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A Spy in the House by Y.S. Lee

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I really, really wanted to like this book. I'm a fan of novels set during the Victorian era, as I've always been very interested in how thinking, reasoning people-especially women--manage to survive in such a repressive society. It's the same reason I like Jane Austen novels, because the yearning for connection with other human beings is so often at odds with the strict customs of the day.

There's a tendency now in books for authors to just ignore those rules and just barrel forward with whatever story or agenda they may want to promote. I know that it's difficult from a modern standpoint to write about a spirited heroine without bending some rules here and there, but it's annoying that so many authors go ahead and just plain break them. Don't get me wrong--the author clearly has done a lot of research into the time period, and I believe it was also her educational specialty. But I find it tiresome that girls in historical novels keep getting put into breeches or constantly talk back at their superiors or go out and linger unattended on the streets. I know, I know, Mary is supposed to be a detective and whatnot, but girls of this time and in her position would never dream of behaving in this way. Showing courage and spirit and passion when extraordinary circumstances call for it is one thing, but to blithely move about everyday life as if expressing your wishes and opinions is commonplace is just plain wrong for this time period. If this is something an author wants to do, he/she is better off writing a steampunk novel or a story set in an alternate universe. I would argue that there must be a way for a gifted writer to make the book more true to the period of the time while keeping the spirit of adventure alive.

The writing itself is something that bothered me, too. The language of the time is fairly formal and specific, with a distinct wording and rhythm of its own. I just didn't feel convinced by the tone that was struck here, nor were the plotting or the mystery or the characters particularly unique. I happened to have the follow-up book from the library and I skimmed through that one as well to see if it was any more engaging, but for me, unfortunately, these books just don't work.

Readers who want a great Victorian mystery that holds true to the customs of the time would do better to try out The Poisoned House, The Case of the Baker Street Irregular (young readers) or The Cater Street Hangman.

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well that's just too bad


Wendy Darling Ugh, I know--I was really looking forward to this series.


Sandy Love this review. The second book is even worse. Mary pretends to be a boy and runs around in breeches all day...

I was excited to read the spy training (which I thought would be at the beginning of the book) but the author completely skipped that and went straight to the first mission. Also, I thought Mary was a bit too abrasive at times.


Krystle If this was a Victorian novel, it's actually possible for girls to talk back to people and wander out on the streets alone. It may not be a popular idea because women were so brainwashed into believing the idea of propriety but it was a developing new wave of feminism. The suffrage movement was beginning to take place. Some key figures actually commented on this during the Victorian time. Harriet Taylor's, "The Enfranchisement of Women" is a good example on how women have been left out of things they are physically an capable of achieving because of society's restrictions and beliefs.

Eliza Lynn Linton's essay, "The Girl of the Period" is an angry rant about how the women of their time are becoming bold, indecent, and are rather disgusting, immodest creatures who won't ever fit into Victorian society.

So, no, the author isn't far off with her viewpoint in having Mary be such a bold character. It has a lot to do with status in society but for a girl in Victorian society to actually possess, you know, defiant behavior, is not out of scope of believability.


Wendy Darling You're right, Sandy--there's no training whatsoever! The agency peeps make a brief appearance at the beginning and then at the end, and that's it. I have no idea why Mary is qualified for this job at all, and in fact, her outspoken nature is actually something that would disqualify her.

I wasn't a fan of Mary's either. I found nothing extraordinary about her, except for her tendency to do the exact wrong thing at the exact wrong time. I guess I should have spent more time going through these points instead of going on my little rant about Victorian novels, hah.


message 6: by Wendy Darling (last edited May 18, 2011 10:14pm) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Wendy Darling Krystle--yes, certainly there were early feminists during that time. But I don't remember anything in these books that lends credence to Mary being so bold or outspoken in her actions. If the author's intent was to introduce the ideas of women's rights, I believe she would have spent more time showing how Mary's character was unique rather than presenting it as something that was commonplace.

I would also say that women of this time, especially those who are in subservient positions, are more likely to be defiant in their thoughts than their actions. Especially within the framework of this novel.


Krystle I thought it was alluded too in that Mary is half-Irish and half-Chinese? I think that'd be unusual since there isn't a large influx of Asians during that time.

Of course, it could be said that her whole spy agency deal likes to defy these subservient ideals in more... subtle/underhanded ways.

But that's okay. Haha. We all have different tastes.


Wendy Darling Well...I think spying as a woman in the household is much more subversive than donning breeches and running around the streets of London! I wish the author had done more with the Asian thing too, if she was going to bring it up at all.

But yes, we'll just agree to disagree on this one. ;)


Krystle She goes more in depth on the Asian/Chinese side of her heritage in the second book. Haha. And the girl who poses for the covers is an awesome representation of the girl in the book. I'm always happy when there's foreal Asians on book covers. XD.


Wendy Darling You should start a Listopia poll for most beautiful YA novels featuring Asians, Krystle! I bet that's one of the very few that doesn't exist yet.


Krystle Oh, definitely!


message 12: by kari (new) - rated it 5 stars

kari OH, I really enjoyed this one and thought she did a good job of showing why Mary could run about in breeches, etc. She had been a street kid and was used to taking care of herself, etc.
I get what you're saying, but I did think the author crafted it in such a way that it was believable. Oh well, I love reading different viewpoints and your review is very good.


Wendy Darling I admit that I've read far too many historical novels in which the girls-in-breeches scenario happens, so I might've been especially irritated by this for that reason. I actually don't always get that worked up over it if it's in the right context, but it just happened so much in this book that it just pushed it beyond belief for me.

But I'm glad you enjoyed this more than I did, Kari! Historical novels are difficult to write, to be sure.


Cassi aka Snow White Haggard You see it didn't bother me because I read where the author said straight up "This would not have happened in the time period" not in those words, but that sentiment. So I guess I knew what to expect going into it. And since I have no attachments to the time period/genre I'm unfazed. Sorry you didn't like it.


message 15: by Wendy Darling (last edited May 19, 2011 06:48pm) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Wendy Darling No worries Cassi! I'm glad that authors are writing things other than the usual paranormal stuff, and I can see why people have enjoyed this series. To each his own.


Cassi aka Snow White Haggard Wendy Darling wrote: "No worries Cassie! I'm glad that authors are writing things other than the usual paranormal stuff, and I can see why people have enjoyed this series. To each his own."

Agreed. I think I partially like it because it's totally not dystopian/paranormal/mopey. Plus I really know very little about Victorian England except that it would've probably been too stuffy for me.


Wendy Darling Well you know Cassi...I was just thinking this afternoon that all I really want to do is find another Hex Hall to read. You at least still have Hold Me Closer, Necromancer to look forward to!

And ugh, I have to go back and edit my last post, I gave you an "e" on the end of your name...


Cassi aka Snow White Haggard I didn't even notice. I'm so used to people spelling my name wrong and I'm not one of those people who get fussy about it.

I am looking forward to that book.

There need to be more books like Hex Hall in YA. And more people need to realize how awesome it is. I'd rather have an imitation of that than another Twilight knockoff any day


Katie Huh. I disagree. I'm a fan of this series whereas I couldn't stand The Cater Street Hangman. But to each their own.


Wendy Darling Jams wrote: "Hmm. I wish there was a dislike button for your unfair review. I`m sorry Mary Quinn did not bend to your anti-feminist ways."

And I'm sorry that you felt compelled to leave such a rude remark on someone else's review.

I'm glad you enjoyed this more than I did, Katie.


Cassi aka Snow White Haggard Jams wrote: "Hmm. I wish there was a dislike button for your unfair review. I`m sorry Mary Quinn did not bend to your anti-feminist ways."

Name calling makes you seem very unintelligent. Wendy has never struck me as "anti-feminist" and I really liked this book & I really like Wendy. Judging someone based on one review is rather ignorant and comments like this are the reason even people who believe in "equality between genders" end up not liking the word "feminist"


Wendy Darling Thanks for your support, Cassi and Cillian, it's very much appreciated. I don't think my review was overly harsh or disrespectful to other readers, so this came as something of a surprise. As evidenced from the discussion before that comment, it's certainly possible to disagree about a book without being rude about it. I will never understand what people think they're going to accomplish by leaving remarks like that.


Cassi aka Snow White Haggard That's partially why the comment got under my skin. I liked it, you didn't, but we had an intelligent adult conversation about it. Book reviews are subjective and we all have different interests.


Wendy Darling Thanks once again--you two are great. I do try very hard not to write vicious reviews, so when I see these kinds of comments it makes me think they come from people who haven't spent too much time on GoodReads yet, to see what "unfair" reviews actually look like!

Every single commenter on this thread other than Sandy actually liked this book, Cillian, and I really appreciated that though they certainly expressed their differing viewpoint, they respected that this was my space and that I had a right to express my opinion. I try to do the same for others, even though I know that is is harder to do if it happens to be a book you really love.

Incidentally, I am also somewhat amused at the irony of thanking me for other recs when my opinion clearly means so little, hah.


Cassi aka Snow White Haggard I feel like you have an obligation to be honest on goodreads about books you read. Whether its reviewing or just rating goodreads only works when everyone gives both good and bad reviews. People who only give five stars aren't contributing at all.

So I appreciate honesty well-stated. I've read 2 of these books and will probably pick up the next one. But I think your reasonings were sound and very logical for why you didn't like this book. I respect that.


message 27: by Nan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nan Wendy, I understand your reaction to this book. It is unrealistic on many, many levels. But it's not as unrealistic as we might think.

Unlike the author, I haven't completed my Ph.D. (yet--I'm drafting a chapter of my diss right now). My research has largely led me to believe that life in Victorian England was much more complicated than we imagine. Most of the social strictures we're used to thinking about applied mainly to the middle class and to the upper class (both the gentry and the nobility). A biracial girl like Mary--the daughter of a Chinese sailor and woman that became a prostitute--would have been outside of the margins of respectable society and much of the morality drilled into girls of the time would have skipped her. Now, her school should have educated in modesty, but since they were also educating her in feminist ideas (here, I know that the term feminist is relatively inaccurate since the movement started much later--but Mary Wollstonecraft has been retroactively deemed a feminist, so I'm just going to go with it), they also seem to make her aware of just how artificial those rules are. She can imitate a gentlewoman sufficiently to get the job of a companion, but she never accepts the social codes that form the society.

I, personally, would have liked to see more information about that school. I find it remarkable that they were able to educate girls with such a radical agenda without drawing attention. I know that not all of the girls became spies, but they would have been much more willful than the average middle class girl.

Also, in response to Krystle's claim that "there isn't a large influx of Asians during that time," well, that's debatable, too. There was an Asian presence in London--after all, London was the heart of an empire with extensive trade interests in Asia--but I'm not certain just how big the community was. According to the Old Bailey website, the community was very small, but that doesn't make Mary's history impossible: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/static...

I hope that no one perceives this comment as being hostile. Just as Wendy says that she dislikes reading books that have women acting vastly out of character for the times, I also dislike it when people assume that all of the social classes lived according to the middle class model of morality.


Wendy Darling Well, the problem for me (as I mentioned in my response to Krystle earlier) is that that the author treated Mary's behavior as being completely commonplace and didn't lay enough groundwork for her character with persuasive details. From what I remember, we don't get to know all that much about her history in this first book and I just wasn't convinced by how this feminist, free-thinking, bold character was portrayed, especially one who was so young and so untutored. It was part and parcel of being unconvinced by the spy school and not being drawn into the mystery, too. And I wasn't a huge fan of the writing, either.

And as for "I also dislike it when people assume that all of the social classes lived according to the middle class model of morality," I am not a scholar for sure, but I've read a decent number of books written during/about/set in this time period, and my assumptions about that time also come from what I was taught in school. Being that the book is written for teens, if the author hoped to introduce the idea that women of that time were more liberal than we thought, it would have helped her argument if she did more to show how women were gradually defying the norm. But it's clear, once again, that I'm not a fan of this book, and certainly people are free to disagree and/or write their own reviews. But I really do dislike being reprimanded on my own review for expressing a politely stated opinion.


message 29: by Nan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nan I didn't want my comment to sound like a reprimand; I'm sorry if it appeared to be one.

I do agree with you that the author didn't lay enough groundwork to prove why Mary was outside of the social mores. That's one of the most frustrating things about this book.


Krystle Wow, I totally forgot about my comments on this review. She had a very intelligibly expressed review on her dislike of it so I don't mind. I don't know much about Asians in London during that time period. I'm rather more knowledgeable about the Japanese during the Meiji Restoration and what have you which would have occurred during the 1800s.

Anyway, I WANT THE THIRD BOOK NOW. NOW!!! DAMN CLIFFHANGER.


Wendy Darling To be honest, it was just that one remark that ruffled my feathers a bit, Nan, although you can put some of that off to feeling as though I've had to defend my opinion several times throughout this thread. Perhaps I should have spent more time emphasizing the other aspects of the book rather than talking so much about Mary's behavior, but it was what bothered me most at the time.

I do appreciate your insight, however, as well as your coming back to the thread again. And I really do understand why readers are drawn to this book, and I hope that more historical novels are written for young adults; this particular one just wasn't appealing to me, for many reasons! But as we keep saying...to each her own.


Wendy Darling Hah, the third book should be out soon, right Krystle? Maybe it will be up on NetGalley...


Krystle The third book comes out next year in January I think but the UK people already get to read it. UGH. Foaming at the mouth here. LOL.


Wendy Darling That's weird, the author is a Canadian, isn't she? Is it just bc of the setting? I've seen that happen with a few other titles, too, where the author is an American but the book gets published first in Australia.


Kaethe Wendy, because I'm this kind of geek, you were musing in one of your updates about whether "blockhead" was appropriately Victorian. According to the OED it was in common usage as far back as 1549. There was even a "blockheadess" variant specific for chicks in the mid 19th century. I'm sorry Schultz didn't know that.

Anyway, that's just an aside. I enjoyed the review.


Wendy Darling Hah, I actually looked up that tidbit as well, Kaethe, and was surprised to see that it was in use so early on, too. Thanks for commenting on that, though, in case someone else comes along and wonders.


Kaethe Word geeks, unite!


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