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Batman by Kevin Smith
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Jul 21, 2011

did not like it
bookshelves: comics, graphic-novels, read-in-2011
Read from July 21 to 23, 2011

1.5 stars
This is the sequel to Batman: Cacophony, which wasn't all that good, but I didn't hate it. The Widening Gyre? Well, a more appropriate name for it would be, Batman Goes Retarded .
Unless the majority of this story turns out to be some sort of drug-induced dream sequence, then this is quite possibly one of the dumbest Batman plots I've ever read.
Read it for yourself, if you don't believe me.
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message 1: by Michael (last edited Oct 27, 2012 06:10PM) (new)

Michael there is worse news. Kevin Smith wants to write a sequel called Batman: Bellicosity.

message 2: by Anne (new) - rated it 1 star

Anne Where does he come up with these pretentious names?

message 3: by Michael (new)

Michael I don't know, off the top of his head I guess.

message 4: by Michael (new)

Michael Do you want to know what's the worst thing. He went out of his way to bash the dark knight rises and laugh at the plot holes in that movie but he's completely oblivious to how bad his batman stuff is.

message 5: by Anne (new) - rated it 1 star

Anne I'm not a fan of Kevin Smith's comics, but I used to appreciate that he was a huge fanboy, so I would always cut him some slack. Until I read this crap. You're right, he must be oblivious to how awful his writing is, especially if he has the nuts to poke fun of someone else. I guess the editors figured name recognition would sell books, because otherwise I can't understand how he managed to get any gigs in the comic industry.

message 6: by Michael (new)

Michael I used to have respect for him as well, I was forgiving for a lot of his bad writing because he was a comic fan and made very good points about how Hollywood can turn the good things in comics into garbage. I'm not a huge fan of his work but he's capable of doing some great stuff regardless, but when he has the nerve to poke fun at someone else's batman work while he delivers this its just low and hypocritical. I've just lost all respect for him because of that, I know the dark knight rises wasn't a perfect film but Kevin smiths work is an abomination in comparison and by bashing it the way he did made me lose all respect for him.

message 7: by Sam (last edited Jan 12, 2013 06:03PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sam Quixote To be fair, he did a 4 hour podcast shortly after the film came out where he spent the entire time talking about how much he loved it. In the same series of podcasts, he recently revisited the film with a different guest, one who didn't care for the film, and together they cheerfully bashed it. But Smith has said he truly loves the film and the Nolan Trilogy unabashedly. But like any true fan, he can see its flaws too - but I wouldn't say his position on "Rises" is negative, even if he has questioned some of Nolan/Bale's choices for Batman.

Neil I don't have a problem with him writing this book and then giving criticism to TDKR. He has the right to express his opinion regardless of his own work. What I do have a problem with is his vehement hatred of critics who gave Cop Out bad reviews.
I'm still a huge Kevin Smith fan, but the way he went against critics of Cop Out so harshly makes it really hard for me to take his criticism of other people seriously. And it wasn't even just critics that hated Cop Out,most of his own fans(myself included) were the ones who were the most disappointed by it. I still love him and his work, but he's gone a bit crazy in recent years.

message 9: by Sam (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sam Quixote "Recent years" - coincidentally about the same time he began smoking pot 24/7. Still looking forward to Clerks 3. I guess that retiring from directing thing didn't work out.

message 10: by Neil (new) - rated it 3 stars

Neil I don't know about Clerks 3. I thought Clerks 2 was just about the most perfect ending to Dante and Randal's story, and also to The View Askewniverse as a whole. We haven't really seen any of the signature Kevin Smith movies since after he started smoking pot, so I really hope that he hasn't lost touch with those characters. I'll keep an open mind until the movie comes out though.

message 11: by Anne (new) - rated it 1 star

Anne Most of the people I know smoke pot every now and then, but 24/7 might be a bit extreme. I've never really read an 'awesome' comic that he's written, but to be fair I haven't read much of his stuff. Do you guys have any recommendations that might make me think he once deserved all the hype that surrounds him?

message 12: by Sam (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sam Quixote I haven't read it but I hear his Green Arrow run from 10 years ago is outstanding.

message 13: by Neil (new) - rated it 3 stars

Neil I've also heard great things about his Green Arrow run. I'd check out some of his films. The films that are often considered his best (Clerks and Chasing Amy) are both streaming on Netflix.

message 14: by Sam (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sam Quixote Have you watched either recently? They don't really hold up well, especially Chasing Amy which is near unwatchable in parts.

message 15: by Neil (last edited Sep 08, 2013 03:03PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Neil I've only seen Chasing Amy once, and that was about a year ago. I remember really liking it the first time I watched it, though. I've seen Clerks many times, and it's still one of my favorite films. I think I respect it more than anything else. Just the fact that it was made on such a low budget, nobody in it had worked on a movie before and it isn't crap is really inspiring to me creatively. The movie is still really flawed, but I think if those flaws weren't there it just wouldn't be the same. I'd love to hear what changed for you upon revisiting the movies, and what Kevin Smith movies you consider to be his best

message 16: by Anne (new) - rated it 1 star

Anne I read Quiver, where he brought GA back from the dead, and it was ok. Not amazing, ok. And I saw Clerks and Chasing Amy when they first came out...a million years ago. lol! I'm old! Both were ok for indies back in day.

message 17: by Sam (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sam Quixote Now I think about it, I’m not sure I ever liked Clerks or Chasing Amy. I came to both movies in my early 20s and thought Clerks was very shallow and clearly made and written by kids. It was a series of unfunny sketches badly acted and shot in black and white – a 90s indie darling that when viewed years from its release loses its appeal. Chasing Amy was just stupid. It wanted to be a grown-up serious art film that centred around the absurd conceit of “turning” a lesbian.

Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back is maybe Smith’s best film because it features the kind of humour Smith’s best at and blends in his beloved pop culture references, and Clerks 2 has some great moments too. Otherwise, I’d say he’s a mediocre filmmaker at best and the same goes for his comics work.

Though I will say he seems like a genuinely interesting guy and some of his podcasts and Q&A shows are worth listening to.

message 18: by Anne (new) - rated it 1 star

Anne Maybe that's his talent? He's interesting to listen to. Hmmm. I never watched anything of his besides those 2 movies..I think. I had the same opinion of Clerks as you did, Sam. It seemed like it was written by a very talented 12 year old. And Chasing Amy? Again, fantasy about a lesbian turning straight for the 'right' guy. Seemed like it was written by a kid who didn't understand how things like that really worked.

message 19: by Neil (last edited Sep 09, 2013 04:56PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Neil I definitely agree that he seems like a cool guy, and his podcasts and Q&As are far superior to his films. As I said, Clerks is a movie that I respect more than like. I still find myself rewatching it quite a bit though. I do think Chasing Amy would have been better if there wasn't a romance between Affleck and Adams. There's the scene where he confesses his love for her, and then she walks out of the car pissed off. Then a couple minutes later they're having sex. I think it would've been better if it had shown a more realistic take on a man trying to get together with a lesbian, and how that's not a good idea. I might have to rewatch it and see how it holds up.

I agree that Jay and Silent Bob is probably his funniest movie, and it does the best job at keeping a consistent tone. Clerks 2 is my favorite of his movies, but it has a lot of scenes that felt out of place(particularly the random dance scene.) I haven't really liked any of his non Askewniverse movies. Jersey Girl is boring and predictable, Zack and Miri make a Porno had a few laughs but seemed more like Kevin Smith trying to make an Apatow movie, Cop Out lacks any passion and Red State could have been good in the hands of the right director but just felt lifeless directed by Smith. I think he should stick to podcasts and lay off the weed.

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