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Consider Phlebas by Iain M. Banks

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Jun 27, 11

bookshelves: sci-fi, to-read-again, banks-culture-novel, north-atlantic, space-opera, worth-reading-twice
Read from June 03 to 23, 2011, read count: 2

I'm not really sure what to say about Consider Phlebas. It was, quite fittingly, the first Culture book I read, though it was my fourth Banks book (preceded by The Wasp Factory, Dead Air, & The Bridge respectively). And now it is the third Banks book I've reread (The Wasp Factory twice, and Use of Weapons once).

I like it very much, so I feel a little sad that many friends I respect don't love it as much as I and a good deal of them just think it is mostly okay.

I love that Horza is an unlikable protagonist, but I think that bothers some.

I love that Banks delivers on the promise of his title and epigraph:
IV. DEATH BY WATER

Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell
And the profit and loss.
A current under sea
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passed the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
But I am certain there are those who find the finish too bleak, and more than a little hopeless.

Many are frustrated by Banks' propensity for long, detailed, action sequences and feel that these scenes disrupt the flow of the plot, whereas I love the cinematic quality of the action.

A few don't like what they see as a choppy narrative -- more linked short stories than one cohesive novel. Again, I love the episodic nature, and I love the way we grow into our knowledge of the characters through these sporadic brushes with their lives. That works for me, and seems real -- sorta like the way I connect with all the friends who don't live with me on a daily basis. We brush by each other in episodes, and all we learn about each other is in our own little short stories of companionship.

Some find Consider Phlebas too brutal. I think it is just brutal enough.

Others can't find any character to relate to and pull for, or are only able to embrace one, but I find myself liking them all, even the most unsavoury, like Fwi-Song and Mr. First (although I wouldn't want to eat dinner with them ;)).

But mostly I love what Banks is whispering in my ear while I read: "Hey, Brad. Heroes don't exist. Violence is our natural state, no matter who or what we are. Death comes to us all, somehow, someway, even seemingly immortal Minds. But that doesn't mean that life isn't beautiful. There is life in death, thus death matters. It makes life sweet, so don't forget to live it." For me, that's a message worth reading again and again.

Yep, it's good to be reminded that my bag of skin is nothing but crude, decaying matter. There's humility in that, a humility that makes me look at the black ant crawling up my leg with brotherhood rather than disdain (and it really is, right now, this second). It reminds me to recognize our shared experience. And so I let him(it?) continue his(its?) walk and don't crush him between my thumb and forefinger. I simply let him get on his way. I hope I will always be able to do the same.

(I wrote a review of Pippi Goes On Board just after I finished reading Consider Phlebas. If you've read the latter you may like my review of the former. Check it out.)

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message 1: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian Great review, Brad! I'm with you on this book, and I have the same frustration that many of my GR friends just don't seem to see what I see in CP. Most people who have read multiple culture books will recommend Player of Games to friends as the book to start with, but I think that's just wrong. You need to start where the author himself started, to see the evolution of the Culture universe in the author's mind. You need to start with CP because it sets the stage for everything to come.


message 2: by Thomas (new) - added it

Thomas Baughman I plan to read the Culture novels and stories in publication order very soon. I'll let you know what i think.


Brad I've actually suggested that people begin with Player of Games too, Ian, just because I think of it as being more accessible to a wider audience. But for me, I am glad I started with Consider Phlebas. The way Banks deals with the Minds and all of the drones really does, as you say, "set the stage for everything to come."

Hope you like them, Thomas.

I thought I should mention to all my friends who feel differently than I do about this book that I am not disappointed in you, just disappointed that something I enjoy so much doesn't effect you the same way. More sad than disappointed, I suppose.


Zach I really should give Banks another shot. I actually really liked most of the things you point out here, Brad, I was just never really engrossed by the specifics of this story, I guess.


message 5: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian If I'm really being honest, I saw CP as only a 3.5-star book after my first reading. It wasn't until I read it for the second time, having the rest of the Culture series under my belt, that I started to see it's true brilliance. I explain in my review.


message 6: by Brad (last edited Jun 27, 2011 05:20pm) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Brad I wrote a review of Pippi Goes On Board just after I finished reading Consider Phlebas. If you've read the latter you may like my review of the former. Check it out.


Helen (Helena/Nell) Really lovely review. Made me want to read it again. (The novel, not the review -- but hey, maybe the review too.)


Brad Thanks, Nell. I think I liked it better this time through, and I liked it very much the first time.


Helen (Helena/Nell) sometimes I think the absolute test of a good novel is on the second read.


message 10: by Brad (new) - rated it 4 stars

Brad Me too.


message 11: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian Helen (Helena/Nell) wrote: "sometimes I think the absolute test of a good novel is on the second read."

If that's the case then I maintain the best novel I've ever read is A Grey Moon Over China by Thomas A. Day. I know, I know, you've never heard of it. Nobody's heard of it. I first read it in June 2009 after seeing it on the "new releases" shelf in the library. I was stunned. I had never read anything so brilliant. It was the writing style, the character depth, the poignancy, the plot twists, the philosophy; I immediately concluded it was the best book I've ever read in just about every respect.

Then a couple of years goes by ... a couple of years ... in which I read some amazing, amazing books, a couple of years in which my personal tastes and philosophies evolve on several levels ... a couple of years in which I endure a full-blown crisis of faith and come out the other side a different--hopefully a better--person.

So in April 2011 I decide to read A Grey Moon Over China again. I'm thinking, it can't be as good as I remember it, I've read too many other real quality books since then and Grey Moon just won't stand up to them, I've changed too much and Grey Moon just won't touch me the way it did before. So I go into the re-read expecting to be disappointed. I was not disappointed. If anything I was more impressed by the book’s genius and touched more deeply by its message.

Yes, I’m using this thread as an excuse to promote an obscure novel that I love very much and want the whole world to read. But is that so bad? I think people just need to give it a fair shot.


message 12: by Brad (new) - rated it 4 stars

Brad Not bad. I approve. And I will go check it out.


Helen (Helena/Nell) Oh hell. I'll have to check it out too.


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