Marg K.'s Reviews > Under the Never Sky
Under the Never Sky (Under the Never Sky, #1)
by Veronica Rossi (Goodreads Author)
by Veronica Rossi (Goodreads Author)
Before someone once again accuses me of not liking or not "getting" dystopian fiction let me say that I am in fact a fan of the genre and that I do understand and appreciate it.
At its core dystopian fiction is about exploring the intricacy & dysfunction of human nature with its main focus being the pitfalls/problems of societal, political, and cultural trends as well as the consequences that follow them. Dystopian fiction serves as a cautionary tale—a warning against certain communal behaviors, choices, and ways of living that lead humankind on a slippery slope towards widespread chaos & destruction and/or extreme oppression & inequality. And what I find most fascinating about the genre is that it reflects, magnifies, and examines current worldwide concerns (e.g. perpetual damage to the environment, bioterrorism, government's infringement of its people's rights, overpopulation coupled with diminishing resources, etc).
The thing is though that 9 out of 10 YA dystopian books being released these days are not (in my opinion) true representations of the genre. In reality, they are teen soap operas featuring extraordinarily beautiful and/or super-duper special young people running around being angsty & lovey-dovey against a post-apocalyptic, totalitarian, militant, or neo-tribal backdrop. There's no depth, no complexity, and no examination of anything not directly & immediately pertaining to the protagonist(s). Dystopian elements are tacked on as gimmicky plot devices or reduced to window dressings in order to make the story appear more edgy & dramatic (or to simply follow a popular trend).
Unfortunately, Under the Never Sky is no exception and falls into the aforementioned underachieving majority. Additionally, it also fails as science fiction due to its implausible, poorly conceptualized, and nonsensical science & technology.
Yep, I'm sorry to say that I found the book to be incredibly superficial and mind-numbingly boring. I never felt any real tension or suspense. The action scenes were blink-and-you'll-miss-them brief and completely devoid of excitement. Furthermore, I thought that the dystopian, fantasy, and sci-fi components were significantly underdeveloped and seemed to be just a haphazard assortment of bells & whistles serving no other purpose aside from making the reader go "Ooh-ahh!".
I was also totally not feeling the relationship between Aria and Perry, which unsurprisingly was the predominant focus of the story. Actually, to be quite frank, I thought their romance was awkwardly developed and nauseatingly lame. Come to think of it, the following dramatization would probably summarize it quite nicely:
Perry: "You're a stinky Mole that stinks."
Aria: "You're a dirty Savage that's dirty."
Perry: "I don't like you."
Aria: "I don't like you infinity squared."
Perry: *glare*
Aria: *double glare*
[Shit happens.]
Aria: "I'm bleeding and I have stomach cramps. I'm obviously dying. Goodbye cruel world!"
Perry: *sniff-sniff* What's that intoxicating aroma? *sniff-sniff* "O-M-G! You've got your period!"
Aria: "Ew!!"
Perry: "This is great! You're now a woman who can get pregnant and bear children!"
Aria: "Ew!!"
Perry: *sniff-sniff* Damn, she smells good. Forget what I said before. This chick's smokin'. *officially smitten*
[More shit happens.]
Aria: I don't really know him, a part of me still thinks he's a homicidal savage, and I hate the fact he can smell what I'm feeling while I can't read him at all, but whateva. He's really sexy with all those scars & tattoos, hot violent temper, and bad boy broodiness. *swoon*
Perry: *sniff-sniff* Oh, no! I think I just rendered to her. This can't be happening!! Now we're bonded foreva! *sniff-sniff* Damn it! Why does she have to smell like violets? I love violets. *sniff-sniff* Bloody hell, I can't stop sniffing her. Might as well just give in. *sniiiffff*
[Snogging ensues followed by a PG sex scene that's proceeded by more snogging, cuddling and other sappy expressions of lurve.]
So, yeah, I can't say that that their relationship made sense to me...because it didn't...not at all. Aria and Perry were so very different and had almost nothing in common on top of barely knowing anything about one another. Plus, their feelings toward each other made a complete 180 degree turn out of absolutely nowhere. I was confuzzled and a bit skeeved out by all of the sniffing involved.
Another major issue I had with the book was all of the science fails and inconsistencies that were running rampant through this book and making my inner nerd very, very sad. The biggest offender would probably be the proposed idea of Degenerative Limbic Syndrome (DLS). Aria's mother described it thusly:
Okay, first of all, the limbic system is responsible for more than what was mentioned above. It functions to regulate the body's homeostasis, hunger, thirst, sexual arousal/satisfaction, pain response, perception of pleasure, anger/aggression, and formation of memories (among other things). Secondly, even in a virtual reality, the limbic system is still going to be stimulated and used. Even if you eliminate fear & physical pain from an environment and regulate hunger/thirst by external means, this part of the brain will continue to be in charge of other essential operations. Thirdly, studies have shown that damage to or removal of parts of the limbic system can result in passiveness and unresponsiveness to certain stimuli NOT psychotic fear/stress-seeking behavior. Lastly, degeneration of the limbic system would not automatically result in the "collapse of reason and cognition" because other parts of the brain are responsible for that.
And speaking of things that did not make sense, I also did not understand what the point was of living most of your life in the Realms. When asked about it by Perry, Aria responds that without them the residents of the Pods would go insane with boredom. Well, what about building things, expanding the Pods, studying, and working to improve life out in reality? All these things could be done to stay active & productive without the total dependency on virtual environments. Moreover, Aria's people have all this advanced technology and yet they limit themselves to living in Pods instead of exploring the outside world, which is clearly habitable despite its dangers. Given their tech-savviness, I would think they'd jump at the chance of finding a way to harvest or control the power of the aether, but no; instead, they waste their time engineering frivolous genetic traits.
Anyways, to sum things up all I have to say is that I found Under the Never Sky to be extremely underwhelming & disappointing. There was too little info, too little explanation, too little development, too little world-building, too little action, and a bunch of stuff that did not add up. I did not connect with the characters, the story, or the romance.
At its core dystopian fiction is about exploring the intricacy & dysfunction of human nature with its main focus being the pitfalls/problems of societal, political, and cultural trends as well as the consequences that follow them. Dystopian fiction serves as a cautionary tale—a warning against certain communal behaviors, choices, and ways of living that lead humankind on a slippery slope towards widespread chaos & destruction and/or extreme oppression & inequality. And what I find most fascinating about the genre is that it reflects, magnifies, and examines current worldwide concerns (e.g. perpetual damage to the environment, bioterrorism, government's infringement of its people's rights, overpopulation coupled with diminishing resources, etc).
The thing is though that 9 out of 10 YA dystopian books being released these days are not (in my opinion) true representations of the genre. In reality, they are teen soap operas featuring extraordinarily beautiful and/or super-duper special young people running around being angsty & lovey-dovey against a post-apocalyptic, totalitarian, militant, or neo-tribal backdrop. There's no depth, no complexity, and no examination of anything not directly & immediately pertaining to the protagonist(s). Dystopian elements are tacked on as gimmicky plot devices or reduced to window dressings in order to make the story appear more edgy & dramatic (or to simply follow a popular trend).
Unfortunately, Under the Never Sky is no exception and falls into the aforementioned underachieving majority. Additionally, it also fails as science fiction due to its implausible, poorly conceptualized, and nonsensical science & technology.
Yep, I'm sorry to say that I found the book to be incredibly superficial and mind-numbingly boring. I never felt any real tension or suspense. The action scenes were blink-and-you'll-miss-them brief and completely devoid of excitement. Furthermore, I thought that the dystopian, fantasy, and sci-fi components were significantly underdeveloped and seemed to be just a haphazard assortment of bells & whistles serving no other purpose aside from making the reader go "Ooh-ahh!".
I was also totally not feeling the relationship between Aria and Perry, which unsurprisingly was the predominant focus of the story. Actually, to be quite frank, I thought their romance was awkwardly developed and nauseatingly lame. Come to think of it, the following dramatization would probably summarize it quite nicely:
Perry: "You're a stinky Mole that stinks."
Aria: "You're a dirty Savage that's dirty."
Perry: "I don't like you."
Aria: "I don't like you infinity squared."
Perry: *glare*
Aria: *double glare*
[Shit happens.]
Aria: "I'm bleeding and I have stomach cramps. I'm obviously dying. Goodbye cruel world!"
Perry: *sniff-sniff* What's that intoxicating aroma? *sniff-sniff* "O-M-G! You've got your period!"
Aria: "Ew!!"
Perry: "This is great! You're now a woman who can get pregnant and bear children!"
Aria: "Ew!!"
Perry: *sniff-sniff* Damn, she smells good. Forget what I said before. This chick's smokin'. *officially smitten*
[More shit happens.]
Aria: I don't really know him, a part of me still thinks he's a homicidal savage, and I hate the fact he can smell what I'm feeling while I can't read him at all, but whateva. He's really sexy with all those scars & tattoos, hot violent temper, and bad boy broodiness. *swoon*
Perry: *sniff-sniff* Oh, no! I think I just rendered to her. This can't be happening!! Now we're bonded foreva! *sniff-sniff* Damn it! Why does she have to smell like violets? I love violets. *sniff-sniff* Bloody hell, I can't stop sniffing her. Might as well just give in. *sniiiffff*
[Snogging ensues followed by a PG sex scene that's proceeded by more snogging, cuddling and other sappy expressions of lurve.]
So, yeah, I can't say that that their relationship made sense to me...because it didn't...not at all. Aria and Perry were so very different and had almost nothing in common on top of barely knowing anything about one another. Plus, their feelings toward each other made a complete 180 degree turn out of absolutely nowhere. I was confuzzled and a bit skeeved out by all of the sniffing involved.
Another major issue I had with the book was all of the science fails and inconsistencies that were running rampant through this book and making my inner nerd very, very sad. The biggest offender would probably be the proposed idea of Degenerative Limbic Syndrome (DLS). Aria's mother described it thusly:
"It's called the limbic system. It controls many of our most basic processes. Our drive to mate. Our comprehension of stress and fear and reaction to it. Our quick decision-making capability. We say gut reaction, but actually these reflexes come from here. Simply put, this is our animal mind. Over generations in the Realms, the usefulness of this part of our brain has vastly diminished. It degenerates. This has catastrophic consequences when we do need to rely on instinct. Pleasure and pain become confused. Fear can become thrilling. Rather than avoid stress, we seek it and even revel in it. The will to give life becomes the need to take it. The result is a collapse of reason and cognition. Put simply, it results in a psychotic break."
Okay, first of all, the limbic system is responsible for more than what was mentioned above. It functions to regulate the body's homeostasis, hunger, thirst, sexual arousal/satisfaction, pain response, perception of pleasure, anger/aggression, and formation of memories (among other things). Secondly, even in a virtual reality, the limbic system is still going to be stimulated and used. Even if you eliminate fear & physical pain from an environment and regulate hunger/thirst by external means, this part of the brain will continue to be in charge of other essential operations. Thirdly, studies have shown that damage to or removal of parts of the limbic system can result in passiveness and unresponsiveness to certain stimuli NOT psychotic fear/stress-seeking behavior. Lastly, degeneration of the limbic system would not automatically result in the "collapse of reason and cognition" because other parts of the brain are responsible for that.
And speaking of things that did not make sense, I also did not understand what the point was of living most of your life in the Realms. When asked about it by Perry, Aria responds that without them the residents of the Pods would go insane with boredom. Well, what about building things, expanding the Pods, studying, and working to improve life out in reality? All these things could be done to stay active & productive without the total dependency on virtual environments. Moreover, Aria's people have all this advanced technology and yet they limit themselves to living in Pods instead of exploring the outside world, which is clearly habitable despite its dangers. Given their tech-savviness, I would think they'd jump at the chance of finding a way to harvest or control the power of the aether, but no; instead, they waste their time engineering frivolous genetic traits.
Anyways, to sum things up all I have to say is that I found Under the Never Sky to be extremely underwhelming & disappointing. There was too little info, too little explanation, too little development, too little world-building, too little action, and a bunch of stuff that did not add up. I did not connect with the characters, the story, or the romance.
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I've noticed the same things in my reading. It's not what I was expecting. I don't understand why they are in those pods.
i love reading your dissenting reviews. I might still read this because of the big hype, but I've found that I agree with you on most dystopians, though I've read a few compared to you probably. The world-building is always lacking! I wish authors would spend more time detailing their society (it's after all what I find most interesting) since the characters are the same across books anyway. I'd rather know more about the world. It's part of the appeal of dystopian. If I want to read about teenage drama, any YA book would do.
@Stephanie - There really needed to be more background info & explanation as to how & why the pods and realms came to be. The term Unity was thrown about half a dozen times but was also completely unaddressed. @Ning - I honestly don't understand why YA authors skim over the world-building when it's such an essential part of dystopian fiction and what a lot of readers (like you and me) find most fascinating about it. Quite frankly, that just seems incredibly lazy to me.
Marg wrote: "@Stephanie - There really needed to be more background info & explanation as to how & why the pods and realms came to be. The term Unity was thrown about half a dozen times but was also completely ..."So I'm not going crazy. I keep waiting for an explaination to what the Unity is. *sigh* I think I already know where this review might go...another rant about world building.
BTW, what is the Aether? Was this explained? I'm a little more than halfway through, but I feel like I'm missing something every time they talk about it.
Stephanie wrote: "BTW, what is the Aether? Was this explained? I'm a little more than halfway through, but I feel like I'm missing something every time they talk about it. "Nope, beyond being hazily described as some kind of electrical storm/Aurora Borealis, absolutely nothing else was explained about it...which also bugged the hell out of me.
Marg wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "BTW, what is the Aether? Was this explained? I'm a little more than halfway through, but I feel like I'm missing something every time they talk about it. "Nope, beyond being haz..."
*SIGH* T_T
If you create a world...you explain the world! I wanted to like this so bad, but I'm finding it hard to ignore the gaping plot holes.
See, this is why I can't be bothered with YA fiction anymore. It drives me up the wall. I once thought it was just because they skim over sex; by that, I mean they skim over internal feelings of conflict, passion and obsession - and I remember everything about a love/lust/crush being being intense as a teenager. YA lacks this intensity, which makes all of the characters seem like pale shades of real people. It's not that I desire sex, explicit or otherwise in the books I read (and have, in fact, gravitated towards series with much less sex in them than what I read as a teenager). But if you're going to include romance, then you can't "tone it down" just so you don't offend someone's parents. As an example, Jenny Carroll (Meg Cabot) has one of the few YA series I've loved: 1-800-Where-R-U. There was no sex until the very end of the last book, and it was off-screen. But the way the main character responds to the love interest is believable. It isn't all feelings of lurve. There's genuine passion and lust in what she feels for him. And a lot of irritation. Plus, their relationship grows over a length of time (and several books), rather than one short book.
But ultimately, yeah, it's the lack of world-building. As much as I've wanted to jump on the YA band-wagon, given how many include dystopian/apocalyptic settings, the handful I've read so far have completely removed that desire. One of them (Enclave) was even from one of my favorite writers; it was just as guilty of the sins other YA novels are, albeit better written in many cases.
Ultimately, I think current YA publishing has become a genre much like the early days of romance. A lot of publishers pick up authors who can write the most basic sellable form of the genre, even if it's not particularly good, all to jump on the gravy train. (Thank you, Stephanie Meyer.) Then established authors, seeing the obvious lack of quality, decide to make a little extra cash with less effort than their previous books. Why bother with extensive world-building and character development when you can write a 200-page YA novel with less creative energy expenditure and a better pay-off? (And saving all that energy/thought for less valuable but better books.)
I completely respect your opinion and I think you are right in what Dystopian fiction should aim to acheive. I would argue, though, that this isn't dystopian fiction. I would classify this, and it's marketed as, scifi.
Kat wrote: "I completely respect your opinion and I think you are right in what Dystopian fiction should aim to acheive. I would argue, though, that this isn't dystopian fiction. I would classify this, and i..."From what I've seen, it has been marketed & promoted as both dystopian & science fiction. And sadly, I don't think it's a good representation of sci-fi either. The sci-fi elements were rather weak, underdeveloped, and mostly unexplored (in my opinion).
Just going to say this. THIS review. EVERYTHING. Exactly what I felt, RE: menstruating = hotness, gaping lack of world-building, and DLS = WTF. I also hated how the DLS seemed vaguely based on Lamarckism i.e. since people stopped using that part of their brain, it began to shrink, and successive generations had weaker/even more shrunken brain-parts and KABOOM DLS is now a plot device!
This review, and Profane's comment at #9, are so on the money about YA dystopian and YA in general that it hurts. I wish these things weren't true, but sadly I think they are.I'm tired of the YA genre being used as an excuse for laziness in world-building, character development, and relationship development. It's time we demanded better.
That whole intro about dystopian novels and how YA novels aren't even getting that is so painfully and incredibly true. I feel as if people don't get the point anymore, and that they're just thinking of one new crappy "future" after the other to crank out the money. I honestly feel like that's how disasters like Shatter Me, Legend, and too many others came on the market, and new ones are coming daily, it seems.I am actually writing a TRUE dystopian novel, where I explore our violent need today for the government to stay out of buisness (complete and utter capitalism)'s negative affects, a government system in which the world is one country with many representatives from states (that are created by large companies) (how if we all work together, we can fix great things), how humans have a dependency on the idea of having one big leader and that might be a bad thing, and many other flaws. One of the more interesting ones is how like it or not, we like watching people fight/fall in love/interact, but it's a warning that you can go too far. There's also a twist of how "They don't have the power to use them, but the next generation will have the ideas that might fix the future."
But, since all these soap opera "dystopians" are coming on the market, I doubt by the time I get the thing publishable any lit. agent will be looking for dystopians.
Watch, the realistic fiction dramas will make a comeback.
I don't understand why you even finished the book if you didn't like it. For me I did find this book thrilling and suspenseful, I loved the characters, and I thought the societies were explained pretty well. I do agree that some things, like the Aether, could have been explained better, but hey that's all going to explained in the sequel. I just don't feel like you got the point of this book, it wasn't *all* about Aria and Perry falling in love, it was about working together, helping each other while searching for their loved ones and answers. They may be walking the same path, but for each of them it was a different journey. It sort of reminded me of Graceling (their journey that is, not the story as a whole). I looked through your read shelf, and I felt like a saw a lot of low ratings, not that that's a big deal or anything, but I just want to know that you don't pick books out on purpose just so you can give them "negative" (sorry I can't think of another way to say it) reviews, or if you're just really bad at picking out books most of the time.
Hi Ryann, I was just poking around and saw your post. Something you mentioned above is something I've been seeing a lot of as of late. The part where you were wondering if Marg picked these books to give them a negative review or if she was bad at picking books. I just had to say that it kind of bothers me when people say this because I don't think it's very fair. Everyone reads the synopsis given and if it's something they are interested in they read the book hoping that it is a great read but no one can predict if it truly will be a great read until they actually read it. Everything you like in a book could have been there but if it's not executed correctly the other stuff won't matter. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as individuals we will walk away from the same book feeling and taking away with us different things. We should respect that and move on. At any rate, I hope that you all are having a great Sunday! That was my .02.
Mirely wrote: "Hi Ryann, I was just poking around and saw your post. Something you mentioned above is something I've been seeing a lot of as of late. The part where you were wondering if Marg picked these books t..."Very well put. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you, Mirely.
No problem! I enjoy your reviews. You are so articulate and you give examples of why you feel the way you do, which I appreciate. It's a different perspective than mine and that is what I sometimes look for, even if I happen to like a book and you don't or vice versa. It's all good, Peeps!
Marg, I completely agree with you. Their relationship springs up out of nowhere, seeing as they both hate each other, not to mention that the whole period-sniffing-I-suddenly-want-you thing is actually quite disturbing. Nothing says romance like ... yeah. Nice. And I also don't understand the Pod situation. If that many people confined in such small spaces can't come up with anything more productive and fulfilling to do than vegging out inside their heads, then they're welcome to turn on each other, as far as I'm concerned.
I haven't read the book, but this is such a well-formulated tally of things I dislike in YA fiction that I think I'll be skipping this one.
Great discussion about that woes of YA dystopian. I have come to realise it is not them it is ME! The books are popular, the romtopian genre is hugely popular. Yes they are marketed as dystopian BUT we all know they are romtopian before we even open the book. We know what we are getting in to... It is like the proverbial train crash, you keep reading (and buying). My light bulb moment came recently when I realised I had to stop reading quick, cheap, and horrid YA dystopian and trac down some good dystopian (lose the YA). Metro 2033, Wool, Night People (which is actually good YA ). Don't blame them, blame ourselves for continuing to read the drivel.
I mean, you don't pick up a Mills&Boon an then get disappointed that it was Jane Austen. That was the ephinany that I had.
I have to completely agree with all of your points here. I just gave up on this book and put it on my did not finish shelf myself. But I'm wondering, given our shared love of world-building, which books or authors in your opinion got it right?
"Over generations in the Realms, the usefulness of this part of our brain has vastly diminished. It degenerates"To add to your criticism of the science in this paragraph, I also fail to see how the limbic system would degenerate over the generations unless there was natural selection going on in the Realms that favoured individuals with a degenerate limbic system. This seems highly unlikely since the limbic system is responsible for many bodily functions. Furthermore, I'm not sure how many years the Realms has been in place, but even if this sort of natural selection were going on it would be very gradual and take many, many years. I'm a complete science nerd so I don't think I'll be reading this book :/
what post-apocalyptic/sci-fi book would you recommend? I am, of course, looking for good world-building :)
(Rosalie) wrote: "1st, the relationship between Perry and Aria goes a long way before they even realize they like each other. 2nd: the crude dialogue above is nothing like what actually happens in the book. 3rd: the..."We're gonna have to agree to disagree...'cos we obviously have two very different interpretations of the book.
Marg, I was going to read this but now that I've read some of the dialogue I have a feeling I would end up not liking it too much ! Thanks for including this in your comments . I'll pick something else !
If you like dystopian fiction I recommend "Divergent", "Matched", and "Legend." Three of the best books I ever read.
Elizabeth wrote: "Thank you for this comment after I read the dialog I will NEVER read it."I thought it was obvious from the format and joking tone I used, but I'm concerned that there might be some misunderstanding; so let me make something clear. The dialogue in my review is not a quote from the book. It's my own dramatized take on the the characters' behaviors, thoughts, and conversations.
I couldn't get into this book, and after reading your review, I am glad that I chose not to continue. I, too, had major problems with the whole "live in virtual reality for your life" part of the society.
I've kind of given up. All YA fiction follows the format of your summary, whether it's dystopian or not! I read a ton of it, so I feel qualified to make that assessment. That said, some is indeed better than others: if I don't roll my eyes at least once a chapter, I can handle it, and possibly recommend it to my YA patrons.
You said this much better than I ever could. I kept wondering how Aria could supposedly be so well-versed on the Limbic System, but had no idea that young women begin menstruating in their teens. Weird.
i actually loved the book, and i dont care if other people hate it, their business, not mine. but dudee, your review was so hilarious!:))) as in in a good way:)) the dialogue you made between aria and perry, LOL :))
LOL. I wanted to like this book, but from the beginning I could tell it just wasn't my type. I also am a love for the dystopian books, but the relationships and technology were lame.


