunk of burning manhood. The letters then shift to Walton writing Frankenstein's narratives in the first person, which then shift again in places to the creature narrating his life and feelings in the first person.
I suspect that Shelley is doing this mostly because it's a Gothic convention, used by early novels to lend a sort of verisimilitude to the proceedings. (This is like the “based on a true story” that gets glossed onto horror films, whether they are true or not.) I don't think Shelley intends her narrator to be a damaged narrator; I don't get that vibe at all. So I end up feeling really weird about the whole thing, because Walton has this big beautiful boy-crush on Frankenstein, but everything Frankenstein says about what he does makes me hate him. I truly and perfectly hate this man. It's one of those resounding, continuing ironies of the world that Frankenstein's creature is referred to popularly as “Frankenstein,” because, of course, the creator is the monster, not the creation. (Parenthetically, I'd like to point out that one of the first things Yahweh tells Adam to do in the garden is give names to all the creatures. (Hyper-parenthetically, I now have the Dylan song in my head.) Frankenstein manages to screw this up as well; the creature remains nameless for the entirety of his existence.)
So, okay, this is all stuff that the younger me would love to talk about, and I'm sure she could give you some better Classical references and actual quotes from Milton, instead of just magical hand waving and allusions to things I can't quite remember. I couldn't currently Milton my way out of a wet paper bag. Of something and its loss...Sing Muse? Older me thinks this is all great, and fun, and is probably the stuff Shelley was consciously going for in her book. However, my friend is right, reading this as a parent, I walk away with some really different stuff. I undertook to have me some kids, and the great swooning insanity that overtakes Frankenstein in his quest to create the monster felt very true to the somewhat selfish, unconscious biological fever that underpins my otherwise conscious decision to procreate. I can give you all kinds of reasons why I decided to have kids, but ultimately, they all fail. I did because I did. The reasons are written in the children themselves, but I, of course, didn't know that until I brought them to be.
Family relationships are all over this book: the captain writing his sister, the complicated relations of the Frankenstein family, Frankenstein's relationship with his cousin/sister/wife, the deLacey bother and sister, their blind father, the Turkish fiancée. But in all of this, Frankenstein never refers to the creature as his son, nor the creature to him as his father. This is an amazing lacuna, on par with the fact that while we see Captain Walton's letters to his sister, we never actually hear from her. But Frankenstein's creation is a sort of changling, a fairy creature born out of the inferno of Frankenstein's mind. He even behaves like a brownie, when being unwittingly educated by the deLaceys, chopping their wood for them while lurking on the outskirts of their hearth-fire.
I've been reading At the Bottom of the Garden, which, although I'm not done, has spent the first part of the book talking about fairy stories as related to children, women and men. With all due respect to Prof. Tolkien, I think his assertion that fairy tales have been relegated to the nursery in modern times is full of shit. The nursery is where, historically, the shit has gone down: the intersection of men and women, in very concrete carnal terms, the strange, liminal period of pregnancy, the danger and expectation of birth, the poopy, funny project of raising children into people, into society. The stories are warnings and portents about all the things that can go horribly wrong: the baby who is still-born, making the mother a not-mother, the child who is born wrong, screaming with colic or god knows what, the horrible sensation, almost completely unspoken of in polite company, that this person I've brought into being is not mine, is unlovably weird. My grammar has almost completely broken down, but I'm going to leave it. I suffered from a mercifully brief bout of the baby blues, but I still recall the feeling, as I lay down on the bed next to my daughter after changing her pants for the hundredth time that day, that nothing would ever be right again, that I was unequal to the task of raising her. I looked at the ceiling and felt her move in the the irregularity that characterizes the movements of infants, and thought, this is not me thinking this. This is where fairies are born, in the desperate moments of desperate parents, undone by the creatures they have brought into being.
Frankenstein's great sin, in my estimation, is in his turning away from the creature when he first brings it into being. I'm struggling as to how to talk about this without betraying the privacy of close friends, but I have the honor of friendship with a child with Down Syndrome. I don't think I'm going to tell her story, or the story of her parents, because it's not my place. But it's one thing to talk about my early desperation in my relationship with my daughter, but I've never had a child born into a community of the socially damaged, the stigmatized by sight. I've never had to confront what it means to have a child others point at and whisper about, one that will always, no matter how strong the safety net, be outside the hearth fires in some ways. My friend's trajectory toward accepting her daughter, all of her, was not linear - this was not a Hallmark card, but a life - but it was the exact opposite of Frankenstein's for his creature.
The creature is horrible to look upon. Everywhere he goes people heap curses on him and drive him out with stones. He eventually goes to his creator, his absent father, and begs for a mate, a community that that will nourish and love him. Frankenstein agrees, for a time, until he doesn't. YC notes this, from when Frankenstein decides to stop the Bride of Frankenstein project:
“I had resolved in my own mind, that to create another like the fiend I had first made would be an act of the basest and most atrocious selfishness; and I banished from my mind every thought that would lead to a different conclusion.”
YC notes: really? Here's Frankenstein, at the cusp of his own wedding, denying his child the succor of community, as he has all along. What Frankenstein says here is exactly backwards: the creation of the creature was selfish, yes, while furnishing him with a community would not have been. The plot of the book is irritating as all get out, to me, because it's closer to psychomyth and fairy tale than it is to reality. Walton wishes for a man-friend and poof! He appears. Frankenstein suspects the creature of killing his brother and poof! There's the creature silhouetted on the mountain. But imagine the creature to be a child, an abandoned child, and the whole thing gets horribly sicker and weirder. Stigma has long been a theological term: the mark of God's unmercy written on the body of the damned, their sins made manifest in their perceived ugliness, their damage. This can be mitigated by the beauty of parental hopefulness and the wild, unknowable potential of all children. The manifestation of our biology in all of its forms, even the strange ones, may not always be a gift, but it isn't always a curse. Frankenstein makes it a curse. The creature deserves a helluva lot more than the callous selfishness evinced by Frankenstein, because the changeling of the damaged is still a child, and worthy, like all of us, of love.
I first read Frankenstein in a British Survey class when I was nineteen. I'd just hacked my way through the 17th and 18th Centuries, bolting down huge chunks of the raw meat of “Paradise Lost,” the Romantic poets, and early novels. It was perfect time to read Frankenstein, as all of her source material was still digesting in my brain. It was also perfect because Shelly herself was nineteen when she wrote this. This precipitated a sort of pre-life crisis for me. Here's this book, this amazing, flawed book, formulated while she chilled with the original Vampire Lestat and the luminous, otherworldly Bysshe Shelley during maybe the most famous rainy day in the history of novel creation. The problems of technology, divinity, education and creation that she made manifest in the awesome and awful hulk of the Creature keep reanimating and lumbering through all kinds of fiction, and while the later movies almost uniformly get everything wrong, the trope of the Mad Scientist and his Flawed Creation have been thoroughly set as a modern archetype. What the hell was I doing [edited for content:] and [edited for language:]? Why didn't I have dreamy, Romantic boyfriend?
I decided to read this again because of my backyard conversations with a friend who has children the same age as my own. I've inadvertently traumatized my boy with Frankenstein's monster, which is too bad, because I could really get behind a zombie phobia. Talking about this with my friend, I unwittingly unleashed an amazing depth of knowledge and love of Frankenstein from him, and he spoke articulately and at length about Frankenstein, its themes and conclusions. My memory of this book was almost gone: the creature hoping from ice to ice in the arctic and his education with the deLaceys were the only things that had any solidity anymore. He urged me to read it again, using a parental lens this time. It's different when you have kids, says he.
So, okay, I thought, how hard could it be? It's only 200ish pages long and I've read it before. Then comes the massive clusterfuck of book-loss, reading Twilight and the total incongruity of reading Gothic on the back porch while late summer in Minnesota stretches out its finery of grass, the drone of cicadas, and one perfect day after another. I was reading the copy of Frankenstein that I used in class, and I kept having this unsettling sensation of my younger self: her little notes in the margins alluding to knowledge that is only theoretical to me now, her strange penchant for underlining passages in a series of increasingly distracting pen colors, culminating in hot pink for the last couple of chapters. Dammit, Younger Ceridwen, you need to sort some crap out.
So, I feel like I know what YC would say about this book. She'd go on about theology, myth, and technology, a reading Shelly made explicit in her sub-title of “a Modern Prometheus.” Frankenstein is Promethean in that he has stolen the gift of life from God(s). The creature himself is often surrounded by the fire, a deliberate marking of him as Promethean as well. He finds fire in his early, John Lockian period living off of nuts and berries in the wilderness; when the creature's attempt at education and society with the deLacey's goes wrong, he burns down their house, and at the very end, he describes the pyre on the ice that will be his funeral fire. Frankenstein is both stealer of technologies (the flame) and God himself, making the creature either Man (as the recipient of Prometheus's gifts) or Promethean in turn. It's a complicated metaphor, one that works in an uneasy quantum uncertainty of either both things at once or a fissionable synthesis. And one, that for the most part, leapfrogs over Christianity into the earthier moralities of Greek mythology and the Hebrew Yahweh. Yes, yes, there's a ton of talk about “Paradise Lost,” but Milton's work, while avowedly Christian, doesn't much concern itself with Man, Jesus, or the divine sacrifice. It's all about creation, the creation of beings that are not Man, and their Fall. I was actually irritated when Frankenstein invoked Jesus near the end, when in a last ditch attempt to get someone to help him hunt down the creature, he goes to a local magistrate. The magistrate thinks he's nuts, and kindly tells him so. Frankenstein yells, “Man...how ignorant art thou in thy principle of wisdom! Cease; you know not what it is you say.” My pink pen in the margin says, “Jesus?” I hate when writers use JC as a tack-on (see also: the later Matrix movies.) Although, wait, it's altogether likely Shelly was putting his words into Frankenstein's mouth to show what a messianic twit he was. Then that's okay.
Which brings me to another thing. This book is written in the style my mother not-so-affectionately refers to as “the epistolary nightmare.” It opens with a ship captain writing his sister about his heroic attempts to sail to the North Pole, and also about his serious longings for some bromance in his life: if only there were some hep cat to talk to and share his manly feelings! (YC also notes that the sister of the captain, the recipient of his letters, has the same initials as Shelly herself: MWS.) Frankenstein appears, the embodiment of Captain Walton's pining for a tragic, ruined, beautiful hunk of burning manhood. The letters then shift to Walton writing Frankenstein's narratives in the first person, which then shift again in places to the creature narrating his life and feelings in the first person.
I suspect that Shelley is doing this mostly because it's a Gothic convention, used by early novels to lend a sort of verisimilitude to the proceedings. (This is like the “based on a true story” that gets glossed onto horror films, whether they are true or not.) I don't think Shelley intends her narrator to be a damaged narrator; I don't get that vibe at all. So I end up feeling really weird about the whole thing, because Walton has this big beautiful boy-crush on Frankenstein, but everything Frankenstein says about what he does makes me hate him. I truly and perfectly hate this man. It's one of those resounding, continuing ironies of the world that Frankenstein's creature is referred to popularly as “Frankenstein,” because, of course, the creator is the monster, not the creation. (Parenthetically, I'd like to point out that one of the first things Yahweh tells Adam to do in the garden is give names to all the creatures. (Hyper-parenthetically, I now have the Dylan song in my head.) Frankenstein manages to screw this up as well; the creature remains nameless for the entirety of his existence.)
So, okay, this is all stuff that the younger me would love to talk about, and I'm sure she could give you some better Classical references and actual quotes from Milton, instead of just magical hand waving and allusions to things I can't quite remember. I couldn't currently Milton my way out of a wet paper bag. Of something and its loss...Sing Muse? Older me thinks this is all great, and fun, and is probably the stuff Shelley was consciously going for in her book. However, my friend is right, reading this as a parent, I walk away with some really different stuff. I undertook to have me some kids, and the great swooning insanity that overtakes Frankenstein in his quest to create the monster felt very true to the somewhat selfish, unconscious biological fever that underpins my otherwise conscious decision to procreate. I can give you all kinds of reasons why I decided to have kids, but ultimately, they all fail. I did because I did. The reasons are written in the children themselves, but I, of course, didn't know that until I brought them to be.
Family relationships are all over this book: the captain writing his sister, the complicated relations of the Frankenstein family, Frankenstein's relationship with his cousin/sister/wife, the deLacey bother and sister, their blind father, the Turkish fiancée. But in all of this, Frankenstein never refers to the creature as his son, nor the creature to him as his father. This is an amazing lacuna, on par with the fact that while we see Captain Walton's letters to his sister, we never actually hear from her. But Frankenstein's creation is a sort of changling, a fairy creature born out of the inferno of Frankenstein's mind. He even behaves like a brownie, when being unwittingly educated by the deLaceys, chopping their wood for them while lurking on the outskirts of their hearth-fire.
I've been reading At the Bottom of the Garden, which, although I'm not done, has spent the first part of the book talking about fairy stories as related to children, women and men. With all due respect to Prof. Tolkien, I think his assertion that fairy tales have been relegated to the nursery in modern times is full of shit. The nursery is where, historically, the shit has gone down: the intersection of men and women, in very concrete carnal terms, the strange, liminal period of pregnancy, the danger and expectation of birth, the poopy, funny project of raising children into people, into society. The stories are warnings and portents about all the things that can go horribly wrong: the baby who is still-born, making the mother a not-mother, the child who is born wrong, screaming with colic or god knows what, the horrible sensation, almost completely unspoken of in polite company, that this person I've brought into being is not mine, is unlovably weird. My grammar has almost completely broken down, but I'm going to leave it. I suffered from a mercifully brief bout of the baby blues, but I still recall the feeling, as I lay down on the bed next to my daughter after changing her pants for the hundredth time that day, that nothing would ever be right again, that I was unequal to the task of raising her. I looked at the ceiling and felt her move in the the irregularity that characterizes the movements of infants, and thought, this is not me thinking this. This is where fairies are born, in the desperate moments of desperate parents, undone by the creatures they have brought into being.
Frankenstein's great sin, in my estimation, is in his turning away from the creature when he first brings it into being. I'm struggling as to how to talk about this without betraying the privacy of close friends, but I have the honor of friendship with a child with Down Syndrome. I don't think I'm going to tell her story, or the story of her parents, because it's not my place. But it's one thing to talk about my early desperation in my relationship with my daughter, but I've never had a child born into a community of the socially damaged, the stigmatized by sight. I've never had to confront what it means to have a child others point at and whisper about, one that will always, no matter how strong the safety net, be outside the hearth fires in some ways. My friend's trajectory toward accepting her daughter, all of her, was not linear - this was not a Hallmark card, but a life - but it was the exact opposite of Frankenstein's for his creature.
The creature is horrible to look upon. Everywhere he goes people heap curses on him and drive him out with stones. He eventually goes to his creator, his absent father, and begs for a mate, a community that that will nourish and love him. Frankenstein agrees, for a time, until he doesn't. YC notes this, from when Frankenstein decides to stop the Bride of Frankenstein project:
“I had resolved in my own mind, that to create another like the fiend I had first made would be an act of the basest and most atrocious selfishness; and I banished from my mind every thought that would lead to a different conclusion.”
YC notes: really? Here's Frankenstein, at the cusp of his own wedding, denying his child the succor of community, as he has all along. What Frankenstein says here is exactly backwards: the creation of the creature was selfish, yes, while furnishing him with a community would not have been. The plot of the book is irritating as all get out, to me, because it's closer to psychomyth and fairy tale than it is to reality. Walton wishes for a man-friend and poof! He appears. Frankenstein suspects the creature of killing his brother and poof! There's the creature silhouetted on the mountain. But imagine the creature to be a child, an abandoned child, and the whole thing gets horribly sicker and weirder. Stigma has long been a theological term: the mark of God's unmercy written on the body of the damned, their sins made manifest in their perceived ugliness, their damage. This can be mitigated by the beauty of parental hopefulness and the wild, unknowable potential of all children. The manifestation of our biology in all of its forms, even the strange ones, may not always be a gift, but it isn't always a curse. Frankenstein makes it a curse. The creature deserves a helluva lot more than the callous selfishness evinced by Frankenstein, because the changeling of the damaged is still a child, and worthy, like all of us, of love.
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P.S. This is another review of yours where I feel completely the opposite about the book in question, but think your read of it is the absolute truth and just really beautiful.
Cool, OC, YC has nothing on you.This book has always made me think of Hamlet and the creation of the individual/Man, in many senses. Also that twisted relationship between parents and children, relationships between brothers and sisters, and the horrible things we do to those we love out of our own inability to get our own shit together.
I really should read it again. Maybe once it starts snowing.
This is a really nice review. [Gees, that sounds so trite.:] It's personal, articulate, expository, and pertinent. I am in awe.
I agree that he is really the horrifying character in the book. Do you think that Shelley was consciously referring to postpartum depression in her descriptions of Frankenstein? I don't think so, mostly because I'm not sure that the idea of postpartum depression existed back then, except in very coded ways. Frank, like Katherine says, does do an incredible amount of swooning, talking about his feelings, and being a big, dumb girl, but I think Shelley is trying to show his Romantic sensibilities in contrast with his complete lack of freaking empathy. He speaks more movingly of his love of landscape, than of affection for either the creature or his lady-love. I have to say the marriage proposal to Elizabeth was the worst proposal ever. In some ways, the book could be seen as a critique of Romanticism, its Protestant individualism run to the inevitability of narcissism and selfishness, the pas de deux between God and Man run out of step, a shadow dance.
I was super bothered about how to rate this, because I was seriously irritated by all kinds of stuff. I think her prose is turgid, the plot weak, and large chunks of the book are narrated by someone I hate. But man, if it wasn't a completely different book at 35 than it was at 19.
But man, if it wasn't a completely different book at 35 than it was at 19. Just wait till you hit 60! It's been my contention all along that our life experience so influences the way we look at things (that sounds so trite it will inevitably elicit "well, duh") that books that had a profound influence at 19 seem rather petty at 60 and vice-versa. That was the experience of my entire reading club (old fogies, all) who had read Catcher in the Rye in the sixties and then again in 2006. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
Hmmm....sounds like another literary love affair gone sour. At least you've kept things amicable, unlike Beckett and me, who are dealing with some major issues. Or were the four stars just a nod to YC?
They mostly were. It in some ways deserved 5 stars, because it is amazing, but man if reading it wasn't really tough sledding. YC wasn't bothered by the prose, but I was, over and over. I guess I could always use the word "amazing" the way my grandfather did, as a kind of insult. I hope you and Beckett can patch it up. Although the section you quoted, where he's trying to seduce a woman with the worst pick-up lines evah, makes me think it's him, not you. Have you tried reading "Readers are from Mars, Literary Geniuses are from Douchebag Planet"? Might help with the break-up.
Do you think the library has the Douchebag Planet book, or is that something that should have come in a brown paper bag with my feminist decoder earrings? I think Frank and Beckett should have become pen pals. They would have appreciated each other's romantic stylings.
This was a real treat to read. Thanks for the time you put into this. I've been revisiting some books I enjoyed when I was younger, and for the most part it's been rewarding. But I'm also finding it's a fairly short shelf. There are some return trip books that I only get a few chapters in, and give up.
Thanks, Steve. I wish there were a way to tell if you're going to ruin a lovely fond memory before you pick up the beloved childhood classic. Because I read Frank in school, it was less epic romance and more perfunctory couple of dates with someone I knew my parents would dig. Some books, like The Mists of Avalon, I vowed never to read again, because I know they'll break my heart.And yeah, Meredith, I think the Douchebag Book is out of print, which is pretty sad. If I run into one, it'll be in the mail with the earring post haste. (Is that a pun? God help me.)
Shelley may not have been dealing with post partum depression, but I always wondered if Frankenstein was, in some way, perhaps one she wasn't even aware of, of dealing with her feelings about childbirth and children. She had a horrible time whenever she was pergnant; we know this from her journals and from her letters. She lost children, including an illegitmate daughter of her husband's (and possibly the daughter of her husband and step-sister). She was plagued especially by jealous during those times because Claire and Percy would go off together. (And Claire just seems strange). I wonder if in some way, Frankenstein isn't an attempt to come to terms with the idea of parenthood. Something she seems to have done much better than her husband.And then there is the theory that Percy really wrote it.
I almost talked about about how MWS was a newlywed and all that, but I realized I didn't know anything about her life, other than the ghost story challenge, and the fact that PBS died in a boating accident. So the biographical info is totally awesome, Chris! I've heard the theory that PBS wrote Frank, but that theory has always cheesed me off, like the whole Shakespeare/Bacon thing, but with feminist overtones. I haven't read any of Percy's prose, but I imagine it would be very different from the voice in Frankenstein. The afterward in my edition does say he did have a hand in editing. But then, I'm no historian. Do you think it's credible?
I've read some of MWS's other works and I think she wrote this one. The flaws are consistent throughout. The writing style is also the same. There's another case where people have claimed that the husband wrote the one really good book by a female author. I read Beryl Markham's memoir (West with the Night) and also her short story collection and it's pretty clear that she didn't write the memoir, which is the good one of the two. I'm not ruling out that MWS didn't have help with the story/plot in discussion with the other house guests, but I think she did her own writing.
I agree with Elizabeth. I'm pretty sure he had some type of hand in editing.As for their private life. When I was in college, I did a paper on Mary Shelley. I read both her journals and her collected letters. Huge sections of the journals had been ripped out, by her or her daughter-in-law. Usually these sections occurred when Shelley and Claire did something together. Claire also had a habit of seeing ghosts and then running into Mary and Percy's bed chamber; she also went with them when they eloped. Claire Claremont was Mary's step-sister. The two did not get along. To be fair to Claire, Percy and Mary used her to met in secret. Claire did sleep with Byron. What is unclear is whether or not Percy and Claire slept together. There were rumors, and it seems that Mary wrote letters that said the rumors were wrong. Yet, considering the journals, Mary must have thought something was up. One biography said that Percy and Mary adopted a little girl. The writer believed that the girl was Claire's daughter by PBS. Supposedly, there was a letter from Byron about PBS sleeping with the two sisters and how that was disgusting. I'm not sure about that. It seems strange considering Byron's relationship with his own sister, but he was conflicted about that.
What I find amusing is the free love references are always tied to Mary, more than PBS, at least today. If you look at her life, she was far more conservative than her husband. There is no evidence that she slept with Byron (in fact, most biographers believe that the only "affair" she had outside of Shelley was with James Hogg). After PBS' death, she devoted herself to her son and making sure that PBS' poetry would be remembered.
Alex wrote: ""Maybe the most famous rainy day in the history of novel creation"...nice."Thanks. This may be disingenuous, because I can't think of another rainy day in the history of novel creation. Maybe the opening of Jane Eyre? It was raining then, right?
Well, good point. And when I googled "Famous rainy days in literature," I got nothin'. Still, though: even I could think of anything, it wouldn't be as good.
I don't mind, but I also wrote this over a year ago, and as an entirely personal endeavor to record my impressions of a book. It wasn't published so much as posted, and editors are thin on the ground for non-professional book reviews on a book-themed social networking site. Thanks, though.
I'm so sentimental about this review. It was the vehicle for my GR-lightbulb moment, when I realized there were some talented smarties on here.
Brian wrote: "Hooray for talking through time to younger versions of yourself!"It's discouraging how rarely Younger Me listens.
Also, thanks, Esteban, you are no slouch in the smarties department yourself!!
(And I swear, get right over to Elizabeth's review of Harry Potter - best troll over just posted.)
Ceridwen wrote: "(And I swear, get right over to Elizabeth's review of Harry Potter - best troll over just posted.) "I think your Ulysses review still wins. This guy has potential though. Did you see what he did on Trin's Twilight review?
He and a whole crew of trolls* working together - did you go through his friends list???? They have been very busy. *or possibly a whole crew of sock puppets.
I saw a couple others who look bonkers, too and then I had to look away. Think it's just performance art?
If it is, it's totally brilliant, and utterly pointless. I'm going to google some of these names, before I get blocked.
Ceridwen wrote: "If it is, it's totally brilliant, and utterly pointless. I'm going to google some of these names, before I get blocked."Good plan. Please report back!
"I was super bothered about how to rate this, because I was seriously irritated by all kinds of stuff. I think her prose is turgid, the plot weak, and large chunks of the book are narrated by someone I hate"While I do agree that Shelley used Frankenstein to, in the most basic sense of the overall plot, put flesh on some good and interesting philosophical arguments, the torpid writing that it's encased in (granted, a bit of a reflection of the time) made me want to abandon it more than once. (I only kept on because of the book's 'classic' status and a sort of OCD compulsion to complete it). The meat of what is good about the book could probably have been condensed into one or two pages--the rest was pointless, groan-inducing blather.
Great review. You touch upon many of the novel’s resonances that make it relevant and interesting today, as well as its flaws. I also appreciate introducing questions of disability into your reading of the book, something that I think gets overlooked. I vacillated during my reading of the book between thinking that Shelley wanted readers to sympathize with Victor or with the monster. Although I agree that the true monster is the selfish and cowardly creator, I wondered if this point of view was shaped by own cultural sensibilities, and that readers of Shelley’s time might have thought differently. Obviously, Shelley was responding to anxieties about science and human arrogance, as well as her personal experiences, but in Romantic-era literature, sensibilities about character, culpability, and stigmatization are not always clear-cut. While Victor’s creature goes out of his way to try to be good and noble, and the author seems to almost throw this in our face, something rings false about it as well, I’m not sure what. Maybe it’s that not only does society abhor the creature, but also that he cannot escape his own self-loathing. Of course, self-loathing is certainly a part of identity for many with disabilities and those otherwise marginalized, but it always makes me uneasy when a book makes it seem inevitable. At this point I can’t decide whether the book subverts the stigmatization of difference or re-enforces it. Perhaps it does both.
Yeah, it's tricky, which is why I, on the balance, dig this book despite the turgid, often borderline painful prose. I think despite Walton's total crush on Frankenstein, and how we view him through that loving lens, Walton himself is being skewered. He's on this crazy "scientific" expedition, driven more by some egoism of discovery than sense. He's not competent like the other sailors, in concrete terms, and could have easily gotten them all killed with his vanity. So I do think we're to empathize with the creature more than the creator. (Though, of course, we're to feel bad for Frank too, which is okay, because if he weren't hurt by the loss of his friends and family, he would just be a psycho, and the story would not really be as complex.)But, yeah, I do hear what you're saying. The monster's choices are queasy, at best, even if they are understandable. Like much in this book, I think you can read the stigmatization of difference both ways, and an easy answer is never going to be evident. Which is why this book continues to be cool.
Aww, thanks. BB wanted me to read this for his audio project, but it ended up being 20 minutes long. Ugh.
What you are doing there, Brian, you might think it is funny, but it is not. You are violating very serious rules of style. Very serious.
At least it isn't in Comic Sans, or I would have to cut you.
Ceridwen wrote: "At least it isn't in Comic Sans, or I would have to cut..."The font wars of 2012 have begun. We will always remember this moment and tell our grandchildren, "I was there when..."
Heh. Although I am dead serious when I say that it's a good thing that I control my own browser font.
Ceridwen wrote: "Heh. Although I am dead serious when I say that it's a good thing that I control my own browser font."
I'm fine with different fonts; it's the unnecessary building that brings out my claws.
Bolding not building. My iPhone doesn't like it either.(((Brian and Ceridwen)))
That's a great way to distract people from the issue at hand: excessive type face styling. I think the whole police state conspiracy thing is just a cover up for the real issue here.
Bird Brian wrote: "Maybe they are two extremes of the same issue. On one hand, you have the monolithic authoritanism of rigid font control, on the opposite side the lawlessness and disregard for taste, decorum and co..."Isn't the definition of the latter just unamerican terrorists?
A font is a major tool of uniformity and conformity.Etymologically, it comes from French words associated with melting and casting metal.
All the letters were cast at the same time and in identical form.






I have to side with your mom that the book is an "epistolary nightmare".