Phoebe's Reviews > Starcrossed
Starcrossed (Starcrossed, #1)
by Josephine Angelini (Goodreads Author)
by Josephine Angelini (Goodreads Author)
Phoebe's review
bookshelves: netgalley, greek-mythology, chick-lit, young-adult, paranormal, snark-bait
May 03, 11
bookshelves: netgalley, greek-mythology, chick-lit, young-adult, paranormal, snark-bait
Read from April 24 to May 03, 2011
** spoiler alert **
I feel like I should start this review with a caveat: this will not be a positive review.
There's always some danger in panning a highly-buzzed book, particularly one where the financials are so well known (if you haven't seen it all over the internet, or the local news, Starcrossed was sold for seven-figures). Critics—especially critics who are members of the great unpublished masses—risk being labeled "haters" (or, worse, "jealous, bitter failures") for raising complaints with the work in question, as if criticism of a work is intrinsically criticism of the author's success.
And so I'll come right out and say that I wish Josephine Angelini no ill will; she seems like a nice person, and I'm glad her book's sale has been lucrative for her and her husband and helped them to get out of a nasty debt situation. I'm not, in reviewing Starcrossed, insisting that anyone not buy it. I'm not out to ruin any careers.
But I'm an honest person, and my honesty compels me to say this, despite all of the above: Starcrossed is, quite frankly, a mess.
The first problem with this novel, widely touted as "Percy Jackson meets Twilight" is that the prose is painfully amateur. Now, keep in mind that I've worked variously as an editor, a proofreader, a grader of undergraduate essays, and an English instructor; I'm highly attuned to issues with prose stylistics and perhaps am more likely to be rankled by clumsy prose.
And rankled I was by Starcrossed, persistently and pervasively. My issues with the writing are not simply matters of taste. I appreciate all sorts of prose, from the sparse and efficient (see my review of Lauren Strasnick's Nothing Like You) to the florid and poetic (such as Lauren DeStafano's Wither). Starcrossed occupies neither of these quite different stylistic extremes, though Angelini appears to sometimes overreach for Witheresque poetic stylings. She never quite achieves it for the simple reason that she never seems in control of her writing. Among the rookie, Creative-Writing-101 missteps in Starcrossed are:
-A hatred of the unadorned "said." Nearly every instance of dialogue is accompanied by an adverb, if not substituted for an awkward Said Bookism. People huff and hiss and whisper and say things in a rush or softly or sweetly or jokingly. The dialogue itself is largely fine, and would convey meaning adequately if Angelini weren't apparently terrified that it doesn't.
-Repetitive and unnecessarily detailed action descriptors. Every single instance of movement or psychology is painfully described. People get up, move from one end of the room to the other, cross their arms over their chests, sigh, roll their eyes, look this way, look that way. Simple interactions between characters are therefore unnecessarily drawn out, slowing the pace to a deathly near-halt even during the times when the book should be the most riveting.
-An abundance of telling, not showing. Angelini appears not to trust her readers to intuit character emotions through either (overdescribed) actions or (ham-fistedly written) dialogue; we have to be told, as well, what every character thinks. This is exacerbated through the clumsily-executed third-person POV, which is usually quite close to our main character Helen but has a tendency to abruptly jump to other characters for no apparent rhyme or reason other than to reiterate the already-apparent thought processes behind their dialogue.
-A tendency to use overly complex sentence structure which both slows down pacing and needlessly complicates meaning. Rather than vary her sentence structure, Angelini riddles nearly every sentence with dependent clauses and conjunctions. This wouldn't be a crime against prose in-and-of-itself, but used so constantly, it slows the already bogged-down prose even more, causes lapses in clarity, and is sometimes just grammatically incorrect.
All of this is unfortunate, mostly because this sort of problematic prose can be edited quite easily (even if doing so is a time-consuming process); these are issues addressed all over the Internet and in every college creative writing workshop. This kind of prose works against any story, and a book needs to be stellar indeed to overcome it.
Unfortunately, Starcrossed's characters and story are not strong enough to overcome the writing. At first, I hoped it would be—it's got a promising setting (Nantucket) and a fairly interesting premise. Helen Hamilton, raised by her single dad on an isolated New England island, meets a new-comer from a large family and instantly wants to kill him.
The problem is that Angelini has appropriated Greek mythology here in a particularly clumsy way. As executed in Starcrossed, this mythology is beyond convoluted, and Angelini no sooner establishes some mythological detail than to directly contradict it. For example, our main characters are Scions, the descendants of Greek gods, who don't look like their parents but rather have faces recycled from other Scions. Except for one notable exception, who looks just like her mother. Some of these mythological appropriations are just-plain cheesy (the Scions need to kill everyone not descended from the same Greek god so they can raise Atlantis and . . . become immortal?), others are awkwardly inconsistent or cast weird aspersions on mythological characters (the Trojan War happened just like it says in The Iliad, except for the Trojan horse—which, er, wasn't even in The Iliad; rather, Helen just slutted it up so that the Greeks could invade. More on Helen's sluttery in a bit).
But perhaps most troubling, as applied here the bits of prophesy and Greek mythology remove every single instance of organic character conflict in favor of characters being conveniently compelled to do things against their will. Repeatedly, characters will attack others only because they've been prophesized or fated to do so. Characters love one another, likewise, not because they have chemistry or anything in common but because they're caught in some sort of quasi-Buddhist cycle of reincarnation/repetition. They resist one another's advances because terrible things will happen if they get together, not because they actually don't want to sleep with each other, or whatever. And because the mythology is so inconsistently applied, these prophesies and decrees are immediately magically lifted, and everything is rosy again, until the characters are again conveniently fated to do something when the plot demands it.
Angelini's talked again and again about the origin story behind her writing of Starcrossed: she saw Romeo and Juliet sitting beside The Iliad on her bookshelf. The problem with reinvisionings like this one is that they often miss the mark on what made the source material so powerful. Here, she tries to create a blood feud like Romeo and Juliet, but she gets so caught up in making our couple fated and star-crossed that she misses exploring the more dynamic and compelling aspects of Romeo and Juliet's love. Namely, the other doomed pair were raised with the blood feud and were inculcated to hate one another; therefore, their love represents something genuinely transcendent.
But Helen doesn't know anything about this "blood feud" which she is apparently involved in until she meets Lucas. She never really understands the source of it (and no wonder, because it doesn't really make sense) and so the ultimate resolution lacks emotional impact.
There's also a persistent and weird concern here with female sexuality as a weapon. Helen is often criminally underdressed (including, once, in a short, see-through nighty) and is subsequently gawked at by the male characters. She lusts after Lucas, but is repeatedly rebuffed (not because he doesn't want to—of course he "growls" at her that he does—but because of a prophesy. Naturally) and essentially asked to control herself because all sorts of horrid things will happen if they gave in to their natural desires. Though we're told that Lucas's lust is powerful and very, very dangerous, he is able to control himself and hence dictate the terms of their relationship. And this control extends beyond just their sex life; the pair gets into a very scary argument about Helen maybe flirting with other guys, where Helen is told that Lucas is not normally a jealous person but instead just rendered as such because Helen's so beautiful that he can't control himself.
In fact, men here generally have problems controlling themselves around women, and this is always the woman's fault, or, at the very least, the fault of that evil temptress Aphrodite, who is at fault for the Trojan War, for making women like Helen slutty, for making men lose their tempers around women and murder one another, and so on, and so forth.
This even extends to Lucas adorably threatening to kill any man who would "take" Helen's virginity when she proposes to take her sexuality in her own hands. How romantic!
Call me a feminist prude if you want, but I found this all exactly as troubling as the implied sexual violence of Twilight (and if you haven't, you should really read Vinaya's review of Starcrossed, which more thoroughly explores the similarities between the two books), if not more so.
All of this is really a shame. I love Greek mythology and have been eager to read a well-written, thoughtful YA retelling of the Greek myths. Unfortunately, Starcrossed is neither.
A review copy was generously provided by the publisher and NetGalley.
There's always some danger in panning a highly-buzzed book, particularly one where the financials are so well known (if you haven't seen it all over the internet, or the local news, Starcrossed was sold for seven-figures). Critics—especially critics who are members of the great unpublished masses—risk being labeled "haters" (or, worse, "jealous, bitter failures") for raising complaints with the work in question, as if criticism of a work is intrinsically criticism of the author's success.
And so I'll come right out and say that I wish Josephine Angelini no ill will; she seems like a nice person, and I'm glad her book's sale has been lucrative for her and her husband and helped them to get out of a nasty debt situation. I'm not, in reviewing Starcrossed, insisting that anyone not buy it. I'm not out to ruin any careers.
But I'm an honest person, and my honesty compels me to say this, despite all of the above: Starcrossed is, quite frankly, a mess.
The first problem with this novel, widely touted as "Percy Jackson meets Twilight" is that the prose is painfully amateur. Now, keep in mind that I've worked variously as an editor, a proofreader, a grader of undergraduate essays, and an English instructor; I'm highly attuned to issues with prose stylistics and perhaps am more likely to be rankled by clumsy prose.
And rankled I was by Starcrossed, persistently and pervasively. My issues with the writing are not simply matters of taste. I appreciate all sorts of prose, from the sparse and efficient (see my review of Lauren Strasnick's Nothing Like You) to the florid and poetic (such as Lauren DeStafano's Wither). Starcrossed occupies neither of these quite different stylistic extremes, though Angelini appears to sometimes overreach for Witheresque poetic stylings. She never quite achieves it for the simple reason that she never seems in control of her writing. Among the rookie, Creative-Writing-101 missteps in Starcrossed are:
-A hatred of the unadorned "said." Nearly every instance of dialogue is accompanied by an adverb, if not substituted for an awkward Said Bookism. People huff and hiss and whisper and say things in a rush or softly or sweetly or jokingly. The dialogue itself is largely fine, and would convey meaning adequately if Angelini weren't apparently terrified that it doesn't.
-Repetitive and unnecessarily detailed action descriptors. Every single instance of movement or psychology is painfully described. People get up, move from one end of the room to the other, cross their arms over their chests, sigh, roll their eyes, look this way, look that way. Simple interactions between characters are therefore unnecessarily drawn out, slowing the pace to a deathly near-halt even during the times when the book should be the most riveting.
-An abundance of telling, not showing. Angelini appears not to trust her readers to intuit character emotions through either (overdescribed) actions or (ham-fistedly written) dialogue; we have to be told, as well, what every character thinks. This is exacerbated through the clumsily-executed third-person POV, which is usually quite close to our main character Helen but has a tendency to abruptly jump to other characters for no apparent rhyme or reason other than to reiterate the already-apparent thought processes behind their dialogue.
-A tendency to use overly complex sentence structure which both slows down pacing and needlessly complicates meaning. Rather than vary her sentence structure, Angelini riddles nearly every sentence with dependent clauses and conjunctions. This wouldn't be a crime against prose in-and-of-itself, but used so constantly, it slows the already bogged-down prose even more, causes lapses in clarity, and is sometimes just grammatically incorrect.
All of this is unfortunate, mostly because this sort of problematic prose can be edited quite easily (even if doing so is a time-consuming process); these are issues addressed all over the Internet and in every college creative writing workshop. This kind of prose works against any story, and a book needs to be stellar indeed to overcome it.
Unfortunately, Starcrossed's characters and story are not strong enough to overcome the writing. At first, I hoped it would be—it's got a promising setting (Nantucket) and a fairly interesting premise. Helen Hamilton, raised by her single dad on an isolated New England island, meets a new-comer from a large family and instantly wants to kill him.
The problem is that Angelini has appropriated Greek mythology here in a particularly clumsy way. As executed in Starcrossed, this mythology is beyond convoluted, and Angelini no sooner establishes some mythological detail than to directly contradict it. For example, our main characters are Scions, the descendants of Greek gods, who don't look like their parents but rather have faces recycled from other Scions. Except for one notable exception, who looks just like her mother. Some of these mythological appropriations are just-plain cheesy (the Scions need to kill everyone not descended from the same Greek god so they can raise Atlantis and . . . become immortal?), others are awkwardly inconsistent or cast weird aspersions on mythological characters (the Trojan War happened just like it says in The Iliad, except for the Trojan horse—which, er, wasn't even in The Iliad; rather, Helen just slutted it up so that the Greeks could invade. More on Helen's sluttery in a bit).
But perhaps most troubling, as applied here the bits of prophesy and Greek mythology remove every single instance of organic character conflict in favor of characters being conveniently compelled to do things against their will. Repeatedly, characters will attack others only because they've been prophesized or fated to do so. Characters love one another, likewise, not because they have chemistry or anything in common but because they're caught in some sort of quasi-Buddhist cycle of reincarnation/repetition. They resist one another's advances because terrible things will happen if they get together, not because they actually don't want to sleep with each other, or whatever. And because the mythology is so inconsistently applied, these prophesies and decrees are immediately magically lifted, and everything is rosy again, until the characters are again conveniently fated to do something when the plot demands it.
Angelini's talked again and again about the origin story behind her writing of Starcrossed: she saw Romeo and Juliet sitting beside The Iliad on her bookshelf. The problem with reinvisionings like this one is that they often miss the mark on what made the source material so powerful. Here, she tries to create a blood feud like Romeo and Juliet, but she gets so caught up in making our couple fated and star-crossed that she misses exploring the more dynamic and compelling aspects of Romeo and Juliet's love. Namely, the other doomed pair were raised with the blood feud and were inculcated to hate one another; therefore, their love represents something genuinely transcendent.
But Helen doesn't know anything about this "blood feud" which she is apparently involved in until she meets Lucas. She never really understands the source of it (and no wonder, because it doesn't really make sense) and so the ultimate resolution lacks emotional impact.
There's also a persistent and weird concern here with female sexuality as a weapon. Helen is often criminally underdressed (including, once, in a short, see-through nighty) and is subsequently gawked at by the male characters. She lusts after Lucas, but is repeatedly rebuffed (not because he doesn't want to—of course he "growls" at her that he does—but because of a prophesy. Naturally) and essentially asked to control herself because all sorts of horrid things will happen if they gave in to their natural desires. Though we're told that Lucas's lust is powerful and very, very dangerous, he is able to control himself and hence dictate the terms of their relationship. And this control extends beyond just their sex life; the pair gets into a very scary argument about Helen maybe flirting with other guys, where Helen is told that Lucas is not normally a jealous person but instead just rendered as such because Helen's so beautiful that he can't control himself.
In fact, men here generally have problems controlling themselves around women, and this is always the woman's fault, or, at the very least, the fault of that evil temptress Aphrodite, who is at fault for the Trojan War, for making women like Helen slutty, for making men lose their tempers around women and murder one another, and so on, and so forth.
This even extends to Lucas adorably threatening to kill any man who would "take" Helen's virginity when she proposes to take her sexuality in her own hands. How romantic!
Call me a feminist prude if you want, but I found this all exactly as troubling as the implied sexual violence of Twilight (and if you haven't, you should really read Vinaya's review of Starcrossed, which more thoroughly explores the similarities between the two books), if not more so.
All of this is really a shame. I love Greek mythology and have been eager to read a well-written, thoughtful YA retelling of the Greek myths. Unfortunately, Starcrossed is neither.
A review copy was generously provided by the publisher and NetGalley.
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Reading Progress
| 04/24/2011 | page 33 |
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7.0% | "Man, this is awkward, amateur-ish prose." 4 comments |
| 04/25/2011 | page 51 |
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10.0% | "I have noticed something about the stylistics of this book. This book is overly detailed and at times repetitious. The repetition of key phrases means that every paragraph is about a half a page long. Awkwardly, there are many adverbs." 3 comments |
| 04/27/2011 | page 145 |
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29.0% | "So I've started paying closer attention to the prose. I have yet to find a single unadorned instance of "said." Everything is "hissed" or "pleaded quietly" or "said earnestly."" 20 comments |
| 04/29/2011 | page 204 |
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41.0% | ". . . Atlantis? Seriously?" |
| 04/29/2011 | page 204 |
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41.0% | "This is such an inane butchering of Greek mythology. I was feeling two-starish up to now despite the prose, but . . ." 2 comments |
| 05/01/2011 | page 228 |
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46.0% | "Now there's something called "curse cramps."" 6 comments |
| 05/03/2011 | page 300 |
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60.0% | "Now her friend breezily informs her that she's always known she could fly--she just never mentioned it. Tee hee! This book is dragging on SO LONG." 1 comment |
| 05/03/2011 | page 312 |
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63.0% | "Wait wait wait . . . overachieving wanna-be-valedictorian BFF is Japanese? How did I miss this? Also, helllooo stereotype." |
| 05/03/2011 | page 319 |
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64.0% | "Why are women always insatiable in these books, while men are controlled? It's ick." 1 comment |
| 05/03/2011 | page 349 |
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70.0% | "Passage of creepy jealous allegations." |
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Why did I know this would be bad? It's just a feeling that I get whenever a PNR book gets more than a six figure advance. I don't want to wish bad on the author, but seriously. Why can't I get paid for my twi-fan fics? I've got three unfinished ones sitting right here. (view spoiler)
Cory wrote: "Why did I know this would be bad? It's just a feeling that I get whenever a PNR book gets more than a six figure advance. I don't want to wish bad on the author, but seriously. Why can't I get paid..."Change them into Loch Ness Monsters plz.
Yikes. Harsh, but thorough review. The book didnt do it for me too. However, I think she will get better with her prose. She's a debut author, and not everyone was lucky enough to get an MFA, or, mostly importantly, a good editor to pick all these stuff out.
I guess at the end of the day, HC just didnt care though.
Cory and Stephanie,Do you guys know if it was the author herself that described her book as the next Twilight, or her publishers?
Because if she did, she shot herself in the foot.
TheDuchess wrote: "Yikes. Harsh, but thorough review. The book didnt do it for me too. However, I think she will get better with her prose. She's a debut author, and not everyone was lucky enough to get an MFA, or, ..."
I hope she improves. Sadly, I think a lot of authors with highly-hyped books actually don't improve over time, as they seem to gain enough clout to avoid editing.
As for the "not everyone's lucky enough to get an MFA" stuff, sure, but like I said, this is the kind of unpolished writing that could be helped with an easy "beginning writing tips" Google. It's not like knowledge of sentence construction is locked up in the ivory tower of academia or anything. :)
I hope she improves too. At least she might be able to live up to that seven figure deal. It's funny that it took someone like Sarah Dessen(who's just ok by my standards) years to quit their job after they got published, but we have these authors getting huge bonuses for doing little to no original work. I'm wondering if they actually have a copy of the Wikipedia summary for Twilight printed out by their computers. I've said this a million times, but I've seen better on FictionPress.
True. I sort of really feel bad for her. I'm not sure why. If I get a book deal, I will kindly tell my publishers to please not announce what they paid me because it's against my religion or something. (If it's possible to do that, of course).
Regarding the MFA thing, I didnt really mean it like, oh getting an MFA will elevate your writing. Karsten Knight apparently, is almost done with his MFA, and his writing is a little off to me.One of my favorite YA writers, DeStefano, she doesnt have an MFA. So, maybe some of it is just pure talent to, who knows?
All the MFAs or degrees in the world doesnt mean you are going to know how to tell a compelling story anyway. Sure, you might know the mechanics, but no MFA will teach you to how to tell a story that will move people to tears.
According to Barbara Poelle, in the world of writing (fiction), PHDs mean nada.
I think when this book comes out, and people hear how much she got for it, the reviews are going to be harsh.
TheDuchess wrote: "Cory and Stephanie,Do you guys know if it was the author herself that described her book as the next Twilight, or her publishers?
Because if she did, she shot herself in the foot."
I don't know. But I'm willing to bet it was the publisher.
I believe both Evermore (Alyson Noel) and Wondrous Strange (Lesley Livington) were both considered to have written the next Twilight series (WTF, right?). But it wasn't they themselves that made the claim.
TheDuchess wrote: "True. I sort of really feel bad for her. I'm not sure why. If I get a book deal, I will kindly tell my publishers to please not announce what they paid me because it's against my religion or somet..."
I definitely think this kind of focus on the financials of publishing means that there are a lot of high expectations for quality--maybe unrealistically so. If this was just another debut novel, I would have glanced at it, maybe, but not forced myself to read further, hoping for some kind of huge pay-off.
Cory wrote: "I hope she improves too. At least she might be able to live up to that seven figure deal. It's funny that it took someone like Sarah Dessen(who's just ok by my standards) years to quit their job af..."Cory,
I have to disagree with you. I'm really getting tired of people comparing every book to Twilight. Sure, it's possible some people rip it off. But, I truly doubt anyone has a summary of Twilight or something.
We might bash these books, but it's because they are not to our taste (In the first place, they shouldnt be because they are not written for our age range (not you, Cory.) But these all goes back to what I was saying the other day that there is or should be a fundamental difference in terms of themes tackled when it comes to YA and Adult fiction.)
I think I read Vinaya's review weeks ago. Sure, it is completely possible this chic ripped off Twilight, but it's also completely possible she didnt. For a high school romance, Stephenie M pretty much followed the standard time line.
For instance I read people saying because in this book, Helen brushes her teeth and goes to tell her dad goodnight, just like Bella did, the author is ripping off Twilight. Really though?
That is normal teen behavior when they have stuff to hide. Stephenie Meyer did not invent that.
My problem with this book is that I didnt like it. I couldnt connect it. Simple. Also, I think I'm getting too old to be reading books like this, so maybe the problem is me.
Good review!!To be fair, Aphrodite is one of the big causes of the Trojan War. Some King didn't pray at her altar (or something) and so she cursed his descendants to be chronically 'unfaithful'. Among his descendants: Leda (and I scoff at Leda being raped as being considered 'unfaithful') and of course her daughter Helen. Considering the time and place it was written, it shouldn't be a shock to see so much regressive and unforgiving portrayals of women in Greek Mythology and classical writing - there was obviously slut shaming. But a good writer, especially a writer wanting to use these works should have first studied them, tried to understand them from that standpoint and tried to lampshade, deconstruct and subvert those ideologies. Rather it seems Angelini just read the wikipedia article, took some plot points and made shit up so she could have an excuse to write her own Romeo and Juliet-lite. Which is sad and a waste of rich source material.
Stephanie wrote: "Why are the finances being announced in the first place? That seems strange to me."Preach!!
Not this book specifically Duchess(although the similarities are pretty ridiculous).I mean Hush, Hush, Evermore, Fallen, and the gang. They're all so similar to Twilight, it's astoundingly ridiculous. Especially Hush, Hush.
I'm sick of people comparing stuff to Twilight too, but when they are Twilight, just repackaged with different creatures, it's kind of hard not to compare them.
Take Wicked Lovely. At first glance, it's kind of like Twilight. But it doesn't get the comparisons because it's a totally different idea with a similar premise. Sure, there are only so many plots, but it's just plain lazy what these authors are doing.
Actually funnily enough Melissa Marr has been insulted by other writers at a conference who basically said "how does it feel to be riding on Twilight's coat-tails" or something.I do think a lot of stories are written TO be similar to Twilight, while there are also a lot of stories that are being hyped by the publisher as being similar to Twilight even if they're really not. I can't say which one this is since I haven't read it. Then again, there are a lot of ways in which you can be influenced by a book: sometimes that comes in the form of plotlines being ripped word for word (ala Hush Hush) but sometimes the influence is a little more imperceptible. In the case of the sexual violence being done here, the men who are in control of their sexuality and thus must refuse the sexual advances of the women who are not in control of their own (dangerous) sexuality and must be kept at bay...that idea's been around since Plato (and probably before). But it's possible that Twilight made it more popular in this particular sphere. It's possible that the author, being a fan of Twilight, didn't set out to copy that relationship consciously, but reproduced it simply because it appealed to her when reading that book?
I dunnooo
TheDuchess wrote: "Cory wrote: "I hope she improves too. At least she might be able to live up to that seven figure deal. It's funny that it took someone like Sarah Dessen(who's just ok by my standards) years to quit..."I've been wondering the same thing lately. Are YA books really starting to annoy me because it's not written for me? I don't know.
On one hand I say yes, but I suppose it depends on the book. Are teens just going to be in a state of constant self-indulgent angst? If so, then ya, that book isn't for me because I can't relate to those characters. On the other hand, there are some nice gems among the YA camp that I really enjoy. I suppose, for me, it comes down to believability and beautiful writing. I don't have time to read about emotional teens and why their lov interest is ignoring them.
Cory wrote: "Not this book specifically Duchess(although the similarities are pretty ridiculous).I mean Hush, Hush, Evermore, Fallen, and the gang. They're all so similar to Twilight, it's astoundingly ridicu..."
I agree. I feel as if this book doesnt even need the Twilight comparison to get a one star from me. I really like the author, so I decided not to review it. Also, since this is her first novel, I feel a little leniency is in order.
Say what you want about Lauren Kate, those of us who read-umm-skimmed through Torment could see her writing got better. I havent read the sequels of any of the others, (Hush hush, Evermore,) so I dont know if they improved too.
Stephanie wrote: "TheDuchess wrote: "Cory wrote: "I hope she improves too. At least she might be able to live up to that seven figure deal. It's funny that it took someone like Sarah Dessen(who's just ok by my stand..."I think the fairy tale this is supposed to bring for teens just doesnt have that effect on me, and so I cant suspend my disbelief.
Vi wrote: "Actually funnily enough Melissa Marr has been insulted by other writers at a conference who basically said "how does it feel to be riding on Twilight's coat-tails" or something.I do think a lot o..."
I actually read about something like this. From what I read Meyer was the one who dissed Marr first and said C Clare was better than Marr. Marr therefore hates C Clare or something. It was a big mess.
Evermore got worse. Trust me on that. I read on until book 4. As for Hush, Hush, it was too painful for me to finish. Fallen was probably my favorite out of the bunch, but I don't ever see myself rooting for dumber than shit Luce and Daniel. Leniency is in order, but honestly, I don't like using that as an excuse. You do have the choice to use critique groups and get short stories published before you jump the gun with your full length novel. If I wasted my time with your crap, I'm going to tell you that it's crap no matter how much I like you. And before we say that it's because I don't know them, I do it for my sisters with their stories too. I'm just unforgiving like that.
Vi wrote: "Actually funnily enough Melissa Marr has been insulted by other writers at a conference who basically said "how does it feel to be riding on Twilight's coat-tails" or something.I do think a lot o..."
I suppose that is possible. But people just keep on buying the books. So publishers will keep giving the people what they ask for.
Hush, Hush was sooooo Twihard. I actually have a friend who doesn't think Twilight is all that good, but gave Hush, Hush a 5/5 and called it her favorite book. Ummm, huh?! It's the same thing, but with angels.
I didn't know Melissa Marr was compared to Twilight. I don't really see it. Especially not with the other YA books that are a bit more obvious.
Cory wrote: "Evermore got worse. Trust me on that. I read on until book 4. As for Hush, Hush, it was too painful for me to finish. Fallen was probably my favorite out of the bunch, but I don't ever see myself r..."I think I started the 3rd book (Shadowland ??) and I couldn't finish it. It was awful. Did you know it was supposed to be done into a TV series?
I did finish Hush, Hush, but I didn't read the second one. I didn't read Fallen.
Vi wrote: "Good review!!To be fair, Aphrodite is one of the big causes of the Trojan War. Some King didn't pray at her altar (or something) and so she cursed his descendants to be chronically 'unfaithful'. ..."
Oh, I'm not denying that she was somewhat complicit in the events of the Trojan War (judgment of Paris and all of that), but the interpretation here is extremely oversimplified and skewed toward an interpretation that leaves the male actors utterly blameless and instead pins it all on Helen/Aphrodite. Which is rage-inducing. Because you have to blame a lot of what went down back then on Paris, in the very least.
As for Twilight similarities, this is really nearly plot-point-by-plot-point identical.
(I'm a big sucker for certain YA romances. I mean, LJ Smith, and all that. I'm not immune to forbidden twu wuv, but I need to understand both why a couple is in love and the mechanisms by which they're kept apart.)
Phoebe, I think you're 100% right about missing the real power in Romeo and Juliet. "My only love sprung from my only hate" isn't nearly as powerful when you know there is no awareness of the feud or motivation for the dislike. I'm also so disturbed by the implication that she has to remain chaste to soothe his jealous rages, even after he's rigorously turned her down.Where were these guys when I was in high school? I'm pretty sure if I had announced to a teenage boy I was seriously interested in the backseat of his car there would have been a Edward Cullen esque speeding up/blurring of our surroundings until said car was a foot away. In fictional worlds it's always the boys with the super human control. Girls are only allowed ot have sex drives with someone who's going to protect their virginity
Excellent review, Phoebe.I enjoyed your points about writing craft, style and story-telling.
I love your feminist prudery so please don't stop. The gender inequality when it comes to sexuality in these books is simply unacceptable to me.
Lucy wrote: " Girls are only allowed ot have sex drives with someone who's going to protect their virginity."YES, that's precisely my problem with it.
& thanks for the kind words, all.
Great, well-written review. With more books like this following the Twilight trend, I see the genre crashing like the housing market by 2014.
>>In fictional worlds it's always the boys with the super human control. Girls are only allowed ot have sex drives with someone who's going to protect their virginity Definitely, Lucy. This is why I get angry when people say that books are just entertainment. What happens in books is a direct result of the authors who themselves are products of cultural influences and ideas that have been around for centuries. This all goes back to the 'men = head = reason' and 'women = body = emotion = temptation' shit that was around thousands of years ago, and it hasn't gone away because it's continuously reproduced in these other forums and legitimated by ppl thinking it's a)correct b) natural and c) romantic. So sad.
This book didn't do it for me. So much exposition. And total disregard for "show not tell". I start wondering whether all those who have given it 4-5 stars have read a totally different book? The description of "Percy Jackson meets Twilight" is correct, in that it takes the demigod notion and mixes it into the Twilight plot...Do people just want to read "Twilight Retold" all the freakin' time?
TheDuchess wrote: I actually read about something like this. From what I read Meyer was the one who dissed Marr first and said C Clare was better than Marr. Marr therefore hates C Clare or something. It was a big mess. "In a thing about books she currently likes, Meyer swerved to bring up how much better City of Bones was compared to Wicked Lovely (which had not been mentioned by anyone): "The thing that really gets me about City of Bones is that it is about 200 times better than Wicked Lovely, but Wicked Lovely is the one that gets all the accolades and the prominent shelving in the bookstores. Yes, WL has a wickedly lovely cover, but just go google the City of Bones cover. OH. MY."
Marr responded that she didn't get this whole competition thing (she actually requested that a cover quote not be from a review that referenced Twilight), that she prefers to praise books she likes rather than mention ones she doesn't and asked that the forum members not judge books based on what Marr does/doesn't like (or who doesn't like Marr's writing).
What keeps popping into my mind about this is if the MC is going to be called Helen, why not have the Paris figure as Alexander? I can understand why a boy might not be called Paris today but Alexander is a good name....



