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Outpost by Ann Aguirre

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Aug 18, 12

bookshelves: arc, annoying-protagonist, bloody-as-hell, dreaded-love-triangle, dystopian, for-review, horror, post-apocalyptic, young-adult, zombies
Read from July 18 to August 09, 2012

I was really looking forward to the sequel to Enclave. I really enjoyed that book and it is definitely one of my favorite post-apocalyptic novels. But before I go forward with my review of Outpost, I need to give you a little background on what I thought of Enclave back then and what I think of Enclave now.

When I first started reading YA again, Enclave became one of my favorite reads immediately. I was new on the blogging scene, and I was still finding my feet and developing my tastes in literature. It's no secret that other bloggers influence your tastes and help you develop your own. I started reading reviews of Enclave and thinking about the way Stalker was portrayed as a love interest even though he was the former leader of a gang that raped women to propagate their numbers, and possibly did some raping of his own. And I realized how damn YUCKY that was. I'll talk about that more later in my review of Outpost, but let's just say that I still like Enclave and think the story is great, but I do believe it was a TERRIBLE decision to turn Stalker into a love interest and make the romance between Fade and Deuce into a love triangle.

This bad decision of a love triangle continues into Outpost. I can see places where the author tries to make Stalker into a good guy and prove to the reader he is a changed man, and that may very well be, but he should still NEVER be a love interest. I was literally (yes, literally) nauseous over this. It was never actually said whether he raped any of the girls himself, but I'm going to have to assume that he did since it was never stated that he didn't. I'd like to show you the big fat paragraph I wrote about the situation while reading this book.

"You can't turn a former rapist into a love interest. You just can't. I understand he has regrets. He was in a gang and they did it to keep their numbers up. For survival, which I still don't like, but whatever. But you can't just turn around and have that guy be a romantic lead. Apologetic, yes. Maybe even an anti-hero. But not a love interest. This guy should never be allowed to touch a woman in that way again. Makes me sick, honestly."

And it's true. I could easily see him being a friend, someone who fought with them, and helped them stay alive. Someone that maybe sacrifices himself for the good of the group. But not a love interest. Ick. He was like the Jacob of this series. Deuce loves Fade but she kept thinking that maybe Stalker was better for her because he was tougher and had been through more. He keeps coming back for more and she keeps turning him down. The problem is that Deuce actually thinks that Stalker is a great guy. But he's not. I don't care how he acted in the book, I can never forget where he came from. It's pretty gross. But I think I've said enough on that.

I also had issues with Deuce. She's not all that likable in this book. She was actually a snob. I don't know how many times she pissed and moaned about the townspeople and acted like she was better than them. And she wasn't. She kept calling married/committed men and women "breeders." It was remarked upon that the townspeople didn't like that she called them that, and yet she continued to do it. Learn from your mistakes. You live in a different society now and you need to adapt. Who are you to think you are better than them because they believe differently than you? I just really did not like her character very much.

This book was paced all over the place. I could have slept through the first 70 pages and not missed much at all. Nothing happened. Compared to the breakneck pacing of Enclave, most of this book was a snoozefest. So don't expect this to be as exciting as Enclave because it is not even close. Towards the middle, there are some exciting scenes with the Freaks, and then it picks up from there. But you have to muddle through a lot of set-up and infodumping to get there.

The one thing I can rave about is the writing. Ann Aguirre is a talented writer. And I love reading her words. They jump off the page and flow really well. That is clearly her strength. But her characters and the messages they are sending need work. She needs to quit with the love triangles and bad characterizations. I hate love triangles. They are old news now, and I know this series was already headed in that direction and it was impossible to change it, so perhaps I have just outgrown them. I don't mind love triangles if they are done well, but this one was terrible. I want a relationship between Fade and Deuce. Not this gimmicky Stalker crap. I'm tired of him coming between them when he shouldn't even be a consideration for a romance in the first place.

As far as the world-building goes, you don't learn much more in this book. It says in the author's note in the end that you will have to wait for book three to get the answers you are seeking. So as to how this post-apocalyptic landscape came about in the first place? You will receive NO answers. There are a couple of questions about the Freaks themselves that are answered, but that is ALL you are getting. I was disappointed in that. I think the background of a dystopian landscape is so important for believability. So the entire time I am reading, I feel like I am missing something because I don't know WHY things are the way they are.

I know it doesn't seem like I liked this book much, and maybe I didn't. I'm really invested in this series and so I was a little lenient with my rating because I really care what happens to these characters. Well, I care about Fade and Tegan anyway. Deuce can go play in traffic for all I care. But what can you do? It just felt like a completely different book than Enclave.

I guess that's it for my review. I was disappointed. I expected more. But I will still finish out the series and read book three. Might as well now.

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Reading Progress

08/07/2012 page 26
8.0%
08/07/2012 page 48
14.0% "Well, Deuce, if the townspeople don't like when you call them breeders, maybe you should stop. Brat."
08/08/2012 page 70
21.0% "Finally something exciting happens. Only took 70 pages. Too much lead in and infodumping. Hope it's over now."
08/08/2012 page 101
30.0% "I have never seen an author overuse the semicolon before. There's a first for everything. Also, not always used correctly. O_O"
08/08/2012 page 161
48.0% "She writes well, but she repeats phrases. Also, this book is not nearly as exciting as Enclave was. Not even close."
08/09/2012 page 190
57.0% "I like Fade quite a bit. But he deserves better than Deuce. She's a snob who thinks she's better than the other townspeople."
08/09/2012 page 217
65.0% ""I bit down on my hand until my teeth drew blood to muffle the urge to cry." People actually do this? IDTS." 2 comments
08/09/2012 page 260
77.0% 6 comments

Comments (showing 1-50 of 80) (80 new)


Christina (A Reader of Fictions) I don't know, dude. I mean, that's not exactly A+ behavior, but I loved Enclave, so I'm definitely reading it.

Twitter's a tricky format what with the limited word count. It can be really tricky to tell if someone's being serious or sarcastic. I can see where that could have been some miscommunication. Maybe not, but who knows. Aguirre may have thought Jennie was being snarky with the comment that maybe she didn't know her characters well enough. *shrugs*

I really don't know why authors should be quite so invested in individual opinions of their covers. I mean, they don't even have any say a lot of the time!


Kara Thanks for your input Christina. I can definitely see where you are coming from. I'm still deciding myself. My problem is similar too. I absolutely loved Enclave.


message 3: by Rose (new)

Rose Kara, I'm going to tell you to go with your gut on this one. Granted, there are many authors who have bad days, say things to other people that aren't nice (I don't think what Aguirre said was called for, tbh, and it does put me off her somewhat, but for me, I'm just not inclined to add her to my reading list for the moment, and I'd sit on my hands a while for the matter). If you feel strongly enough that you want read her next book and think this was just a hiccup or such, do what feels right to you. No one can make that decision but you.


message 4: by rameau (new) - added it

rameau I'm still deciding whether I want to read Enclave or not. So far it's been a yes simply because I wanted to know what the rape discussion on Lucy's thread was about.

This isn't nearly as bad when compared to several others, but it's still bad enough to upset the blogger.


message 5: by Rose (new)

Rose rameau wrote: "This isn't nearly as bad when compared to several others, but it's still bad enough to upset the blogger. "

That's true.


message 6: by rameau (new) - added it

rameau Rose wrote: "rameau wrote: "This isn't nearly as bad when compared to several others, but it's still bad enough to upset the blogger. "

That's true."


Had this happened to me, I wouldn't be buying from Aguirre anymore either. That, however, doesn't mean I can't borrow the book. So, deciding.


Kara I hear you guys. The ending part that Lucy talks about in her review is pretty bad, rameau. I can see why a lot of people had their stomachs turned. I, myself, had a different reading style back then and didn't care so much about stuff like that. If I re-read it, I probably would feel differently. I want to read Outpost to see how she handles Stalker's character.

The blogger this happened to is a friend of mine. So that's why this bothers me a little more I guess. But you are right. Things could have been misunderstood or people could have had a bad day. Again, you are right when you said it doesn't excuse the behavior. But I think I'm going to do like Rose and sit on my hands and see what else happens.


Kara Oh, and thanks, both of you.


message 9: by Giselle (new) - added it

Giselle I just got the first of this series.


Christina (A Reader of Fictions) Oh noes! I'm definitely going to need to reread Enclave first, because I don't remember things well enough to catch issues probably. Sigh.


message 11: by Taylor (new) - added it

Taylor Ah, I really liked the first book. Definitely want to see your review on this before I get it


message 12: by HellyBelly (new) - added it

HellyBelly I really, really liked Enclave, thought that the clues to how the dystopian society came about were really well spaced and thought out. However, already towards the end of the book I was thinking: "hang on a minute, are you turning (trying to turn) Stalker into a potential love interest here...??".

I am sorry to find out that really seems to be the case and also sad to hear that you did not think the pacing was up to par and that Deuce turned into a snob.
Oh well, I have already decided not to read Insurgent, but I think I will give Outpost a chance all the same, mainly because Aguirre is, as you pointed out, a very good writer and because I feel the world building is more consistent than that of Divergent.


message 13: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara You should. I think the writing was wonderful. I'm just not a very big fan of Deuce. And the whole Stalker as a love interest thing just really turns me off. For me, I need a little more world-building, but I love how she did write the scenes that were there. I agree with you about Divergent though. Not very consistent there.


message 14: by Titus214 (new)

Titus214 Thanks for this review. I will now not waste my time reading this. I put up a review on Amazon one of the problems I had was the fact that Deuce considered Stalker as a mate. Not only is he a rapist but he would just as well leave someone sick to die alone in the woods to get eaten by zombies. I was so annoyed that Duece had a good guy who stood by her and was now considering this nightmare of a human. Now that I know the love triangle continues I won't read outpost.


message 15: by Jim (new)

Jim Very well said, Kara. I haven't read either of the books, but I certainly agree with all the sentiments you are expressing so well here.


message 16: by Kara (last edited Aug 22, 2012 09:26pm) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Titus- I agree. Fade is an amazing guy and I am not sure why someone like Stalker is even a romantic option.

Jim- As always, thanks. :)

Marie- You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I am going to respectfully disagree. Deuce is not a dumb girl. This is a scary world with zombies and she has managed to survive this long. I would think her love decisions would be smart as well.

Also, I never said Stalker didn't have redeemable qualities. I mentioned in my review that he would have been better cast as an anti-hero. Just not a love interest.


the golden witch. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like this is a totally different book, and I'm about halfway through it now.


message 18: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Yeah. It just didn't have the same magic the first one did. :(


message 19: by the golden witch. (last edited Aug 25, 2012 10:30pm) (new) - rated it 4 stars

the golden witch. I'm to the part where they actually start talking about an outpost and am just like "...". Ugh. And this love triangle really feels like it's being forced down my throat when even it's been made abundantly clear Deuce doesn't like rapist dude the way he likes her.

I fear this one is on its way to the "meh" shelf. :(


message 20: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Yeah. I tend to agree. I was bored for a good portion of this book, and the love triangle is just...it does get more suspenseful later on. But it's not enough for me.


the golden witch. I guess we've both come to expect more from YA. On the bright side, this is only one out of two 2012 sophomore series books that haven't been good for me, so...that's something good to think about. 2012 has otherwise been a pretty awesome year for book 2s in series.


message 22: by Stephen (new) - added it

Stephen What about the book says that Stalker is a rapist. Seriou sly if anything in Enclave it pointed out VERY obviously that he had noting to do with the other grls and that Deuce was the VERY first he took interest in. So stop with the self righteous hating and just read te book.


message 23: by Kara (last edited Aug 27, 2012 04:28am) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Hello, troll. Looks like you need to do a re-read of the book. Seriously. Your comments are not welcome here. I am allowing your words to remain so people can see what an idiot you are. Continue to comment and I will be deleting and blocking you.

Also, my opinion is just as valid as yours. Stalker was the leader of a gang that RAPED girls. Not cool. Period. He should not be portrayed as a love interest. It's cool that you liked the book, but it's not cool that you are trolling my review. This is your only warning. Write your own review. You are not welcome here.


message 24: by Elodie (new) - added it

Elodie Can I just ask you something? How did you manage to get the book? I mean, the release date is September, the 4th. I'm just curious.


message 25: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara I am a book blogger. I get advanced reader copies from publishers. :)


message 26: by Elodie (new) - added it

Elodie *meh creys* OH. Wow, that's pretty awesome.


message 27: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Yeah, I don't get as many as some bloggers but I have a pretty good relationship with Macmillan.


message 28: by Elodie (new) - added it

Elodie But, do you have to ask publishers for books or do they come to bloggers and give them the opportunity to read unreleased books in advance?


message 29: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Depends. I use NetGalley to request books I want from other publishers, but I get physical advanced copies (ARCs) from Macmillan. They came to me first after working with them on a blog tour for one of their titles. :)


Catherine Chestnut I thought there was a section in Book #2 where Stalker says he didn't really participate in the rapings himself, he just fought his way to the top so things would be different and he could have control. He acknowledged that he allowed rapings to happen "to keep the peace" but we need to remember that our heroine allowed a young blind boy to be murdered in our first book. The whole premise is that our characters were operating within "savage" societies and are now regretting their ignorance and lack of action on behalf of others. I actually care more for Stalker than for Fade after book #2.


message 31: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara I don't recall that, but he may have. But he allowed them to happen and to me that is almost as bad. Keeping the peace? That is hardly an excuse in my mind. If you read completely through my review, I mentioned that I did not care much for Deuce's character either. I also mentioned that I did not dislike Stalker, but I did not care for his portrayal as a love interest. The love triangle is unnecessary, in my opinion. But thank you for your comments though I disagree.


message 32: by Elodie (new) - added it

Elodie Catherine:
Anyways, even if he didn't participate, he intended to rape Deuce,which, to me, makes him a rapist: he would have done it if she wouldn't have left,
And I think he did rape some girls, but that it didn't happen often (someone says that if he wishes he can have any girls he wants for himself but that usually he does not use that right, which means that he did, but not often, even if I need to re-read the book tO be sure)


message 33: by Jovana J (new) - added it

Jovana J Thanks for your review. I still cant get pass our terrible heroine who is also a rape appologist. Even if Stalker didnt rape anyone (which I doubt), he ENABLED it. Bad boy trope is shitty enough, but a rapist CANNOT be redeemed into a teddy bear romantic interest. JUST NO. I wont be reading Outpost.


message 34: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Thank you for your comment, Jovana. I couldn't agree more.


Catherine Chestnut I may just have to agree to disagree with you all. But if one does not believe that murder and rape condoners can be redeemed into likable characters and characters capable of and worthy of love, then that person will not enjoy reading these books. Our society sees rape and murder as the most horrible crimes, but in the world that Aguirre created, this is the only life our characters ever knew, their only frame of reference... I think perhaps readers may overlook Deuce's background and not Stalker's because we do not get to share in his point of view. In Outlook, we get a glimpse that, like Deuce, he did not feel at rest or at peace with what his society deemed as acceptable; he just stood in ignorance as to how to change it. (This takes place in conversation he has with Deuce.) Deuce, had she not been thrown out of the enclave, possibly would have continued on in her murdering lifestyle. (As we learn in Outpost, she took the life of an innocent man to earn her stars.) Our author is not saying that their actions were OK at all. She is setting up two characters with similar backgrounds--who regret their mistakes and are seeking to redeem themselves through love.
Kara, I did enjoy reading the last parts of your review and it did help me sort through my thoughts/frustrations with the book that I could not articulate myself. Well said!


message 36: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara It's totally fine to have a differing opinion, Catherine. I'm totally okay with that even if I don't agree with you. Thank you for the compliments on my review.


karen dammit. i was really looking forward to this one. i'm still going to read it, obviously, but dammit.


message 38: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Yeah, I'm quite anxious to hear what you think of it. I always wonder if maybe it's me, ya know?


karen well, i loved the first one, and a lot of people did not. that's true of so many of these books. i am old enough to not get overly-enthusiastic over every one of them, but the ones i love i love so hard. i probably read too many YA-dystopias.


message 40: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara I loved Enclave too. If it wasn't for the Stalker as a love interest thing, it would have been a 5 star book for me.

I am addicted to YA dystopias. I am trying to read all of them but they make them too fast for me to keep up! LOL.


karen no kidding. ever since they moved the teen section up to my floor at work, i have been lost.


message 42: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara LOL haha! I love that you work at the biggest Barnes and Noble. I don't know how you don't leave with a pile of books every day. I am sure you get a discount, and I've always wanted to work in a bookstore, I just don't know if I would even bring any money home. :)


karen i barely do. but we can borrow hardcovers, and since i can go through a YA dystopian book in a couple of hours, this has been very good for me.


message 44: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Really? That's awesome they let you do that. :)


karen it saves me a ton of money. i only started taking advantage of it in the past year or so, though. i used to buy way too many hardcovers. i am trying to be responsible now.


message 46: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara I buy a TON of hardcovers because I never can wait for the paperbacks. So I can only imagine how much that helps. I would totally take advantage of that.


Christina (A Reader of Fictions) I am also trying to read ALL of the dystopias. It's amazing how many there are. I've reviewed almost 130 and there's still SO MANY I've missed. O_O

I really liked Enclave also. :/


message 48: by Kara (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kara Wow. Almost 130 and you still haven't read them all? Impressive.


Christina (A Reader of Fictions) Right? And more come out all of the time!


karen Christina (A Reader of Fictions) wrote: "I am also trying to read ALL of the dystopias. It's amazing how many there are. I've reviewed almost 130 and there's still SO MANY I've missed. O_O

I really liked Enclave also. :/"


do you have a shelf for that?? so i can seee it?


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