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World of Shakespeare: The Complete Plays and Sonnets of William Shakespeare (38 Volume Library)
by William Shakespeare
by William Shakespeare
Reflecting on the oeuvre of Shakespeare, I can’t shake a perverse idea: the Bard is underrated. And I think this feeling is tied to the contradictory knowledge that he is enormous, creating the master shadow in which all others dissolve. He’s the Platonic Form that has made possible, via subsequent authorial study and unconscious absorption, so many of the variations of what we consider the best in literature. The introspection and characterization of Woolf. The zaniness in Melville, Pynchon, and David Foster Wallace. That ‘disease’, love, in Proust. The soul-searching and linguistic proficiency of Joyce. The paradoxical mix of nihilism and hope in McCarthy. The exuberant wordplay of Nabokov. The tragicomedy of Faulkner. Dostoevksy’s meditations on evil, ambition, and the horrifying acts of which we are capable. It’s all there, centuries prior, in the great prolepsis that is Shakespeare.
LOVE
Hang there like fruit, my soul,
Till the tree die.
-Cymbeline
What you do,
Still betters what is done. When you speak, sweet,
I’d have you do it ever: when you sing,
I’d have you buy and sell so, so give alms,
Pray so, and, for the ord’ring your affairs,
To sing them too: when you do dance, I wish you
A wave o’ the sea, that you might ever do
Nothing but that, move still, still so,
And own no other function. Each your doing,
So singular in each particular,
Crowns what you are doing, in the present deeds,
That all your acts are queens.
-The Winter’s Tale
Troilus: This is the monstruosity in love, lady: that the will is infinite,
and the execution confined: that the desire is boundless, and the
act a slave to limit.
Cressida: They say all lovers swear more performance than they are able,
and yet reserve an ability that they never perform: vowing more
than the perfection of ten, and discharging less than the tenth
part of one.
-Troilus and Cressida
But to be frank and give it thee again;
And yet I wish but for the thing I have.
My bounty is as boundless as the sea,
My love as deep: The more I give to thee
The more I have, for both are infinite.
-Romeo and Juliet
So in considering what Shakespeare anticipated and achieved, the underrating is almost inevitable. But I also think it’s related to the perception that reading Shakespeare is the literary equivalent of forcing yourself to eat healthier, to drag yourself to the gym, to decline a night out in order to guarantee adequate sleep. It’s good for us, so let’s get on with it (or, more often, not). Likely this sense of unpleasant edification is instilled in grade school, at which time most of us are confronted with a confusing combination of experiences upon being assigned a Shakespeare play: that of hearing the Bard’s work extolled to impossible heights by our teacher, and the disappointment of the actual, difficult, strangely-worded reading experience.
But are most of Shakespeare’s plays even edifying? And if so, edifying in what sense? Aesthetically, the answer is unequivocal, but as with the imbibing of Dostoevksy’s Underground Man, the absorption of many of these plays* with their nihilistic and misanthropic aspects can lead to feelings of deep disquiet and a heightened awareness that seems at once empowering and exquisitely desolate. For me, there’s something almost unhealthily addicting about Shakespeare; it’s as if he’s holding up a fun-house mirror in which I can see life as it almost is, or could be, or would be if it weren’t for certain social pressures or any number of complicating aspects that Shakespeare can and does control in his plotting. Or maybe it even shows life as it actually is, and me as I really am. And so I can’t turn away, seeking ever for a clearer, deeper, more complete vision of what I can’t help but feel is true and painful and intoxicating and sick and erotic and poignant and disappointing.
* e.g. Troilus and Cressida, All’s Well That Ends Well, The Merchant of Venice, King Lear, Measure for Measure, Othello, Hamlet, Macbeth, et al.
DEATH
This world’s a city full of straying streets,
And death’s the market-place, where each one meets.
-The Two Noble Kinsmen
If I must die,
I will encounter darkness as a bride
And hug it in mine arms.
-Measure for Measure
I wasted time, and now doth time waste me.
-Richard II
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
-Macbeth
In spite of the depravity he often shares with us in his plays and in spite of what has historically crept into criticism, Shakespeare is anything but moralistic. Redeemed characters generally remain problematic, and most of the wedded endings leave the audience with more discomfort than joy, aware that these relationships are doomed based on five acts of intimation. Shakespeare’s not out to steer us toward or away from something; rather, he shows us the abyss into which, being born, we all must sink—an abyss lined with delights, sparse and temporary as they may be, that encourage us to say with Falstaff: “Give me life.”
LIFE
I like not such grinning honour as Sir Walter hath. Give me life;
which if I can save, so: if not, honour comes unlooked for,
and there’s an end.
-Henry IV, Part I
The web of our life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together; our
virtues would be proud if our faults whipp’d them not, and our
crimes would despair if they were not cherish’d by our virtues.
-All’s Well That Ends Well
Shallow: Ha, cousin Silence, that thou hadst seen that that this knight
and I have seen! Ha, Sir John, said I well?
Falstaff: We have heard the chimes at midnight, Master Shallow.
-Henry IV, Part II
‘Tis still a dream: or else such stuff as madmen
Tongue and brain not: either both, or nothing,
Or senseless speaking, or a speaking such
As sense cannot untie. Be what it is,
The action of my life is like it, which
I’ll keep, if but for sympathy.
-Cymbeline
“You can’t really sum that geezer up, really, in a nifty sentence. Because everything about him is contrary.” This is Noel Gallagher on Morrissey, but it could very well be describing the genius of the Bard, whose ostensible breadth of human knowledge and internal experience is nonpareil. Socrates’ unexamined life may not be worth living, but internalizing Shakespeare would certainly seem to satisfy the requirement. His plays and sonnets give the impression of containing the full range of human emotions and motivations, of existing as the Hegelian Absolute that comprises all dialectical opposites (or “contraries”, to stick with the Morrissey comparison). Reading Shakespeare, as with Proust’s novel, has been one of those impossibly rewarding experiences, provoking endless reflection on the world, on existence, on others, on myself. And yet, having finished the complete writings, I already know that Nabokov was correct in insisting that "curiously enough, one cannot read a book; one can only reread it."
LOVE
Hang there like fruit, my soul,
Till the tree die.
-Cymbeline
What you do,
Still betters what is done. When you speak, sweet,
I’d have you do it ever: when you sing,
I’d have you buy and sell so, so give alms,
Pray so, and, for the ord’ring your affairs,
To sing them too: when you do dance, I wish you
A wave o’ the sea, that you might ever do
Nothing but that, move still, still so,
And own no other function. Each your doing,
So singular in each particular,
Crowns what you are doing, in the present deeds,
That all your acts are queens.
-The Winter’s Tale
Troilus: This is the monstruosity in love, lady: that the will is infinite,
and the execution confined: that the desire is boundless, and the
act a slave to limit.
Cressida: They say all lovers swear more performance than they are able,
and yet reserve an ability that they never perform: vowing more
than the perfection of ten, and discharging less than the tenth
part of one.
-Troilus and Cressida
But to be frank and give it thee again;
And yet I wish but for the thing I have.
My bounty is as boundless as the sea,
My love as deep: The more I give to thee
The more I have, for both are infinite.
-Romeo and Juliet
So in considering what Shakespeare anticipated and achieved, the underrating is almost inevitable. But I also think it’s related to the perception that reading Shakespeare is the literary equivalent of forcing yourself to eat healthier, to drag yourself to the gym, to decline a night out in order to guarantee adequate sleep. It’s good for us, so let’s get on with it (or, more often, not). Likely this sense of unpleasant edification is instilled in grade school, at which time most of us are confronted with a confusing combination of experiences upon being assigned a Shakespeare play: that of hearing the Bard’s work extolled to impossible heights by our teacher, and the disappointment of the actual, difficult, strangely-worded reading experience.
But are most of Shakespeare’s plays even edifying? And if so, edifying in what sense? Aesthetically, the answer is unequivocal, but as with the imbibing of Dostoevksy’s Underground Man, the absorption of many of these plays* with their nihilistic and misanthropic aspects can lead to feelings of deep disquiet and a heightened awareness that seems at once empowering and exquisitely desolate. For me, there’s something almost unhealthily addicting about Shakespeare; it’s as if he’s holding up a fun-house mirror in which I can see life as it almost is, or could be, or would be if it weren’t for certain social pressures or any number of complicating aspects that Shakespeare can and does control in his plotting. Or maybe it even shows life as it actually is, and me as I really am. And so I can’t turn away, seeking ever for a clearer, deeper, more complete vision of what I can’t help but feel is true and painful and intoxicating and sick and erotic and poignant and disappointing.
* e.g. Troilus and Cressida, All’s Well That Ends Well, The Merchant of Venice, King Lear, Measure for Measure, Othello, Hamlet, Macbeth, et al.
DEATH
This world’s a city full of straying streets,
And death’s the market-place, where each one meets.
-The Two Noble Kinsmen
If I must die,
I will encounter darkness as a bride
And hug it in mine arms.
-Measure for Measure
I wasted time, and now doth time waste me.
-Richard II
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
-Macbeth
In spite of the depravity he often shares with us in his plays and in spite of what has historically crept into criticism, Shakespeare is anything but moralistic. Redeemed characters generally remain problematic, and most of the wedded endings leave the audience with more discomfort than joy, aware that these relationships are doomed based on five acts of intimation. Shakespeare’s not out to steer us toward or away from something; rather, he shows us the abyss into which, being born, we all must sink—an abyss lined with delights, sparse and temporary as they may be, that encourage us to say with Falstaff: “Give me life.”
LIFE
I like not such grinning honour as Sir Walter hath. Give me life;
which if I can save, so: if not, honour comes unlooked for,
and there’s an end.
-Henry IV, Part I
The web of our life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together; our
virtues would be proud if our faults whipp’d them not, and our
crimes would despair if they were not cherish’d by our virtues.
-All’s Well That Ends Well
Shallow: Ha, cousin Silence, that thou hadst seen that that this knight
and I have seen! Ha, Sir John, said I well?
Falstaff: We have heard the chimes at midnight, Master Shallow.
-Henry IV, Part II
‘Tis still a dream: or else such stuff as madmen
Tongue and brain not: either both, or nothing,
Or senseless speaking, or a speaking such
As sense cannot untie. Be what it is,
The action of my life is like it, which
I’ll keep, if but for sympathy.
-Cymbeline
“You can’t really sum that geezer up, really, in a nifty sentence. Because everything about him is contrary.” This is Noel Gallagher on Morrissey, but it could very well be describing the genius of the Bard, whose ostensible breadth of human knowledge and internal experience is nonpareil. Socrates’ unexamined life may not be worth living, but internalizing Shakespeare would certainly seem to satisfy the requirement. His plays and sonnets give the impression of containing the full range of human emotions and motivations, of existing as the Hegelian Absolute that comprises all dialectical opposites (or “contraries”, to stick with the Morrissey comparison). Reading Shakespeare, as with Proust’s novel, has been one of those impossibly rewarding experiences, provoking endless reflection on the world, on existence, on others, on myself. And yet, having finished the complete writings, I already know that Nabokov was correct in insisting that "curiously enough, one cannot read a book; one can only reread it."
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I knew you were up to the challenge, Wisp. You've delivered an excellent valedictory here. But IN RE:
Likely this sense of unpleasant edification is instilled in grade school, at which time most of us are confronted with a confusing combination of experiences upon being assigned a Shakespeare play.
You had to read Shakespeare in grade school? Is this common? It was only a high school (and college) thing for me.
Thanks, Kowalski!Yeah, Julius Caesar in middle school. 7th grade, I think? We even had to memorize some chunks of it. Also, Romeo and Juliet, maybe even earlier (pre-Baz Luhrmann film). But high school didn't really learn me too well with Shakespeare either.
I just remembered that you're the one who talked me into reading some Shakespeare a couple years back; the conversation is maybe still floating around in some random comment section. Where would I be without you?
Bram wrote: "Where would I be without you?"Probably wearing a beanie with a propeller and making pictures of farm animals with glitter paint and cotton balls glued to construction paper.
Or, alternately, without my interference, your intellect would have achieved optimization by now and metastasized into a blinding light which subsumes all in its wake.
My money's on the latter.
Shakespeare belongs to everyone. (But I gave you Woody Allen. Heh. How's your progress, by the way? Have you seen them all yet? I'd like a Woody Allen valedictory when the time comes too...)
Ok fine, I rescind Shakespeare credit. Here are the films I have still to see:
-Take the Money and Run
-What's Up, Pussycat? (I know he didn't direct, but still)
-What's Up, Tiger Lily?
-September
-Don't Drink the Water
-The Curse of the Jade Scorpion
When I'm finished, I'll wander back over to your Woody bio thread to argue in favor of some of the newer films. Get the gloves out.
Those are the ONLY ones you haven't seen? I am very, very impressed. (You've saved two stinkers for the end though—September and The Curse of the Jade Scorpion. In fact, the only really enjoyable one in that group is Take the Money and Run.) Also, another one he didn't direct—but is very good—is Play It Again Sam. I don't know if you've seen that one.I like some of the newer films! So you may not get an argument from me.
I recently compiled a NEW ranking of Woody Allen. (The world has really been demanding one, hasn't it?) At the risk of taking a dump on your Shakespeare thread, I am copying it here. Compare and contrast with your own feelings... (I still haven't seen Cassandra's Dream. Isn't that shameful?)
1. Manhattan - 5 stars
2. Manhattan Murder Mystery - 5 stars
3. Annie Hall - 5 stars
4. Hannah and Her Sisters - 5 stars
5. Crimes and Misdemeanors - 5 stars
6. Husbands and Wives - 4.5 stars
7. Love and Death - 4 stars
8. Interiors - 4 stars
9. Broadway Danny Rose - 4 stars
10. Sleeper - 4 stars
11. Deconstructing Harry - 4 stars
13. Mighty Aphrodite - 4 stars
14. Stardust Memories - 3.5 stars
15. Bullets Over Broadway - 3.5 stars
16. Vicky Cristina Barcelona - 3.5 stars
(17. Play It Again Sam - 3.5 stars)
18. Another Woman - 3.5 stars
19. You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger - 3.5 stars
20. Anything Else - 3.5 stars
21. Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy - 3 stars
22. Radio Days - 3 stars
23. The Purple Rose of Cairo - 3 stars
24. Everyone Says I Love You - 3 stars
25. Match Point - 3 stars
26. Melinda and Melinda - 3 stars
27. Alice - 3 stars
(28. The Front - 3 stars)
29. Zelig - 3 stars
30. Take the Money and Run - 3 stars
31. Midnight in Paris - 3 stars
(32. Wild Man Blues - 3 stars)
33. Small Time Crooks - 3 stars
34. Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex - 2.5 stars
35. Scoop - 2.5 stars
36. Sweet and Lowdown - 2.5 stars
37. Shadows and Fog - 2.5 stars
38. Bananas - 2.5 stars
39. Whatever Works - 2 stars
40. September - 2 stars
41. Celebrity - 2 stars
42. What's Up Tiger Lily? - 2 stars
43. The Curse of the Jade Scorpion - 2 stars
44. Hollywood Ending - 2 stars
(45. Scenes from a Mall - 2 stars)
(46. King Lear - 1.5 stars)
Ooooh, I like this. Ok, I'm going to go to bed and make up a list in the morning. Then Thunderdome. And yes, that is shameful, especially because Cassandra's Dream is not half as bad as it's supposed to be. I actually liked it quite a bit.
What the hell is King Lear?
What the hell is King Lear?King Lear was an 'adaptation' of the Shakespeare play by Jean-Luc Godard (a filmmaker I love but not in this case). It's completely unintelligible. Woody Allen agreed to appear in it because he's a big Godard fan, but he has admitted that he has no idea what the thing is about. The film was more notable because Norman Mailer and his daughter agreed to appear in it as Lear and Cordelia, but Mailer was having none of this pomo bullshit, so he and his daughter stormed off the set before finishing their parts. Godard did something very Godardian—he kept their unfinished scenes in the film as well as the scenes of their replacements... Burgess Meredith and Molly Ringwald!
Anyway, I look forward to seeing your list, and I will see Cassandra's Dream (I've owned it for quite a while!) and I'll see if you're right. I'm not a fan of Ewan McGregor or Colin Farrell though. That's why I've avoided it.
Thanks Moira! Colin Farrell does great work in the movie, I think, and Ewan McGregor is pretty good in his role as well. There's also an excellent Philip Glass score.
That's really interesting about Lear...might have to check it out regardless.
Ok, here's my list. Some of the best movies were ones I saw longest ago, so I need to do some rewatching soon. I also need to see Midnight in Paris again; perhaps I've overrated it, but I had such a great time watching it in the theater. Oh, and you don't have a #12 in your list. 1. Manhattan - 5 stars
2. Vicky Cristina Barcelona - 5 stars
3. Crimes and Misdemeanors - 5 stars
4. Midnight in Paris - 5 stars
5. Hannah and Her Sisters - 5 stars
6. Manhattan Murder Mystery – 4.5 stars
7. Interiors – 4.5 stars
8. Annie Hall – 4.5 stars
9. Husbands and Wives - 4.5 stars
10. Broadway Danny Rose – 4.5 stars
11. Another Woman - 4 stars
(12. Play It Again Sam - 4 stars)
13. Shadows and Fog - 4 stars
14. Bullets Over Broadway - 4 stars
15. Match Point - 4 stars
16. Sleeper - 4 stars
17. Zelig - 4 stars
18. The Purple Rose of Cairo – 4 stars
19. Mighty Aphrodite - 4 stars
20. Cassandra’s Dream – 3.5 stars
21. Love and Death – 3.5 stars
22. Sweet and Lowdown – 3.5 stars
23. You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger - 3.5 stars
(24. Wild Man Blues – 3.5 stars)
25. Deconstructing Harry - 3 stars
26. Stardust Memories - 3 stars
27. Small Time Crooks - 3 stars
28. Everyone Says I Love You - 3 stars
29. Radio Days - 3 stars
30. Anything Else - 3 stars
31. Melinda and Melinda - 3 stars
32. Bananas - 3 stars
33. Whatever Works - 3 stars
34. Alice - 3 stars
35. Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex - 2.5 stars
36. Scoop - 2.5 stars
37. Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy - 2 stars
38. Hollywood Ending - 2 stars
39. Celebrity - 2 stars
And here's a rough Shakespeare list. The 10-25 spots are all pretty iffy...could be a lot of rearranging over time. 1) Hamlet - 5 stars
2) King Lear - 5 stars
3) Henry V - 5 stars
4) A Midsummer Night's Dream - 5 stars
5) The Winter's Tale - 5 stars
6) The Tempest - 5 stars
7) Henry IV, Part 1 - 5 stars
8) Henry IV, Part 2 - 4.5 stars
9) Antony and Cleopatra - 4.5 stars
10) The Merchant of Venice - 4.5 stars
11) Othello - 4.5 stars
12) As You Like It - 4.5 stars
13) Measure for Measure - 4 stars
14) Macbeth - 4 stars
15) Romeo and Juliet - 4 stars
16) Troilus and Cressida - 4 stars
17) Richard II - 4 stars
18) All's Well That Ends Well - 4 stars
19) Much Ado about Nothing - 4 stars
20) Coriolanus - 4 stars
21) Julius Caesar - 4 stars
22) Richard III - 4 stars
23) Twelfth Night - 4 stars
24) Love’s Labor’s Lost - 4 stars
25) Cymbeline - 4 stars
26) Henry VI, Part 2 - 3.5 stars
27) Titus Andronicus - 3.5 stars
28) King John - 3.5 stars
29) Pericles Prince of Tyre - 3.5 stars
30) The Taming of the Shrew - 3 stars
31) Timon of Athens - 3 stars
32) The Comedy of Errors - 3 stars
33) Henry VI, Part 3 - 3 stars
34) The Two Gentlemen of Verona - 2.5 stars
35) The Two Noble Kinsmen - 2.5 stars
36) Henry VIII - 2 stars
37) The Merry Wives of Windsor - 2 stars
38) Henry VI, Part 1 - 2 stars
RE: Your Woody Allen list.Although of course I disagree with some particulars, I really do think our opinions are substantially similar on the whole. In other words, your list is very good!
A few stronger points of contention:
I know I'm in the minority here, but after I saw Midnight in Paris, I was surprised how everyone was going on about it. A Woody Allen movie about the Lost Generation in 1920s Paris? That should be a no-brainer, right? I should love it. But I didn't quite feel the 'magic.' More often than not, I felt bored by these stereotypical mini-portraits of the authors and artists that all belong to our cultural consciousness. (An exception would be Adrien Brody as Dali. He made me laugh, but he wasn't in the movie nearly long enough.) And the theme of cultural nostalgia as a dead end was kind of obligatory (to my mind) without really portraying the strong appeal of it. Also, I didn't like the actress who played Zelda Fitzgerald.
I've noticed a trend for me. I tend not to like Woody Allen's 'nostalgic' films as much -- the ones that take place partially or wholly in the first half of the 20th century (Radio Days, The Purple Rose of Cairo, Shadows and Fog, Zelig, Jade Scorpion). It's not that they're bad by any stretch of the imagination -- except for Scorpion; it's just that they all seem a little flat to me. The one exception is Bullets Over Broadway, which I love, but which is also peculiar because Allen had a co-writer for it. (Allen for the most gave up co-writers early in his career.) I think Sweet and Lowdown, however, is one of the most overrated films of his career. I've watched it twice, and both times I've been pretty bored by it.
I re-watched Vicky Cristina Barcelona recently and upgraded my opinion of it. I know we talked about this one before, and I was surprised by your strong enthusiasm for it. I am less surprised now. It's one of those films that goes up in your estimation from repeated viewings. (Although I think it's far from a five-star movie. Scarlett Johansson's performance will always be a weak link. She's sexy, sure, but she's also kind of stilted. And the voiceover narration I find grating and pretentious.)
I am glad to see that you agree with me on You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger. It's no masterpiece, but I think it was really underrated and very entertaining. I am also glad to see you placed Celebrity and Hollywood Ending at the bottom, otherwise I'd have to seriously question your sanity. Kenneth Branagh's Woody Allen impersonation is definitely one of the worst choices in Allen's entire oeuvre.
I am surprised to see how low you rated Deconstructing Harry. C'mon! There's some really funny stuff in there. The old Jewish guy who murdered his wife and then ate her. Kirstie Alley trying to counsel her patient while having a nervous breakdown. Cookie the prostitute. Good stuff!
Other than Vicky and Midnight, I completely endorse your top ten.
I am so glad you are now a Woody Allen fellow-traveler, Wisp! And one with great taste (for the most part)!
I will comment on your Shakespeare list (to the best of my limited ability) later. We don't need to replicate the Macbeth argument, to be sure, but really, Wisp?? 14?? Below The Winter's Tale, Antony and Cleopatra, and Measure for Measure?? Oh, the humanity...
Ah, what I'd give to have you come over to my little desert abode right now to have a drink (or ten) and talk over some Woody Allen and Shakespeare. GR comments are the next best thing, of course.I hadn't explicitly made the nostalgia connection between those films that you mention, but I see that aside from Radio Days (pretty boring, I thought) and Jade Scorpion, which I haven't seen, I have all the nostalgia flicks in my top 20. I guess this makes it less surprising that I fell hard for Midnight in Paris, but that film had the added benefit of being fundamentally about a time and place and characters that I hold dear (as I know you do), creating a sort of synergistic delight. But I'm also wondering how it will hold up on repeat viewings, since I agree that Zelda was not so great, nor Gertrude Stein. I thought Hemingway's lines were over the top in all the right ways, and F. Scott was quite good. I also appreciated the way Woody dealt so explicitly with nostalgia this time--making that concept the centerpiece of the film rather than having it simply sit there as the film's obvious raison d'etre. And there were many very funny moments, I thought, between Wilson and the pedant, the fiance, and her parents. Like his other movies of the last decade set outside of NY, this one was visually sumptuous. In terms of visual style and 'feel', there's no comparison between Whatever Works, Hollywood Ending, and Anything Else on the one hand, and VCB, Midnight in Paris, and Match Point on the other. Glad to see his next one was also shot in Europe. Anyway, we'll see how it holds up.
Excited to see that VCB has risen in your estimation. I've found it only improves with additional viewing (my most viewed Allen movie at around 5). Vicky's fiancee Doug delivers the best Woody stand-in performance by a country mile; understated, but one of my favorite performances in recent memory--hilarious and pathetic. I agree that SJ is the weakest link, but Cruz and Bardem are absolutely brilliant, and I love the equivocation between artistic bohemianism and staid (but still liberal) conventionalism, and how hard Woody hammers both of these idealized left-sided positions (going right at his own audience, of course). Much of this comes through in the voice-over, which for whatever reason, hits the right tone for me--sharply cutting, rather than pretentious to my ear. The soundtrack is great, and the ending, in which nothing has really changed for our two young women, is bleakly comic.
You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger was a pleasant surprise for me after seeing it dismissed by critics as forgettable and mediocre. Two films I need to rewatch are Deconstructing Harry and Stardust Memories; for some reason these two are confused in my mind, and I remember having a rather hard time sitting through them, which is unusual for me in general (regardless of whether it's Woody Allen). I think I may not have enough background film-watching experience to appreciate them fully.
With regard to Macbeth, I think that play was in part the victim (if you can call a 4-star reaction that) of being read too early. Reading Shakespeare obsessively over the last few weeks has significantly adjusted what I react to in the plays, and some of the things that bothered me or, alternatively, didn't fully thrill me would provoke a different response now. I'm also a bit bewildered by my initial interpretation of Lear, which seems pretty fucking starry-eyed. I guess living in the Middle East has made me a little more cynical, heh. Anyway, I really am looking forward to approaching many of the classic plays with a little more experience and reading maturity...could be some big ratings changes over time. But regardless, The Winter's Tale (the original pre-Proustian case of jealousy as intellectual torture) and Measure for Measure (I'm genuinely surprised you hated this) are great!
Haha! Ranking Shakespeare is a big problem...so hard to get a good sense of those that don't fall into the 'absolute favorite' category but are still great. The only problem with Richard II is that's it's the least memorable of that amazing historical cycle, despite the richness of language.But why does everyone hate on The Winter's Tale?
For the record, I think the top 25 are all fantastic; it was definitely hard to put some of them so low, but what can you do?
Actually, all my copies of Dosty spell it 'Dostoevsky' also. Huh, why is GR enamored with the extra 'y'?
I don't hate Winter's Tale. It just isn't one of his best. I also remember you thought the ending wasn't nearly as ridiculous as I did. But Richard II's language! And throughout! And the speech at the end and the politics and and and...I'm surprised that you'd say it's the least memorable of the cycle. Henry IV, part II. Much weaker.
i'll take a brief step outta retirement only b/c two of my favorite peeps are talking about some of my favorite shit... and getting it wrong! mailer didn't give a shit about the pomo nonsensicalness of godard's film (have ya seen mailer's films?), it was that godard wanted lear and cordelia to have a love scene... which meant, essentially, that mailer and his daughter'd have a love scene. (oh, how i love godard)... when godard refused to cut the scene, mailer and daughter fucked off. praise god(ard)!
A father and daughter playing a father and daughter having a love scene in a Shakespeare adaptation doesn't qualify as pomo hijinks? Pshaw.
spaces indicate 'tiers'1. Hannah and Her Sisters
2. Manhattan
3. Crimes and Misdemeanors
4. Annie Hall
5. Broadway Danny Rose
6. Interiors
7. Deconstructing Harry
8. Bullets Over Broadway
9. Sweet and Lowdown
10. Midnight in Paris
11. Stardust Memories
12. Another Woman
13. Husbands and Wives
14. Manhattan Murder Mystery
15. Vicky Christina Barcelona
16. Zelig
17. You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger
18. Love and Death
19. Everyone Says I Love You
20. The Purple Rose of Cairo
21. Sleeper
22. Radio Days
23. Anything Else
24. Melinda and Melinda
25. Shadows and Fog
26. Match Point
27. Take the Money and Run
28. Cassandra's Dream
29. September
30. Mighty Aphrodite
31. Alice
32. Small Time Crooks
33. Bananas
34. Everything You Wanted to Know About Sex
35. Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy
36. Whatever Works
37. Celebrity
38. Hollywood Ending
39. Curse of the Jade Scorpion
Ah, nice to see you rate Midnight in Paris so highly, brian. Looks like the three of us don't have too much to fight about here, although I see you guys didn't really like Shadows and Fog; strange film, but somehow it really worked for me. I'm intrigued about Lear...will try to see it.
Bram wrote: "Have either of you guys seen Don't Drink the Water?"I haven't. Was that a TV movie?
I'm willing to accept most of brian's list's foibles, BUT...
Putting Mighty Aphrodite in the lowest tier is completely unacceptable. I think you need to see it again and revise your opinion, jewboy.
And Midnight in Paris is WAY too high. (Above Husbands and Wives, Stardust Memories, and Manhattan Murder Mystery?? Puh-lease. You're insane.*)
Also, Small Time Crooks is a very slight trifle, but it's not THAT bad.
* I guess by the transitive property of equality, that makes you insane too, Wisp.
Bram wrote: "Why didn't you tell me I was misspelling Dostoyevsky? Embarrassing."How did you spell it? There are two common renderings of his name into English -- Dostoyevsky and Dostoevsky -- and I am sure there are other less common ones too.
I always spell it 'Dostoevsky.' I don't like the one with two Ys since 'ev' in Russian-to-English is always pronounced 'yev' anyway. 'Dostoyevsky' just looks off to me.
30. Mighty AphroditeThank you, Brian Gottlieb.
Then again:
8. Bullets Over Broadway
9. Sweet and Lowdown
Hmmmm.
Wait. Didn't we determine that you weren't thinking about the right movie when you were talking about Bullets Over Broadway, Michelle?
Sort of. I thought it had singing, but then I remembered I liked Everyone Says I Love You despite the singing, and didn't like Bullets. I was going to watch it again, but I never did. It is the only Woody Allen movie I've given fewer than three stars.
It is the only Woody Allen movie I've given fewer than three stars. THAT'S CRAZY! Firstly, because there are plenty of Woody Allen movies that deserve fewer than three stars. Second, because Bullets definitely ain't one of them. (It's even a good movie despite the fact that John Cusack is the lead. Now that's an achievement.)
It's Jennifer Tilly. I can't deal with her.Actually, I lied. I think there are a couple I rated 2.5 stars (Jade Scorpion, Hollywood Ending). I need to see Celebrity again because I am apparently in the minority for liking it. I just don't remember it being that bad.
I did? It must have been post-viewing afterglow. I did like it a lot, but I should probably wait until the next day to rate the movies I see.
P.S. I was so happy Bram rated Midnight in Paris five stars.(But...I saw it twice, and the second viewing knocked it down to four stars, but I'm not changing my rating.)
Thanks, Geoff!Michelle--I'm thinking that's going to happen to me as well with Midnight in Paris (but I hope not). I was a bit drunk when I saw it, which probably helped as well.
I know I'm striking while the iron is cold, but here are my Shakespeare rankings. I only rated the ones I remember reasonably well, and these ratings may not equal the ones I gave them on Goodreads because I am strange and mercurial.1. Macbeth - 5.5 stars (yup!)
2. King Lear - 5 stars
3. Richard III - 5 stars
4. A Midsummer Night's Dream - 5 stars
5. Hamlet - 4.5 stars
6. Richard II - 4 stars
7. Henry V - 4 stars
8. Julius Caesar - 4 stars
9. Henry IV Part 1 - 4 stars
10. Troilus and Cressida - 4 stars
11. Much Ado About Nothing - 4 stars
12. Titus Andronicus - 4 stars (mainly for reasons of campiness)
13. Twelfth Night - 3.5 stars
14. The Taming of the Shrew - 3.5 stars
15. The Merchant of Venice - 3.5 stars
16. Henry IV Part 2 - 3.5 stars
17. Othello - 3.5 stars
18. As You Like It - 3.5 stars
19. Romeo and Juliet - 3.5 stars
20. Antony and Cleopatra - 3 stars
21. Measure for Measure - 3 stars
22. Comedy of Errors - 3 stars
23. Coriolanus - 2.5 stars
24. Timon of Athens - 2 stars
I have read the following, but don't remember them well enough to rate: Love's Labor's Lost, Two Gentlemen of Verona, and possibly All's Well That Ends Well.
Great review. I should read more Shakespeare but I do admit to feeling a little overwhelmed by him... or maybe just by his reputation. I saw a production of Loves Labors Lost recently without having read the play or known the context and it was just quite confusing and over my head. I felt pretty dumb.Also, here's my Woody Allen list... I'm not as complete-ist as you guys, but I love his films, so please tell me what I should watch next...
Husbands and Wives - 5
Manhattan - 5
Hannah and Her Sisters - 5
Interiors - 4.5
Crimes and Misdemeanors - 4.5
Annie Hall - 4
Love and Death - 4
Play It Again Sam - 4
Match Point - 3.5
Stardust Memories - 3
Everything You Wanted to Know About Sex - 2
Melinda and Melinda - 1.5
That looks pretty good, Kowalski, except for 20 and 21--the horror! Those two are awesome. Have you seen the 1999 film of Richard III with Ian McKellen? I started watching it last week, but had to stop for some reason. Seemed very good though.
Thanks, Jimmy. Yeah, with Love's Labour's Lost in particular and Shakespeare in general, productions are a different beast--I'm a much worse listener than reader when it comes to comprehension, so quickly-delivered Shakespeare can be pretty tough for me to follow unless I'm already pretty familiar with it. I think LLL is the most difficult of Shakespeare's plays, actually. Lots of slang and wordplay that don't really get use anymore.
Have you seen the 1999 film of Richard III with Ian McKellen?I have. It's pretty good. It's not great, but enjoyable. One thing that bugs me about film adaptations of Richard III though is that they frequently omit the character of Queen Margaret, for reasons of length and clarity, I would guess. Queen Margaret is a fascinating character in that play and has some really great lines, so I miss her! In the Ian McKellen version, they give a few of her lines to Queen Elizabeth (Annette Bening), which doesn't really work for me. But I do love the use of fascism in the film.
Have you seen the Laurence Olivier version, Wisp? It's pretty good also. Like most Olivier adaptations, it's pretty literal and starchy, but it's enjoyable. (But it also omits Queen Margaret!)
You should also check out Al Pacino's hammy and occasionally ridiculous Looking for Richard, which is basically about a production of Richard III that Pacino wants to make. (This one actually has Queen Margaret, and she's played by Estelle Parsons.)
Really? You loved Antony and Cleopatra? It left me very ho-hum. Admittedly I was a young moron when I read it. Maybe now as an older moron, I'd like it more.
...they frequently omit the character of Queen Margaret...Ah, that really blows. Her tirade and prophesy of doom (for pretty much everyone) is one of the major highlights of the play.
I actually haven't seen any Olivier adaptations. So they're pretty good?
Jimmy, I'd say see Vicky Cristina Barcelona next or Woody's new flick, Midnight in Paris...but if you want one that David and I could agree on, make it Manhattan Murder Mystery. Underrated, I think, and maybe even his funniest movie.
I love a lot of your reviews, Bram, but this is definitely my favorite. Its an excellent essay, and I loved the interspersion of the quotes next to your discussion of Shakespeare's work in general. I always feel like anytime someone wants to diss Shakespeare, you can just serve one of those up and be like, "Now what? WHAT YOU GOT?" You proved that again here. There's no better argument for Shakespeare than reciting Shakespeare.the absorption of many of these plays* with their nihilistic and misanthropic aspects can lead to feelings of deep disquiet and a heightened awareness that seems at once empowering and exquisitely desolate.
This is perfect. I think "heightened awareness" is exactly right. I feel just like that when I finish the best of Shakespeare, and you know what, even some of the ones I don't like as much. He challenges us to experience simple things- but in such a nuanced way that my whole day feels richer after I finish one. "Exquisitely desolate" is exactly what my favorite Shakespeare, King Lear, is. It happens and it's over and then what? I'm supposed to go out to dinner?
Anyway, great review.
I can't compete with your Woody Allen knowledge (though I'm delighted to see all the positive reviewing of Midnight in Paris which I've been going back and forth on seeing), but I am mostly okay with your Shakespeare list. I also haven't had the Top-Five experience with Macbeth that a lot of people have (though I want to see it to see if I feel differently about a performance), and anyone who realizes how awesome King Lear is is fine by me. :) My only disagreements are I wonder why Winter's Tale is so high?? That one has never fit together for me, for all it's individually random moving elements. It's a problem play for a reason. And Twelfth Night that low? Aww, come on. Even the subplots are awesome in that one! To each their own, I guess, I'm just curious about the ranking for those two!
That's so nice--thanks, Kelly! I've really enjoyed bouncing Shakespeare thoughts back and forth with you over the months (years?!), and I'm sure there will be much more discussion to come. Regarding The Winter's Tale, I really enjoyed the expansiveness of the play--Shakespeare started messing around with the passage of time in this one (unusually extended) and The Tempest (unusually condensed), and I think it provides each of these plays with a unique flair. In The Winter's Tale it enhances the emotional impact of the ending, although I'm aware that many people find this absurd/over-the-top. The first two acts are a fascinating and disturbing look into jealousy, specifically as a process that can be "imagined into" or "thought into" being (as compared to the experience in Othello). Leontes works himself into this perverse insanity where he is aware of his own role in creating his madness:
There may be in the cup
A spider steep'd, and one may drink, depart,
And yet partake no venom (for his knowledge
Is not infected); but if one present
Th' abhorr'd ingredient to his eye, make known
How he hath drunk, he cracks his gorge, his sides,
With violent hefts. I have drunk, and seen the spider.
Fascinating stuff. And then, you're right, the play really sort of changes gears, but it's an experiment that I think works (like the 'real-time' effect of The Tempest). There's the great romance between Perdita and Florizel, and Autolycus is a classic, likable Shakespearean rogue; there's also some really compelling and subtle stuff on art vs. nature hidden in the dialogue in Act IV, and Shakespeare (usually so careful to avoid displeasing the censors) sneaked in some interesting anti-authority bits in the early part of the play.
I enjoyed Twelfth Night, but it didn't really hit me in a big way; compared with some of the other 'pure' comedies (As You Like It, Midsummer, Much Ado), I felt like it was missing something. I'd guess that this one benefits quite a bit in performance. The issue of performance vs. reading is interesting in Shakespeare, and I imagine quite controversial--I'm sure there are some that are better in performance, but I also think that some of these plays are actually better read. Thoughts?
I support your lower rating for Twelfth Night. I've never been excited by it. You're on your own for Winter's Tale though. I think the themes have been done elsewhere and better (your Othello example for one). Kelly, if you can get to Sleep No More in New York before it leaves, I guarantee that you will change your mind about MacBeth.



