Sean Wills's Reviews > Angelfall
Angelfall (Penryn & the End of Days, #1)
by Susan Ee (Goodreads Author)
by Susan Ee (Goodreads Author)
This is a review of Angelfall, a self-published YA paranormal romance (I guess) by Susan Ee. It's also going to be an exploration of how Ee has managed to completely outclass most of the traditionally-published authors writing in her genre simply by expending the tiniest bit of effort when it comes to characterisation, worldbuilding and plot. Which isn't to say the book is any good (I gave it two stars, after all), just that it's a hell of a lot better than most of its peers.
Take that as you will.
The Breakdown, because I'm too lazy to string this together into a proper review.
Plot
Angels have destroyed civilization as we know it. Penryn, our protagonist, managed to survive the six weeks since the initial attack despite being burdened (as she sees it) with the responsibilities of looking after her wheelchair-using sister and her schizophrenic mother. She contends with roaming gangs of humans, none of whom we ever see, the threat of angel attacks, of which we see exactly one, and the usual post-apocalyptic horrors of starvation, disease and natural disaster.
It's boring.
I mean, stuff happens, and it happens at the kind of pace that prompts hack reviewers to bust out phrases like 'high octane' or 'will keep you on the edge of your seat', but I never really cared about any of it. I think the problem is that Penryn's goal of finding her kidnapped sister almost looms too large over the rest of the plot. Of course Penryn is going to make it to the Aerie, home of the angels, which means Raffe, her reluctant angel guide, is going to survive any dangers that befall them and isn't going to abandon her and obviously they're not going to hang around with the ragtag group of human resistance fighters rather than push ahead to San Francisco. The book's stubborn focus on limp action scenes means that I never found myself caring about any of the misadventures that befall Penryn and Raffe on the way to their ultimate goal, particularly when most of those misadventures involve Penryn punching things.
Apart from a few twists near the end (and more on those later, so consider yourself spoiler-warned), Angelfall's plot plays out exactly the way you'd expect it to.
Why Susan Ee still does it better: Because, as I mentioned not two paragraphs ago, stuff actually happens. There is no endless faffing about with scenes of everyday monotony. There's no coy 'Could Hotty McBeefcake really be...a vampire?!?!', when he's obviously a bloody vampire because it says he's a vampire on the back cover and, oh yes, the book is called The Vampire Chronicles: BLOOD DESIRE. I might not have enjoyed the plot of Angelfall all that much, but at least it had one, which is more than I can say of certain other books.
Worldbuilding
Hoo boy. This one's going to be rough.
SO, angels have descended from on high and are wreaking havoc on the human world. The Archangel Gabriel has been gunned down amid the ruins of Jerusalem, and it seems that nobody is being spared the angel's wrath.
Quiz time: what major human institution would this have a profound effect upon? You may have heard of it, possibly on the news? Most people consider it kind of a big deal?
That's right, religion! And what topic is almost never brought up throughout most of Angelfall? Religion!
The number of missed opportunities here is mind-boggling. How are members of the Abrahamic religions reacting to what could only be interpreted as unambiguous evidence that their faith was the right one all along? More importantly, how are people who aren't members of the Abrahamic religions taking it? What happened when angels descended on societies that previously viewed them only as mythological beings or pop-culture characters? Are the faithful coming up with excuses as to why the angels are killing indiscriminately rather than only targeting evil people? Or is there a rising tide of dystheism, the belief that God is real (because angels) but evil (because they're killing everyone)?
Hell if I know. The book doesn't seem to care about any of this. The angels are treated almost as a natural disaster or an invasion from an aggressive human force; yes, people rage against them and decide to fight back and all the rest of it, but the fact that these are angels we're talking about barely even registers for them. The angels' background is only brought up towards the end of the novel, when we learn that they're more or less similar to the figures in the Bible*. There's a heaven, apparently, and a Hell ('the Pit'), and demons, but then they also have multi-coloured wings (including one with a tiger-stripe pattern) and eat human food and have to have their wings surgically re-attached if they're cut off and build nightclubs where everyone dresses up in zoot suits.
No, really. Zoot suits. Yeah, I don't know either.
*(Actually, Biblical angels come in a huge variety of weird and wonderful forms, depending on which arbitrary Church interpretation you decide to go with. The Cherubim, for example, have four heads, only one of which is human, while the Orphanim are many-eyed wheels. The most powerful of the angels are said to shine with such glory that not even other angels can bear to look at them. By comparison, the winged male models of books like Angelfall are pretty pedestrian.)
Why Susan Ee still does it better: See above. Yes, the worlbuilding in Angelfall might be pretty terrible in places, but at least it has a world to...er, build, as opposed to some flimsy nonsense about supernatural lovers destined to find each other throughout history and if they ever bump uglies the world will end and oh look I've slipped into a boredom-induced coma.
Characters, or the Whedonite Curses of Kickass and Witty
So, Joss Whedon. He came along and made some shows that everybody loves, in the process introducing the internet to the idea that female characters must be both 'witty' and 'kickass'. (Also waif-like and, if at all possible, completely off their rockers, but that's another issue.) Unfortunately, most people can't write witty dialogue to save their lives...and that includes Joss Whedon, ironically enough.
In Angelfall, the Curse manifests itself most potently in the character of Raffe, who is easily the worst thing about the novel. Because Wittiness Is King, Ee has made sure to load his dialogue with things like this:
"I never kid about my warrior demigod status."
"“Leaking sacks of mutated maggots?" He raises his perfectly arched eyebrow as though I'd just failed my verbal insult exam.
"That's a pretty intimate demand in the angel world. It usually takes dinner, some wine, and sparkling conversation for me to give up my feet."
And, worst of all:
"My friends call me Wrath," says Raffe. "My enemies call me Please Have Mercy. What's your name, soldier boy?"
No, really, he actually says that, and he says it to someone who doesn't realise he's an angel. Quiz time: if someone said this around you, would you 1) Roll your eyes harder than they've ever been rolled before 2) Make some excuse and leave the room in fear of being overwhelmed by dangerous levels of jackass-fumes 3) Start slapping Raffe around in hopes of knocking the stupid out of him? Whatever you just chose, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't just ignore it as though this was a perfectly ordinary thing to say.
(I mean, 'My friends call me Wrath'? Blegh.)
Raffe is supposed to be this super-badass angel warrior, but to me, he read like a teenage boy with a severely overinflated ego. Thanks, Joss Whedon!
Penryn isn't nearly as bad, but she still seems to consider being 'witty' a virtue above all others. She actually worries about whether her comebacks to Raffe's idiocy are witty enough (spoiler: they aren't), usually in situations where this would be the absolute last thing on any sane person's mind.
On the kickass side of things...eh, Angelfall is pretty standard here. Raffe has a few fight scenes, but Penryn is the one doing most of the nose-breaking and groin-punching. It gets nice and visceral, too, which is a welcome change from reading about protagonists whose authors seem to be afraid of visiting any harm whatsoever upon their special snowflake heads.
But before we leave character-land, I have to comment on the book's bizarre and pervasive misogyny. Throughout the course of the novel, Penryn and Raffe end up crossing paths with three minor female characters: one a member of the burgeoning resistance movement, one some random woman in the zoot-suit angel nightclub, and one a scientist or surgeon or something. Every one of them paws Raffe incessantly, glares at Penryn, and generally acts like a man-stealing harpy stereotype. The Resistance-movement girl's physical attractiveness is lingered upon in a way that makes it seem like a moral failing; how dare she have blonde hair and beautiful legs! It's like Ee decided to import the whole cheerleader-hating thing from YA novels with high school settings.
(Speaking of which, why the hell does everyone hate cheerleaders so much? I never went to an American high school, but from what I've read about them, you'd think they were all populated by platinum-blonde cheerleader succubi who feed on virgin testicles.)
Why Susan Eee still does it better: Raffe is never abusive or creepy. I wish that didn't count for so much, but it does.
I won't do a breakdown of the writing, which is pretty standard fare. (Well, apart from the first 10 chapters or so, which are reeeeally rocky. Penryn runs around with her mother and sister for a good four chapters, and none of them say a single word to each other. It's bizarre.) It gets better in the second half, but there's still way too much 'I do this, and then this, and then I do this' for my liking.
Suffice to say, Angelfall didn't appeal to me. But it might appeal to you! And for only 99c, it's undeniably good value for money. Ee should be applauded for managing to meet or even surpass the standards of her genre without the aid of a major publishing house behind her. What gets me about Angelfall, though, is the sense of wasted potential. This could have been really interesting - groundbreaking, even, if Ee had decided to really commit to the inherent complexity of her premise. I almost wish it had been written ten years ago, before the PNR craze took off. Instead of something fresh and different, though, we get supernatural Bad-Boy #5409 and lots of 'witty' dialogue.
Dammit, Joss Whedon. You've got a lot to answer for.
(UPDATE: My good friend Phoebe North just told me that this review came across almost like an endorsement of the book, which...uh, wasn't really my intention. To get a good idea of my more visceral reactions to it (yes, that's a nice way of putting it), scroll down and look at the many status updates I made while reading it.)
Take that as you will.
The Breakdown, because I'm too lazy to string this together into a proper review.
Plot
Angels have destroyed civilization as we know it. Penryn, our protagonist, managed to survive the six weeks since the initial attack despite being burdened (as she sees it) with the responsibilities of looking after her wheelchair-using sister and her schizophrenic mother. She contends with roaming gangs of humans, none of whom we ever see, the threat of angel attacks, of which we see exactly one, and the usual post-apocalyptic horrors of starvation, disease and natural disaster.
It's boring.
I mean, stuff happens, and it happens at the kind of pace that prompts hack reviewers to bust out phrases like 'high octane' or 'will keep you on the edge of your seat', but I never really cared about any of it. I think the problem is that Penryn's goal of finding her kidnapped sister almost looms too large over the rest of the plot. Of course Penryn is going to make it to the Aerie, home of the angels, which means Raffe, her reluctant angel guide, is going to survive any dangers that befall them and isn't going to abandon her and obviously they're not going to hang around with the ragtag group of human resistance fighters rather than push ahead to San Francisco. The book's stubborn focus on limp action scenes means that I never found myself caring about any of the misadventures that befall Penryn and Raffe on the way to their ultimate goal, particularly when most of those misadventures involve Penryn punching things.
Apart from a few twists near the end (and more on those later, so consider yourself spoiler-warned), Angelfall's plot plays out exactly the way you'd expect it to.
Why Susan Ee still does it better: Because, as I mentioned not two paragraphs ago, stuff actually happens. There is no endless faffing about with scenes of everyday monotony. There's no coy 'Could Hotty McBeefcake really be...a vampire?!?!', when he's obviously a bloody vampire because it says he's a vampire on the back cover and, oh yes, the book is called The Vampire Chronicles: BLOOD DESIRE. I might not have enjoyed the plot of Angelfall all that much, but at least it had one, which is more than I can say of certain other books.
Worldbuilding
Hoo boy. This one's going to be rough.
SO, angels have descended from on high and are wreaking havoc on the human world. The Archangel Gabriel has been gunned down amid the ruins of Jerusalem, and it seems that nobody is being spared the angel's wrath.
Quiz time: what major human institution would this have a profound effect upon? You may have heard of it, possibly on the news? Most people consider it kind of a big deal?
That's right, religion! And what topic is almost never brought up throughout most of Angelfall? Religion!
The number of missed opportunities here is mind-boggling. How are members of the Abrahamic religions reacting to what could only be interpreted as unambiguous evidence that their faith was the right one all along? More importantly, how are people who aren't members of the Abrahamic religions taking it? What happened when angels descended on societies that previously viewed them only as mythological beings or pop-culture characters? Are the faithful coming up with excuses as to why the angels are killing indiscriminately rather than only targeting evil people? Or is there a rising tide of dystheism, the belief that God is real (because angels) but evil (because they're killing everyone)?
Hell if I know. The book doesn't seem to care about any of this. The angels are treated almost as a natural disaster or an invasion from an aggressive human force; yes, people rage against them and decide to fight back and all the rest of it, but the fact that these are angels we're talking about barely even registers for them. The angels' background is only brought up towards the end of the novel, when we learn that they're more or less similar to the figures in the Bible*. There's a heaven, apparently, and a Hell ('the Pit'), and demons, but then they also have multi-coloured wings (including one with a tiger-stripe pattern) and eat human food and have to have their wings surgically re-attached if they're cut off and build nightclubs where everyone dresses up in zoot suits.
No, really. Zoot suits. Yeah, I don't know either.
*(Actually, Biblical angels come in a huge variety of weird and wonderful forms, depending on which arbitrary Church interpretation you decide to go with. The Cherubim, for example, have four heads, only one of which is human, while the Orphanim are many-eyed wheels. The most powerful of the angels are said to shine with such glory that not even other angels can bear to look at them. By comparison, the winged male models of books like Angelfall are pretty pedestrian.)
Why Susan Ee still does it better: See above. Yes, the worlbuilding in Angelfall might be pretty terrible in places, but at least it has a world to...er, build, as opposed to some flimsy nonsense about supernatural lovers destined to find each other throughout history and if they ever bump uglies the world will end and oh look I've slipped into a boredom-induced coma.
Characters, or the Whedonite Curses of Kickass and Witty
So, Joss Whedon. He came along and made some shows that everybody loves, in the process introducing the internet to the idea that female characters must be both 'witty' and 'kickass'. (Also waif-like and, if at all possible, completely off their rockers, but that's another issue.) Unfortunately, most people can't write witty dialogue to save their lives...and that includes Joss Whedon, ironically enough.
In Angelfall, the Curse manifests itself most potently in the character of Raffe, who is easily the worst thing about the novel. Because Wittiness Is King, Ee has made sure to load his dialogue with things like this:
"I never kid about my warrior demigod status."
"“Leaking sacks of mutated maggots?" He raises his perfectly arched eyebrow as though I'd just failed my verbal insult exam.
"That's a pretty intimate demand in the angel world. It usually takes dinner, some wine, and sparkling conversation for me to give up my feet."
And, worst of all:
"My friends call me Wrath," says Raffe. "My enemies call me Please Have Mercy. What's your name, soldier boy?"
No, really, he actually says that, and he says it to someone who doesn't realise he's an angel. Quiz time: if someone said this around you, would you 1) Roll your eyes harder than they've ever been rolled before 2) Make some excuse and leave the room in fear of being overwhelmed by dangerous levels of jackass-fumes 3) Start slapping Raffe around in hopes of knocking the stupid out of him? Whatever you just chose, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't just ignore it as though this was a perfectly ordinary thing to say.
(I mean, 'My friends call me Wrath'? Blegh.)
Raffe is supposed to be this super-badass angel warrior, but to me, he read like a teenage boy with a severely overinflated ego. Thanks, Joss Whedon!
Penryn isn't nearly as bad, but she still seems to consider being 'witty' a virtue above all others. She actually worries about whether her comebacks to Raffe's idiocy are witty enough (spoiler: they aren't), usually in situations where this would be the absolute last thing on any sane person's mind.
On the kickass side of things...eh, Angelfall is pretty standard here. Raffe has a few fight scenes, but Penryn is the one doing most of the nose-breaking and groin-punching. It gets nice and visceral, too, which is a welcome change from reading about protagonists whose authors seem to be afraid of visiting any harm whatsoever upon their special snowflake heads.
But before we leave character-land, I have to comment on the book's bizarre and pervasive misogyny. Throughout the course of the novel, Penryn and Raffe end up crossing paths with three minor female characters: one a member of the burgeoning resistance movement, one some random woman in the zoot-suit angel nightclub, and one a scientist or surgeon or something. Every one of them paws Raffe incessantly, glares at Penryn, and generally acts like a man-stealing harpy stereotype. The Resistance-movement girl's physical attractiveness is lingered upon in a way that makes it seem like a moral failing; how dare she have blonde hair and beautiful legs! It's like Ee decided to import the whole cheerleader-hating thing from YA novels with high school settings.
(Speaking of which, why the hell does everyone hate cheerleaders so much? I never went to an American high school, but from what I've read about them, you'd think they were all populated by platinum-blonde cheerleader succubi who feed on virgin testicles.)
Why Susan Eee still does it better: Raffe is never abusive or creepy. I wish that didn't count for so much, but it does.
I won't do a breakdown of the writing, which is pretty standard fare. (Well, apart from the first 10 chapters or so, which are reeeeally rocky. Penryn runs around with her mother and sister for a good four chapters, and none of them say a single word to each other. It's bizarre.) It gets better in the second half, but there's still way too much 'I do this, and then this, and then I do this' for my liking.
Suffice to say, Angelfall didn't appeal to me. But it might appeal to you! And for only 99c, it's undeniably good value for money. Ee should be applauded for managing to meet or even surpass the standards of her genre without the aid of a major publishing house behind her. What gets me about Angelfall, though, is the sense of wasted potential. This could have been really interesting - groundbreaking, even, if Ee had decided to really commit to the inherent complexity of her premise. I almost wish it had been written ten years ago, before the PNR craze took off. Instead of something fresh and different, though, we get supernatural Bad-Boy #5409 and lots of 'witty' dialogue.
Dammit, Joss Whedon. You've got a lot to answer for.
(UPDATE: My good friend Phoebe North just told me that this review came across almost like an endorsement of the book, which...uh, wasn't really my intention. To get a good idea of my more visceral reactions to it (yes, that's a nice way of putting it), scroll down and look at the many status updates I made while reading it.)
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Reading Progress
| 12/28/2011 |
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5.0% | "Man, there's some clunky writing in this. 'I did this, I did that, I did I did I did'. Some variation is nice, you know!" | |
| 12/28/2011 |
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6.0% | "Angels with tiger-stripe wings? Did I read that right?" | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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10.0% | "Why the hell wasn't Penryn's mother sectioned if her schizophrenia was that bad, especially after the incident with Paige? I know the laws in the USA are a lot more strict, but come on. (Also if you've spent any time around mentally ill people, the whole 'desecrated body' thing is kind of groan-inducing.)" 2 comments | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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17.0% | "Hey, Joss Whedon called. He wants his terrible dialogue back. (Also if the angel guy starts acting like a smarmy jackass, I'm going to break my Kindle in half.)" | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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17.0% | ""That's a pretty intimate demand in the angel world. It usually takes dinner, some wine, and sparkling conversation for me to give up my feet." Soo...angels go out on dates to fancy restaurants? Where, exactly, and with whom?" 3 comments | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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19.0% | "RULES FOR WRITING QUOTE-UNQUOTE 'WITTY' DIALOGUE: 1) Make sure it's funny and not teeth-grindingly annoying. 2) Don't do it." | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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19.0% | "Oh Christ, no, don't tell me they're going to start romancing each other. Please, book, I'm begging you, don't - "When he smiles, he really does look like someone you'd want to get to know. Some otherworldy handsome guy a girl could dream about." NOOOOOOOOO." | |
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21.0% | "I'm liking the whole 'angel swords are intelligent' thing. More of that, please." | |
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21.0% | "So is Raffe an angel of the apocalypse, or a smarmy fourteen year old boy with delusions of grandeur?" | |
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24.0% | "Oh good, dead people! The odd gruesome image here and there (selling angel parts!) is all that's keeping me going so far." | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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26.0% | ""I never kid about my warrior demigod status." Could we get another version of this with all of Raffe's dialogue removed? You could call it Angelfall: The Halfway Decent Edition. It'll sell like motherfucking hotcakes." 1 comment | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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26.0% | "Penryn seems remarkably unconcerned about her Hollywood-schizophrenic mother." | |
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31.0% | "Now Penryn can pick locks?" | |
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32.0% | ""My friends call me Wrath," says Raffe. "My enemies call me Please Have Mercy. What's your name, soldier boy?" - And then 'soldier boy' backhands him across the face, right? No? God dammit." 1 comment | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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35.0% | "I'm really hoping someone brings up the implications of angels existing. Why isn't Penryn wondering if this is the apocalypse, if humanity is being judged by god, or if god is even behind all of this? Everyone is treating the angels as if they're a natural disaster, or a hostile human force, not like something that should profoundly affect their beliefs about the world." | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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35.0% | ""They stumbled in a semi-circle around the compound like a couple of dildo." - Er, what?" 4 comments | |
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41.0% | "Okay, it's rules of writing time again: When creating characters who are identical twins, call to mind every trope and stereotype of twins you've seen in movies and on TV, and then immediately discard all of them. If you feel the need to make your twin characters 'quirky', resist this urge WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT. If you can't, just don't write about twins. Trust me, we'll thank you for it." | |
| 12/29/2011 |
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45.0% | "The book isn't set in a high school, and yet we STILL get the catty blonde airhead who's trying to steal Hot Guy from Main Girl. If it turns out she used to be a cheerleader, I'm going to scream so loud it will be audible from space." 1 comment | |
| 12/30/2011 |
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52.0% | "This is rapidly improving. Although the revelation that Raffe learned about humans from WATCHING TV is a bit....uh." 3 comments | |
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54.0% | "So I'm more than halfway through the book, and only now has anybody brought up the subject of religion. I've got a rapidly-inflating list of questions that it makes no sense for the book to have ignored for so long. (Much more on that in the review, unless the last 48% of this thing surprises me.)" | |
| 12/30/2011 |
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62.0% | "Okay, what the hell am I even reading. The Aerie, home of the angels, has an honest-to-god nightclub where everyone is wearing zoot suits because 'that's the fashion'. It would be funny if I thought it was some sort of Haruki Murakami-style intentional weirdness, but....uh, it probably isn't." |
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I can't wait to see what you think of this, Sean. Your status updates are hilarious.
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"My friends call me Wrath," says Raffe. "My enemies call me Please Have Mercy. What's your name, soldier boy?" I'm sorry, but this line sounds straight out of gay porn.
(Not that I would know *cough*)
Phoebe wrote: ""My friends call me Wrath," says Raffe. "My enemies call me Please Have Mercy. What's your name, soldier boy?" I'm sorry, but this line sounds straight out of gay porn.
(Not that I would know *c..."
Would you like to see the soda I just spit all over my keyboard after reading this?
Phoebe wrote: ""My friends call me Wrath," says Raffe. "My enemies call me Please Have Mercy. What's your name, soldier boy?" I'm sorry, but this line sounds straight out of gay porn.
(Not that I would know *c..."
Ahaha, oh god, I never thought of that. The over-the-top masculinity...Raffe's weird relationship with the albino angel guy (not mentioned in the review)...IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.
Yes. Yes I would. ;)I just can't imagine a straight dude calling another dude "soldier boy." I mean, in my experience being married to one and all. I dunno. It's 3 am and I'm making comments about gay porn on goodreads. Who knows!
Really, though, Goodreads could use more gay porn. It could get delivered to your inbox if you get enough 'Likes' on a review.
Hayden wrote: "Sean, is there something YOU haven't told us?"Actually I am gay, but I would like the record to show that Phoebe is the one who made the connection between Raffe's dialogue and certain unmentionable materials.
(Oh my god, I can't believe we're talking about this on Goodreads XD This was supposed to be a serious literary discussion!)
Phoebe wrote: "Yes. Yes I would. ;)I just can't imagine a straight dude calling another dude "soldier boy." I mean, in my experience being married to one and all. I dunno. It's 3 am and I'm making comments abou..."
The line originally sounded like a snappy retort in my head, and now it sounds all low growled and sensual. Thanks, Phoebe!
Sorry you didn't enjoy this more, but an excellent critical review nonetheless. (Speaking of which, why the hell does everyone hate cheerleaders so much? I never went to an American high school, but from what I've read about them, you'd think they were all populated by platinum-blonde cheerleader succubi who feed on virgin testicles.)
Waaaaaaaa!!!! Why does everyone hate us? I'm not even remotely blonde either. Cheerleaders are happy people. T_T
/end to the rather weird comment.
Good review, I plan on reading it soon and I'm glad I got the flipside from someone too.Stephanie wrote: "Sorry you didn't enjoy this more, but an excellent critical review nonetheless.
(Speaking of which, why the hell does everyone hate cheerleaders so much? I never went to an American high school, ..."
Cheerleaders were the bitches who tripped people in the hallway and then expected to copy off everyone else's tests in class. The only break from cliche was that I'm from Staten Island and went to Catholic schools, heavy on the Italian Roman Catholic soooo the cheerleaders looked more like the cast of Jersey Shore than little bits of blonde blue eyed perfection.
Actually I kind of disagree about the Religion issue. That's the problem with 1st person narrations, how do you convey to the reader what your narrator wouldn't see as important or can't possibly know? Penryn spends most of the book avoiding contact with other humans as they are invariably 1) crazy, 2) raping/torturing gangs, 3) possibly cannibals. She's probably aware of what the initial "ha ha we were right suckas!" reaction was, but when those people got slaughtered same as everyone else I imagine that she dismissed the religion issue as less important than survival.When everyone is dying it doesn't make much sense to waste time and energy angsting about certain religions being right after all.
I do agree that it's odd she doesn't consider the God question earlier, but I don't necessarily think this is a matter of poor world building. She's so isolated from human society that she isn't aware of what's going on a few miles away in San Francisco ... how is she supposed to keep the reader updated with "here's what the Pope thinks about this development..."?
I don't mean that Penryn should be providing up to the minute information on what's going on six weeks after the angels started to attack; I mean that thre should have been some mention of how religious communities reacted to the initial angel attacks. She specifically says that the video of Gabriel being gunned down was shown endlessly on news channels during the opening days of the attack, so civilization obviously didn't just instantly crumble. There should have been some mention at least of how the world at large reacted.The resistance camp was also an area that felt like a missed opportunity. They're rebelling against God, after all. Isn't anyone a little bit conflicted about that? Or weren't any of the resistance members religious before the angels attack began? We're never told.
Lucy wrote: "Cheerleaders were the bitches who tripped people in the hallway and then expected to copy off everyone else's tests in class. The only break from cliche was that I'm from Staten Island and went to Catholic schools, heavy on the Italian Roman Catholic soooo the cheerleaders looked more like the cast of Jersey Shore than little bits of blonde blue eyed perfection."
Weird! I went to a high school in NJ that was largely Italian/Catholic. The cheerleaders were actually all pretty nice.
This could have been really interesting - groundbreaking, even, if Ee had decided to really commit to the inherent complexity of her premise.Nice. As a fan of complexity, I salute you.
Isa wrote: "Actually I kind of disagree about the Religion issue. That's the problem with 1st person narrations, how do you convey to the reader what your narrator wouldn't see as important or can't possibly k..."1st person is a choice, too, just like anything else.
Stephanie wrote: "Waaaaaaaa!!!! Why does everyone hate us? I'm not even remotely blonde either. Cheerleaders are happy people. T_T"I've got a humorous anecdote for you.
About three weeks ago, I went to lunch with two of my friends. Both of them are Hispanic and used to be cheerleaders. They did nothing but complain about the blonde cheerleaders when they started talking about High School (I didn't go to HS with them). Seriously. So I asked them -- "Did you hate everyone on the cheerleading squad?" Their reply?
"...we liked each other."
That aside, I don't think cheerleaders are evil harpies.
Anyway, Sean, I didn't really have a problem with the lack of explanation for religion. In fact, if that had been included, I feel like it would have been more similar to THG as I don't know how Penryn would have access to that kind of info, what with no TV, newspapers, etc...
But perhaps I don't care because I'm not religious. If angels started coming out of the sky, I wouldn't automatically associate them with the Judeo-Christian god. I do think, however, that it should've effected Penryn and her belief.
Sean, are they really rebelling against God? That question seemed to be left open when Raffe tells Penryn (view spoiler)But if any of the resistance members were religious at one point, I don't think it would matter anymore because survival would take first priority.
But, my biggest issue with the book, despite me giving it 5 stars, was that angels could be killed by bullets. When Angel books want to use biblical evidence for their world building, yet blatantly leave out other things (one angel having the ability to kill over a few-thousand man army), I find it incredibly hard to believe they can be killed so easily with a man made weapon. It's like the author tries to have her cake and eat it too.
Though you and I have different thoughts on this book, I thoroughly enjoyed your review, Sean. It's honest, critical, and it doesn't get snarky. I've been a little afraid to read reviews from those who have rated this on the low end because sometimes people can just be mean spirited. Great review :).
But by the same token she doesn't provide the reader with many details on any aspect of the initial reaction to the angels. Not world leaders, not religion, not the Saturday Night Live routine that week. I think that's just a component of her character: Penryn doesn't want to dwell on the past and doesn't care about these philosophical issues, so it would be something unlikely to turn up in her narration ... even if people in the camp were conflicted, would she notice or care? I mean it's pretty obvious that she's willing to screw them over for the chance to save her sister. I find it hard to believe that she would care enough to make those observations.I agree that the book would probably be better if some of these issues were explored, but I think this is just a natural pitfall of 1st person narration ... if your narrator doesn't give a fuck about it, it's not going to come up.
Cory wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "Waaaaaaaa!!!! Why does everyone hate us? I'm not even remotely blonde either. Cheerleaders are happy people. T_T"I've got a humorous anecdote for you.
About three weeks ago, I..."
Lol. That is funny. I blame Bring it On.
Stephanie, that would be a good explanation for why they might not be rebelling against God, except that the resistance members don't know any of that. From their point of view, at least, it must seem like they're fighting against God's army...although, again, we're never told whether or not that's what they think.I agree that the book would probably be better if some of these issues were explored, but I think this is just a natural pitfall of 1st person narration ... if your narrator doesn't give a fuck about it, it's not going to come up.
If that's the case, I would regard making Penryn not give a fuck as a worldbuilding flaw in itself - and a pretty huge one, at that. The premise invites these kinds of questions, then seems to go out of its way to ignore them. If Ee really felt that answering them would have been against Penryn's character (which I don't think it would have been), then she should have found some other way to do it. Like, say, including a religious secondary character who asks Penryn how she feels about the whole thing. When you're writing a book about an angelic apocalypse, you can't just ignore religion.
Came back because I was thinking about this:*(Actually, Biblical angels come in a huge variety of weird and wonderful forms, depending on which arbitrary Church interpretation you decide to go with. The Cherubim, for example, have four heads, only one of which is human, while the Orphanim are many-eyed wheels. The most powerful of the angels are said to shine with such glory that not even other angels can bear to look at them. By comparison, the winged male models of books like Angelfall are pretty pedestrian.)
If you guys all want to read angel books that portray angels properly in the Biblical sense, you should look up L'Engle's A Wind in the Door. She did it right back in the 70s.
Phoebe, since this is the 70s we're talking about, I'm just going to assume they were fabulous Disco Angels.(Actually I tried reading one of L'Engles books ages ago and couldn't get into it. Maybe I should try again!)
Sean wrote: "Phoebe, since this is the 70s we're talking about, I'm just going to assume they were fabulous Disco Angels.(Actually I tried reading one of L'Engles books ages ago and couldn't get into it. Mayb..."
Ha, no. The kid actually thinks the angel is a dragon, because it's a many-eyed, many-winged beast.
The first four of the Kairos books are definitely worth reading, if only for the number of YA tropes that are established. Keep in mind, though, that L'Engle was very much a Christian. As with Lewis, it informs almost everything about her books.
That's a good point. It leaves me to wonder, though. If I were a religious person living in Penryn's world, would I even care about religion after witnessing such mass destruction? It's clear the angels are there to kill all, not just "the wicked" or "the righteous." Did anyone else find it strange how Penryn's mother remained religious till the end of the book?
I can't help but to think this book could have been better if the angels were aliens instead.
Phoebe wrote: "If you guys all want to read angel books that portray angels properly in the Biblical sense, you should look up L'Engle's A Wind in the Door. She did it right back in the 70s. "
I would, but I can't get into her writing style. I tried the first book in that series with A Swiftly Tilting Planet (cannot remember the name), and that other book about the girl who swam a lot (can't remember it either). L'Engles and I just don't mesh.
Ha, no. The kid actually thinks the angel is a dragon, because it's a many-eyed, many-winged beast.That sounds like something I should probably read :D
The first four of the Kairos books are definitely worth reading, if only for the number of YA tropes that are established. Keep in mind, though, that L'Engle was very much a Christian. As with Lewis, it informs almost everything about her books.
I probably wouldn't be able to get through it if it was genuinely preachy, but I can handle 'Christian' fiction to a certain degree. The only reason I've never bothered with the Narnia books is because it's relatively easy to reduce it to a big Christian allegory, which doesn't really interest me.
Cory wrote: "I would, but I can't get into her writing style. I tried the first book in that series with A Swiftly Tilting Planet (cannot remember the name), and that other book about the girl who swam a lot (can't remember it either). L'Engles and I just don't mesh.
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She might be a little too lyrical for your tastes, Cory. A Wrinkle in Time is probably her most plain-spoken too, so it might not be a great match. I think Sean would like the first three at least.
(I didn't like Many Waters, but quite a few YA authors apparently love it--Cynthia Hand and Beth Revis are always talking it up.)
I can't help but to think this book could have been better if the angels were aliens instead.That was exactly my thoughts on it, because most of the characters treat the angels as though they are aliens - i.e. otherworldy aggressors rather than figures who are already deeply rooted in a lot of human cultures.
Sean wrote: "I probably wouldn't be able to get through it if it was genuinely preachy, but I can handle 'Christian' fiction to a certain degree. The only reason I've never bothered with the Narnia books is because it's relatively easy to reduce it to a big Christian allegory, which doesn't really interest me."
They're Christian in the sense that "the power of love" always triumphs, the characters think about prayer, and are friends with a pastor. Oh, and there's a straw atheist character in her later books. You'd probably like Zachary Gray, actually. He's kind of like Thomas from Downton Abbey, only an atheist instead of a gay social climber.
Sean wrote: "I can't help but to think this book could have been better if the angels were aliens instead.That was exactly my thoughts on it, because most of the characters treat the angels as though they are..."
It would have made more sense and there wouldn't be any inconsistencies with the religion in the world building.
And who doesn't like aliens?! XD
Stephanie wrote: "Did anyone else find it strange how Penryn's mother remained religious till the end of the book? "I think, when it came to the mother, I was more concerned by the all foreshadowing that went ... nowhere?
(view spoiler)
Possibly these are hints for future books, but in that case Ee probably should have toned them down so they didn't come across like being hit in the head with a SLEDGEHAMMER OF OBVIOUSNESS. Right now it just looks like a massive plothole.
Isa wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "Did anyone else find it strange how Penryn's mother remained religious till the end of the book? "I think, when it came to the mother, I was more concerned by the all foreshadow..."
I almost forgot all about that! I'm guessing there is more to her mother than meets the eye...
At the high school I'm in now, the cheerleaders are all sluts, and I don't use the word slut lightly.
Hayden wrote: "At the high school I'm in now, the cheerleaders are all sluts, and I don't use the word slut lightly."Problem is, there's no such thing as a slut. What do they do that makes them "slutty"?
Cory wrote: "Hayden wrote: "At the high school I'm in now, the cheerleaders are all sluts, and I don't use the word slut lightly."Problem is, there's not such thing as a slut. What do they do that makes them ..."
Most of them have fucked half of the football team, their boobs practically fall out of their shirts... need I go on?
Hayden wrote: "Most of them have fucked half of the football team, their boobs practically fall out of their shirts... need I go on?"Hm. But I think this is the issue with calling ladies sluts. How do you know they've been having sex with anyone? Hearsay is probably not the best indicator, if this is anything like my high school (I knew a virgin who was slut shamed because of a vicious rumour). And even if these ladies are sleeping with multiple people, should they be shamed for it?
Elizabeth wrote: "Hayden wrote: "Most of them have fucked half of the football team, their boobs practically fall out of their shirts... need I go on?"Hm. But I think this is the issue with calling ladies sluts. ..."
Good point.



