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The God Delusion
by Richard Dawkins (Goodreads Author)
by Richard Dawkins (Goodreads Author)
Reading The God Delusion took a while, but not because it’s long or somehow difficult. It is a jaunty text, in fact, and I found myself often stopping to ponder and/or revel in Richard Dawkins’ happy heathen insights. Also, I do much of my reading on the bus, and you never know when some surly Christian’s going to appear in the seat next to you.
Dawkins’ arguments for not believing in God or the “perfection” of the Bible (or the Koran or whatever basic religious text you please) are strong, cogent, and thorough. But as my goodreads friend, laura (small L; I don’t know why) has already entertainingly said in a different way, he does not offer pithy sound bites for use in sudden throwdowns with hostile, bus-riding believers. It’s not Dawkins’ intention to arm us with atheist verbal weaponry. His expressed hope, rather, is that the lonely non-believer might find in his book a few measures of comfort, consolation, and community. Still, I admit that I have a certain smug Baptist nephew whose prefrontal cortex I now, after reading The God Delusion, imagine splaying with Dawkins’ logical observation that God cannot be both omniscient and omnipresent.
God walks into a bar. He calls out, “Barkeep!” (yes, Yahweh, old school God, says “barkeep”) “Draw me a Guinness!” The bartender places the frothy black liquid before the deity. God eyeballs it and booms (God can’t help but boom when he speaks): “I have changed my mind! I want a Sapphire martini!” The bartender gives God a look and says, “You can’t do that.” God grows indignant: “Whaaa-?! I can do whatever I want!” The bartender shakes his head. “You can’t change your mind,” he says. “But I am omnipotent!” “Look pal,” says the bartender, “didn’t you tell me last time you were in here you’re God the Omniscient?” “Yes, of course!” “Well, then, you can’t change your mind because when a mind changes it moves from a held thought to a previously unheld thought. But you say you know everything, including all thoughts all the time, thus for you there are no unheld thoughts, which means that changing your mind is something you cannot do, thus you cannot do everything, therefore you’re not omnipotent.” God seethes. “Look, you can be omnipotent or you can be omniscient. Not both. Your choice,” the bartender adds, smirking. So God calls forth a lightning bolt and smites the bartender, who bursts into flame. The bar burns to the ground. As God walks away, he mutters (boomingly), “I knew that was going to happen!”
If you don’t think that’s funny, blame my paraphrase, not Dawkins. He does like to joke around, though. And laura gets some jocular mileage herself out of calling Dawkins a “smarty-pants” British professor with a “holier-than-thou attitude,” although I suspect that her discomfort may largely arise from the fact that Dawkins’ own jokes tend to fall flat (he did do pretty well on Bill Maher’s show, though, so maybe it’s writing jokes that stumps him). He plays it smart. He quotes lots of funny people, like Woody Allen and Douglas Adams (who once was his bff, quite apparently). And he’s not really as all-fired mean or ungenerous as laura implies, but he is blunt, and he’s fed up with religious tyranny of all kinds and the wide slack we Westerners habitually cut religion lest it get its sensitive, little, millennia-old feelings hurt. He’s also damned sick, as we all well should be, of the mental and emotional religious abuses to which children are put every day – and we’re not just talking about the inexcusable pedophilia of certain religious “leaders,” either.
Rather than generate pro-atheist talking points, The God Delusion illuminates the rationale for atheism, answers old criticisms, and anticipates new ones. One thing Dawkins makes especially clear is that religion and atheism are not two sides of the same coin. They are not coequal ends of some human belief spectrum. Faith is the (stubborn) adherence to an idea despite a lack of evidence for it. In fact, it seems that the more evidence against an idea (like virgin birth) mounts, the more obstinate grows the believer’s insistence upon it. In the parlance of faith, this is known as “strength.” Atheism (or rationality – Dawkins uses “atheism” and “reason” pretty much interchangeably), does rely on evidence. What atheism knows about the universe is not hard and fast, it’s open, and it changes and adapts and grows as new discoveries are made and new evidence is revealed. Inert, unchanging, incurious faith does not balance the rational appetite for knowledge.
My nephew would so rail and flail at me! He would hurl all sizes and shapes of disputation cherry-picked from King James’ centuries-old, “infallible” text (that can get barely even one of its own stories straight) directly at my head. Yet I doubt that the little Levitican has ever considered how decimated our family would be if we were to stone to death all its adulterers and pre-marital partiers, then sell our sisters (one being his mother) into slavery, or that he’s ever allowed himself to be puzzled by “infinite regress” (or, put vertically, the notion that it’s “turtles all the way down”) and why any god presumed to be at the “end” of that infinity must therefore be one that begat Jesus. Could he entertain the thought that all believers are atheists when it comes to religions other than their own? I don’t think so. I should just leave his brain be, I think. And give my own a break.
A sadness thus overhangs this book and all its kin, such as God Is Not Great, by the politically confused Christopher Hitchens, another stuffy Brit, and Sam Harris’ Letter to A Christian Nation, which, thanks to Dawkins and laura, I’m reading now. The lamentable truth is that The God Delusion is unlikely to reach those who could most benefit from it –even if they were to actually read it. Faith that allows reason is weak in the knees.
Dawkins’ wants The God Delusion to incite consciousness-raising – actually rationality-raising, if you ask me, given Dawkins hypothesis that an increase in reason will yield a decrease in delusions of holy imaginary friends. He repeatedly turns to the women’s movement for examples of consciousness-raising as a strategic zeitgeist-changer. But the successes of the women’s movement have taken time, and are still taking yet more time. Collective consciousness rises ploddingly. How much time do we have before the jihadists or a General Boynton, lusting for Armageddon, blow us all to smithereens? I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure that Richard Dawkins is running out of patience.
Dawkins’ arguments for not believing in God or the “perfection” of the Bible (or the Koran or whatever basic religious text you please) are strong, cogent, and thorough. But as my goodreads friend, laura (small L; I don’t know why) has already entertainingly said in a different way, he does not offer pithy sound bites for use in sudden throwdowns with hostile, bus-riding believers. It’s not Dawkins’ intention to arm us with atheist verbal weaponry. His expressed hope, rather, is that the lonely non-believer might find in his book a few measures of comfort, consolation, and community. Still, I admit that I have a certain smug Baptist nephew whose prefrontal cortex I now, after reading The God Delusion, imagine splaying with Dawkins’ logical observation that God cannot be both omniscient and omnipresent.
God walks into a bar. He calls out, “Barkeep!” (yes, Yahweh, old school God, says “barkeep”) “Draw me a Guinness!” The bartender places the frothy black liquid before the deity. God eyeballs it and booms (God can’t help but boom when he speaks): “I have changed my mind! I want a Sapphire martini!” The bartender gives God a look and says, “You can’t do that.” God grows indignant: “Whaaa-?! I can do whatever I want!” The bartender shakes his head. “You can’t change your mind,” he says. “But I am omnipotent!” “Look pal,” says the bartender, “didn’t you tell me last time you were in here you’re God the Omniscient?” “Yes, of course!” “Well, then, you can’t change your mind because when a mind changes it moves from a held thought to a previously unheld thought. But you say you know everything, including all thoughts all the time, thus for you there are no unheld thoughts, which means that changing your mind is something you cannot do, thus you cannot do everything, therefore you’re not omnipotent.” God seethes. “Look, you can be omnipotent or you can be omniscient. Not both. Your choice,” the bartender adds, smirking. So God calls forth a lightning bolt and smites the bartender, who bursts into flame. The bar burns to the ground. As God walks away, he mutters (boomingly), “I knew that was going to happen!”
If you don’t think that’s funny, blame my paraphrase, not Dawkins. He does like to joke around, though. And laura gets some jocular mileage herself out of calling Dawkins a “smarty-pants” British professor with a “holier-than-thou attitude,” although I suspect that her discomfort may largely arise from the fact that Dawkins’ own jokes tend to fall flat (he did do pretty well on Bill Maher’s show, though, so maybe it’s writing jokes that stumps him). He plays it smart. He quotes lots of funny people, like Woody Allen and Douglas Adams (who once was his bff, quite apparently). And he’s not really as all-fired mean or ungenerous as laura implies, but he is blunt, and he’s fed up with religious tyranny of all kinds and the wide slack we Westerners habitually cut religion lest it get its sensitive, little, millennia-old feelings hurt. He’s also damned sick, as we all well should be, of the mental and emotional religious abuses to which children are put every day – and we’re not just talking about the inexcusable pedophilia of certain religious “leaders,” either.
Rather than generate pro-atheist talking points, The God Delusion illuminates the rationale for atheism, answers old criticisms, and anticipates new ones. One thing Dawkins makes especially clear is that religion and atheism are not two sides of the same coin. They are not coequal ends of some human belief spectrum. Faith is the (stubborn) adherence to an idea despite a lack of evidence for it. In fact, it seems that the more evidence against an idea (like virgin birth) mounts, the more obstinate grows the believer’s insistence upon it. In the parlance of faith, this is known as “strength.” Atheism (or rationality – Dawkins uses “atheism” and “reason” pretty much interchangeably), does rely on evidence. What atheism knows about the universe is not hard and fast, it’s open, and it changes and adapts and grows as new discoveries are made and new evidence is revealed. Inert, unchanging, incurious faith does not balance the rational appetite for knowledge.
My nephew would so rail and flail at me! He would hurl all sizes and shapes of disputation cherry-picked from King James’ centuries-old, “infallible” text (that can get barely even one of its own stories straight) directly at my head. Yet I doubt that the little Levitican has ever considered how decimated our family would be if we were to stone to death all its adulterers and pre-marital partiers, then sell our sisters (one being his mother) into slavery, or that he’s ever allowed himself to be puzzled by “infinite regress” (or, put vertically, the notion that it’s “turtles all the way down”) and why any god presumed to be at the “end” of that infinity must therefore be one that begat Jesus. Could he entertain the thought that all believers are atheists when it comes to religions other than their own? I don’t think so. I should just leave his brain be, I think. And give my own a break.
A sadness thus overhangs this book and all its kin, such as God Is Not Great, by the politically confused Christopher Hitchens, another stuffy Brit, and Sam Harris’ Letter to A Christian Nation, which, thanks to Dawkins and laura, I’m reading now. The lamentable truth is that The God Delusion is unlikely to reach those who could most benefit from it –even if they were to actually read it. Faith that allows reason is weak in the knees.
Dawkins’ wants The God Delusion to incite consciousness-raising – actually rationality-raising, if you ask me, given Dawkins hypothesis that an increase in reason will yield a decrease in delusions of holy imaginary friends. He repeatedly turns to the women’s movement for examples of consciousness-raising as a strategic zeitgeist-changer. But the successes of the women’s movement have taken time, and are still taking yet more time. Collective consciousness rises ploddingly. How much time do we have before the jihadists or a General Boynton, lusting for Armageddon, blow us all to smithereens? I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure that Richard Dawkins is running out of patience.
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“We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
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May 30, 2008 03:57pm
Surly Christians on buses, I don't believe it. And they don't just appear, they pay their fare and sit down like the rest of us. Also, I find that when a fellow passenger of strong faith sits next to me; pulling out a copy of "The Happy Hooker" sends them to another seat fast enough.
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"Ouch! My prefrontal cortex is generating neon Buddhas that are burning the surface of my retinas.......even though vision is NOT a sense processed by the prefrontal cortex! I don't believe it! I can't believe it! My brain does not have the capacity to envision other ways of thinking and contrary concepts besides regenerating those dusty age-worn tales placed into my brain by philistines when I was just a little lamb...BAAAAAA."
Quote from "The Levitican Handbook" (not real people)
Now, to quote someone quotable:
"There are only two things I am certain of: human stupidity and the creation of the universe. And I am not sure about the universe." A.E.
Please check "My Quotes" for the actual quote.
Hosannah, Fred. C'mon, you know the entire score of "Jesus Christ Superstar".And another good one that gets your bus mate to move is "The Satanic Verses".
Jill and Fred -Thanks for reading and thanks for your comments and very special thanks for your helpful hints on warding off unwelcome entities. Another good talisman is The Last Testament of Christ (especially the dvd), but my backpack gets heavy carrying around a damn library, so a real quick solution is to jump from your seat, point at the person, and start screaming, "Cannibal!" It's harsh, yeah, but it works every time.
Dawkins, a scientist himself (evolutionary biologist, if I recall) has a lot to say about Einstein, his unique use of the word "god," and the common misconception that Einstein was a believer. You can use The God Delusion's index as a refernce, if you wanna. I'd loan you my copy.
Testament or Temptation of Christ????? I also, find that that horrid screach that Donald Sutherland uses in "Invation of the Body Snatchers" rather good too.
Oops. You're right. "Temptation." I feel so ashamed.And I forgot to mention previously: I dare not reveal on this website what my middle H stands for. But rest assured that it's not Holy.
Patrick,Dictionary definitions are one thing, but I don't think that your definitions of agnosticism and atheism are correct. I don't want to debate them. I just think that you have them - and Dawkins - wrong.
Dawkins very plainly states that if he were to one day be given real proof of god's existence, he would accept it. According to you, that makes him an agnostic. I'm pretty sure he would disagree, and I don't think that a debate between you two about what he is or isn't would be worthwhile.
Also, it's not Dawkins or my or anyone else's responsibility to provide proof of nonexistence - of god, fairies, Santa Claus, or anything else. What is adequate proof of nonexistence? However, if someone claims something doe exist, they ought to be able to provide evidence of it. Imagining that proof of god may lie in some hidden corner of the universe doesn't shift the burden of proof, and challenging non-believers to prove that god doesn't exist is a cheap distraction.
As far as the omniscience/omnipotence thing goes, you're right - as long as this god that can be both at once is what you define him to be. Maybe god doesn't need to follow logic, but language is an invention of humans and language has to follow logic or it won't be very effective at communication. This is more than semantics. Words mean what we, humans, assign them to mean (yes, word-meanings are fluid and changing, but the meanings for omnisicence and omnipotence are pretty well set for now). Language is especially dependent on logic when it comes to words, such as the two omnis, that signify abstract concepts. Precision counts. We understand that it's a logical impossibility for someone or something to be both omniscient and omnipotent at once because we rely on the constancy of the definitions of our human-generated language. It's simply capricious to say that god can be both omniscient and omnipotent if he wants to be. It's like saying language means nothing when you talk about god - another logical impossibility.
Thanks for your comment.
Patrick,In your first comment, you contradict yourself on your definitions of atheism and agnosticism.
First you quote the dictionary.com definition of atheism, then you redefine it - and agnosticism - for yourself, suggesting that any uncertainty hovering about one's disbelief in god makes a person an agnostic, not an atheist. That's not what your dictionary.com definition said. Dic.com didn't address uncertainty one way or the other.
(By the way, "ultimate knowledge" and "god" are not synonymous.)
Dictionary entries don't fully define. They merely do it sufficiently. Which is why you were (rightly) compelled to elaborate - and to provide your own definitions for these two words.
And that's where I disagree with you. Atheism is not necessarily or definitionally absolutist or unbending (neither is Richard Dawkins). It is only an absence of belief in god.
Dawkins addresses all this quite well in his book, as well as the charge that he is as fundamentalist as a . . . well, fundamentalist. Maybe you skipped those parts.
Thanks again.
Comment about the bar joke:the joke argues that god can not be omniniscent and omnipotent at the same time. But in fact, the lesson from the joke is that god can not be omnimiscent, omnipotent AND change his mind at the same time. So, he does not have to choose one as long as he does not change his mind :)))
// Also, I do much of my reading on the bus, and you never know when some surly Christian’s going to appear in the seat next to you. //Hahaha, I read the whole book and all of it while in the Bus. Though for me, I like putting it up so high up my head so people can notice what I'm reading, Mwahahahaha.
