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The Goddess Test (Goddess Test, #1)
by Aimee Carter (Goodreads Author)
by Aimee Carter (Goodreads Author)
Vinaya's review
bookshelves: ya-fantasy, arc-galley, books-i-hated, jeez-they-ll-publish-anything
Mar 12, 11
bookshelves: ya-fantasy, arc-galley, books-i-hated, jeez-they-ll-publish-anything
Read from March 10 to 11, 2011
Dear Ms. Carter,
Since you appear to unable or unwilling to stretch your research skills so far as to google the Greek gods, I have prepared for you a small primer, in the hopes that your future endeavours will not gratuitously and flagrantly denude one of the oldest mythologies in the world. Following is a (very short) account of some of the major Olympian gods who apparently play a role in your “book”.
Zeus: The ruler of the gods. That means what he says goes. This is a pantheon of the gods, not a bloody democracy. Now let’s see... Zeus, the man who is guilty of patricide, incest, adultery and bestiality. He, fulfilling a prophecy of Uranus and Gaia, killed his father and his uncles. He married his sister, Hera. He then went on to consistently cheat on her with a variety of mortal and non-mortal women. He is believed to have had secks in animal form with Leda. He is, in fact, related to most of the Greek pantheon BY BLOOD. He is the brother of Hera, Poseidon, Hades and Hestia, who were all born of the Titan Cronos and his sister-wife Rhea.
Hera: The sister-wife of Zeus, she spends all of her time chasing jealously after the various conquests of Zeus and attempting to destroy them and their demi-god offspring. You know what she didn’t have time for? Falling in love with her other brother, that’s what.
Poseidon: He is the vengeful god of the sea. He , like his brother, liked to chase the women and give them babies. He is said to have raped a nymph and slept with his granddaughter.
Demeter: In some mythological texts, this is another instance of brother-chasing-sister. She turns herself into a mare to avoid Poseidon, but he ends up catching her in his stallion form and having wild animal secks with her... literally! In so far as I am aware, she didn’t give a shit about Hades and his existence, except for hating him for kidnapping her daughter, Persephone.
Aphrodite: The goddess of lust and beauty. Need I say more?
Hades: Ah, the big one. Hades was the god of the Underworld. He tricked and kidnapped Persephone (his niece!) and trapped her in the Underworld. He was charged with maintaining the balance, which meant he was not about to randomly grant dead people their lives back. No, he was not in the business of patching up broken skulls and sending dead souls back into the living world. Really.
He was as sexually active as the rest of his family, pursuing nymphs left, right and centre. He was DEFINITELY not a virgin, and being guilty of patricide (and marrying his own niece), I find it hard to imagine that he would be happy about being portrayed as a lonely, troubled, sensitive and considerate young man. And as for being stuck with a pussy name like Henry, well, let’s just say Tartarus isn’t going to be a happy place for anyone guilty of such blasphemy.
Are you noticing the common thread here? No? Allow me to point out to you the things the ancient Greek gods DIDN’T care about: Anger, Envy, Greed, Pride, Sloth, Gluttony and LUST. You know what’s so great about being a god? You don’t have to conform to some measly human notion of morality and sin. You don’t have to ‘test’ the humans in order to give them immortality. You don’t have to pass your decision through a ‘council’. You just do what the hell you want, because you’re a god, not a paper-pusher. Accountability is a human notion; gods are above it. That’s kind of why they are called gods.
In the event that said gods wanted to make humans prove that they were worthy of being immortal, they sent them on a quest. That, in case, you didn’t know, is a heroic endeavour meant to test strength, courage and intelligence. Not moral fibre. Again, the Greek gods didn’t HAVE moral fibre, so they couldn’t care less about it. So, I’d say that pretty much rules out history tests and sharing your clothes with your friends. I mean, COME ON. Is that the best you can do? ‘You shared your clothes with your friends, my dear, so you can live forever!’
The Greek pantheon preceded Christian theology by several thousand years. Try not to mix your religions, it always ends badly. You might also want to keep in mind that gods are not sweeter, kinder versions of humanity. They have no humanity. They don’t fall in love, get married and live happily ever after in domestic bliss with 2.5 children. So if your heroine is asking the Lord of the Underworld whether he wants what other ‘people’ want — marriage, a home and a family, chances are, she is going to be laughed out of the Underworld. Not looked at wistfully and tenderly.
Henry is the worst representation of a romantic hero that I can think of. Unless we are now trying to portray the Greek gods as Victorian maidens. He moans and sighs and languishes in a manner that is an embarrassment to gods everywhere. It could have been an interesting plotline that Henry was in love with someone else, if it weren’t for the fact that he’s so drippy about it, you want to give him some laudanum and put him to sleep on the fainting couch.
Your heroine too, could use some increase in IQ. I believe, as she exists currently, she falls in two categories of unlikeable women: goody-two-shoes and too stupid to live.
On a non-mythological note, I would like to submit a complaint, as a reader of average intelligence. I am not five. Could you kindly refrain from talking down to me? The ‘twists’ in this book were laughably obvious. From Kate’s mother’s identity to that of James, to that of the murderer, it took me about five seconds to figure out. Maybe next time we could try for an actual mystery? Just a suggestion.
Also, if you could refrain from wimping out in your sex scenes, you would earn my eternal gratitude. Teenagers can and do have sex. Normal, happy sex with boys they love. They don’t need to be forced into it by a sophist trick like the inclusion of aphrodisiacs. If you could stop including plotlines that make me throw up in my head, I would be thankful.
I hope my little notes have been of a helpful nature in guiding you towards a more entertaining, well-researched novel. You will forgive me, however, if I don’t have the courage to verify for myself whether your next attempt at writing goes better than your first. I value my sanity.
Yours sincerely,
A Reader
P.S. This book was provided to me by the publishers via Net Galley. No considerations, monetary or otherwise, influenced this review.
Since you appear to unable or unwilling to stretch your research skills so far as to google the Greek gods, I have prepared for you a small primer, in the hopes that your future endeavours will not gratuitously and flagrantly denude one of the oldest mythologies in the world. Following is a (very short) account of some of the major Olympian gods who apparently play a role in your “book”.
Zeus: The ruler of the gods. That means what he says goes. This is a pantheon of the gods, not a bloody democracy. Now let’s see... Zeus, the man who is guilty of patricide, incest, adultery and bestiality. He, fulfilling a prophecy of Uranus and Gaia, killed his father and his uncles. He married his sister, Hera. He then went on to consistently cheat on her with a variety of mortal and non-mortal women. He is believed to have had secks in animal form with Leda. He is, in fact, related to most of the Greek pantheon BY BLOOD. He is the brother of Hera, Poseidon, Hades and Hestia, who were all born of the Titan Cronos and his sister-wife Rhea.
Hera: The sister-wife of Zeus, she spends all of her time chasing jealously after the various conquests of Zeus and attempting to destroy them and their demi-god offspring. You know what she didn’t have time for? Falling in love with her other brother, that’s what.
Poseidon: He is the vengeful god of the sea. He , like his brother, liked to chase the women and give them babies. He is said to have raped a nymph and slept with his granddaughter.
Demeter: In some mythological texts, this is another instance of brother-chasing-sister. She turns herself into a mare to avoid Poseidon, but he ends up catching her in his stallion form and having wild animal secks with her... literally! In so far as I am aware, she didn’t give a shit about Hades and his existence, except for hating him for kidnapping her daughter, Persephone.
Aphrodite: The goddess of lust and beauty. Need I say more?
Hades: Ah, the big one. Hades was the god of the Underworld. He tricked and kidnapped Persephone (his niece!) and trapped her in the Underworld. He was charged with maintaining the balance, which meant he was not about to randomly grant dead people their lives back. No, he was not in the business of patching up broken skulls and sending dead souls back into the living world. Really.
He was as sexually active as the rest of his family, pursuing nymphs left, right and centre. He was DEFINITELY not a virgin, and being guilty of patricide (and marrying his own niece), I find it hard to imagine that he would be happy about being portrayed as a lonely, troubled, sensitive and considerate young man. And as for being stuck with a pussy name like Henry, well, let’s just say Tartarus isn’t going to be a happy place for anyone guilty of such blasphemy.
Are you noticing the common thread here? No? Allow me to point out to you the things the ancient Greek gods DIDN’T care about: Anger, Envy, Greed, Pride, Sloth, Gluttony and LUST. You know what’s so great about being a god? You don’t have to conform to some measly human notion of morality and sin. You don’t have to ‘test’ the humans in order to give them immortality. You don’t have to pass your decision through a ‘council’. You just do what the hell you want, because you’re a god, not a paper-pusher. Accountability is a human notion; gods are above it. That’s kind of why they are called gods.
In the event that said gods wanted to make humans prove that they were worthy of being immortal, they sent them on a quest. That, in case, you didn’t know, is a heroic endeavour meant to test strength, courage and intelligence. Not moral fibre. Again, the Greek gods didn’t HAVE moral fibre, so they couldn’t care less about it. So, I’d say that pretty much rules out history tests and sharing your clothes with your friends. I mean, COME ON. Is that the best you can do? ‘You shared your clothes with your friends, my dear, so you can live forever!’
The Greek pantheon preceded Christian theology by several thousand years. Try not to mix your religions, it always ends badly. You might also want to keep in mind that gods are not sweeter, kinder versions of humanity. They have no humanity. They don’t fall in love, get married and live happily ever after in domestic bliss with 2.5 children. So if your heroine is asking the Lord of the Underworld whether he wants what other ‘people’ want — marriage, a home and a family, chances are, she is going to be laughed out of the Underworld. Not looked at wistfully and tenderly.
Henry is the worst representation of a romantic hero that I can think of. Unless we are now trying to portray the Greek gods as Victorian maidens. He moans and sighs and languishes in a manner that is an embarrassment to gods everywhere. It could have been an interesting plotline that Henry was in love with someone else, if it weren’t for the fact that he’s so drippy about it, you want to give him some laudanum and put him to sleep on the fainting couch.
Your heroine too, could use some increase in IQ. I believe, as she exists currently, she falls in two categories of unlikeable women: goody-two-shoes and too stupid to live.
On a non-mythological note, I would like to submit a complaint, as a reader of average intelligence. I am not five. Could you kindly refrain from talking down to me? The ‘twists’ in this book were laughably obvious. From Kate’s mother’s identity to that of James, to that of the murderer, it took me about five seconds to figure out. Maybe next time we could try for an actual mystery? Just a suggestion.
Also, if you could refrain from wimping out in your sex scenes, you would earn my eternal gratitude. Teenagers can and do have sex. Normal, happy sex with boys they love. They don’t need to be forced into it by a sophist trick like the inclusion of aphrodisiacs. If you could stop including plotlines that make me throw up in my head, I would be thankful.
I hope my little notes have been of a helpful nature in guiding you towards a more entertaining, well-researched novel. You will forgive me, however, if I don’t have the courage to verify for myself whether your next attempt at writing goes better than your first. I value my sanity.
Yours sincerely,
A Reader
P.S. This book was provided to me by the publishers via Net Galley. No considerations, monetary or otherwise, influenced this review.
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Lol did you fall for it? I bet you were wondering if I had been taken over by the pod people! :D
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For a second I thought you'd gone over to the darkside :D I swear I thought the pod people had got you.
This is too heartfelt to be a prank, Vinaya. Just admit it, you lurved it and are too afraid to say it:)
Come on, Hellion, how could you not fall for a
Vinaya, you're an evil mastermind. I totally bought your little story. It was great. :) Thanks for the laugh, I so needed it.
Hey, when you finish the real—yeah, right, we believe you—review, don't delete this one. Just add it at the end. This is too good to just lose it!
Chichipio wrote: "Hey, when you finish the real—yeah, right, we believe you—review, don't delete this one. Just add it at the end. This is too good to just lose it!"It's epic. Keep the star rating too. It'll really piss off some teens(and the author) looking for positive reviews.
Huh, why does the goddess test have only one edition? I was going to put the real review on another edition, but now they're all clumped together!
I so fell for that. The part where you sobbed at the sex scene I honestly was just like "Well, alright..." Now I'm almost ashamed? I'll be over here softly stroking my dignity...
"P.S. This book was provided to me by the publishers via Net Galley. Obviously they did not pay me to write this review. They may, however, soon pay me to take it down. I shall not accept. I have values."Was there really any need for this? There's no evidence that I can see of Netgalley ever asking anybody to take a negative review down in exchange for money, and I can't imagine that pointless disclaimers like this (not to mention some of the 'screw the author' comments in this thread) are going to help with the air of negativity surrounding the reviewing world at the moment.
Sean, it was just meant to be a joke. I'm sorry you thought it was in bad taste, but I wasn't really implying anything like that when I put it up. I guess I just figured people would accept it as the tongue-in-cheek comment it is and move on. Also, I didn't really see any 'screw the author' comments on this thread. I WILL censor people who are abusive and/or violent, but the comments that are on here are gentle jibes, at best, and I don't think I have the right to ask people to be THAT nice. Sorry.
I think part of the whole problem with blowing author-reviewer relationships out of proportion is the fact that now everyone is expected to walk on eggshells. Sure, my disclaimer was pointless, but I wasn't MAKING a point, I was just being funny, and if people want to blow that out of proportion, I can't stop them. I don't want to end up in a place where I'm scared of someone taking offence at everything I say. I hope that if the publishers DO come across this review, they will take it in the spirit it was intended, and not some implication of a deep-seated conspiracy to wipe out negative reviewing. But if does turn out to be something that stirs up a controversy, I promise you I will take it down and apologize.
LOL!!! As Greek I approve the 101 in greek mythology, but you're wrong that they didn't have humanity...the had all our weaknesses! and they were in a way a mirror of the morals of the ancient Greeks! morality was perceived by a very different prism in ancient times before Christianity and not just in Greece and Rome who had common culture.
Sean, it was just meant to be a joke. I'm sorry you thought it was in bad taste, but I wasn't really implying anything like that when I put it up. I guess I just figured people would accept it as the tongue-in-cheek comment it is and move on. I realise it was intended as a joke, but it's the kind of joke we probably don't need at the moment. There's already a weird (and largely imaginary) persecution complex developing on both sides of the reviewer/publisher divide. You and I know that Netgalley isn't trying to pay people off in exchange for the removal of negative reviews, but non-reviews may not. I could imagine somebody seeing this and getting it into their heads that there's some sort of war for integrity going on behind the scenes.
(I'm only talking about that last paragraph here, by the way. I think reviews themselves should be just as negative as the book deserves.)
Vinaya wrote: "Also, I didn't really see any 'screw the author' comments on this thread. I WILL censor people who are abusive and/or violent, but the comments that are on here are gentle jibes, at best, and I don't think I have the right to ask people to be THAT nice. Sorry."
I was specifically referring to Cory's comment about '[pissing] off some teens (and the author too) looking for positive reviews'. God knows, I've posted negative reviews with a certain amount of glee myself, but attempting to intentionally irritate an author is a bit much. I realise that most likely wasn't your intent when you posted the 'fake' review, though. I'm just disappointed that some people on this site (not you) are getting excessive in their negativity.
Sean wrote: "I was specifically referring to Cory's comment about '[pissing] off some teens (and the author too) looking for positive reviews'. God knows, I've posted negative reviews with a certain amount of glee myself, but attempting to intentionally irritate an author is a bit much. I realise that most likely wasn't your intent when you posted the 'fake' review, though. I'm just disappointed that some people on this site (not you) are getting excessive in their negativity. "My comment was meant very literally. Her first review would indeed piss off a few teens and the author, simply because it was saying everything about the book wasn't very good. I didn't mean it in a mean or snide way, and I wasn't jabbing at the author. It's a fact. If I was the author of this book, I'd be mad too. I wasn't being negative, just honest.
Cory wrote: "Sean wrote: "I was specifically referring to Cory's comment about '[pissing] off some teens (and the author too) looking for positive reviews'. God knows, I've posted negative reviews with a certai..."There's a difference between a negative review that's upfront and a negative review with a 5-star rating that's meant as a 'trap' for people in search of positive reviews. The latter feels more like someone having a cheap laugh rather than giving an honest assessment of a book.
@Anthi: When I said they didn't have humanity, I didn't mean they had no faults, or failings. What I meant to say was that they didn't think about the things the same way the humans do. For them, human beings were objects of lust and instruments in their power games. Like pawns in a godly chess game. The concerns of mortals are rarely the concerns of the gods. I'm not sure I'm explaining this properly, ugh!@Sean: I DID write that first review for laughs, but it was a sort of placeholder review while I worked on the real one, and it was intended as a prank for friends only. I guess it was thoughtless of me not to consider that other people may come across it... well, it's done and there's no five stars there anymore, so I guess it's all good. I do get your point about the fake disclosure, though, so it's off! Cheers.
Vinaya wrote: "Sean, it was just meant to be a joke. I'm sorry you thought it was in bad taste, but I wasn't really implying anything like that when I put it up. I guess I just figured people would accept it as t..."So this is how an internet bruhaha starts LOL!! I think we're blowing this out of proportion and I agree with Vinaya on this!
Wow. I'm sorry but I'm confused. And I don't mean to sound cruel but...Was harm done to NetGalley and/or the publisher because of a temporary joke played by a non-professional reviewer on a site made of non-professional reviewers? Are they going to not be able to sleep at night because of this? I think not.
In fact, I bet the publisher's are sleeping just fine on their bed made of money that they have because of the firestorm created by books like this.
Sometimes a joke is just a joke. Not meant to destroy the lives of people who may or may not read it and may or may not even be offended by it.
lol I love how random people get SO UPSET over what ONE REVIEWER out of THOUSANDS on this site decides to do with their OWN review space. I mean seriously, are we allowed to go around policing other people's reviews? The whole thing is ridiculous and wreaks of self-righteousness butthurt, to be quite honest.Vinaya, I wouldn't have taken it down if I were you, but you handled it really maturely considering the circumstances. And I thought your joke was funny :)
And really, people need to get over themselves.
I don't know--I snickered a bit at the original review, but I'm still grappling with a lot of the weird comments that keep cropping up regarding NetGalley. As a new company, I doubt they have a bed made of money--and they encourage reviewers again and again to write honest reviews, or even not review at all. And I've seen at least one interview series with publishers somewhere on the blogosphere that indicated that publishers are happy to receive negative reviews as well (I wish I could find it now...). So I'm glad Vinaya took that bit down, if only because it didn't seem particularly truthful and, even if it's not causing "direct harm" (hell, I bet Harlequin would be the first to tell us that they're happy that this post has their title popping up on our friends' feeds again and again!), it does seem to contribute to an "us vs. them" mentality that's not necessarily grounded in fact.
Oh no! I was actually just referring to the publishers themselves, not NetGalley. I absolutely LOVE NetGalley. It just upsets me that publishers make the majority of money from most books, leaving the authors with an extremely low percentage.Just trying making the point that I doubt the publishers would be upset by a joke made by one reviewer on Goodreads.
I fixed it. :-)I seriously have the biggest crush and utmost respect for Netgalley. And I bet it's true that the publishers are like "Bring on the scandal!" Any publicity is good publicity, or so they say.
Not to change the subject or anything... but why aren't more people focused on the fact that she became immortal BECAUSE SHE SHARED HER NEW CLOTHES WITH OTHER PEOPLE?!!!! What is this, kindergarten?!
Thank you, Vi! And thank you for calling me mature, I LOVE it when that happens! Also, for finding my joke funny, which happens EVEN MORE rarely! ;-)
What, Vinaya? You're jokes are so funny! Especially the Katsa one, I still laugh about that sometimes.
Vinaya wrote: "Not to change the subject or anything... but why aren't more people focused on the fact that she became immortal BECAUSE SHE SHARED HER NEW CLOTHES WITH OTHER PEOPLE?!!!! What is this, kindergarten?!"It's part of what's baffling me about this book. Like some authors/editors ultimately think so little of teen girls that the very idea that they might do something even slightly altruistic is so mind-exploding that immortality is the only reward we can conceive as suitable for their 'achievement'. And considering the way that most teen girls are portrayed (in books aimed at teen girls oh the irony) I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
But most likely I think it was just laziness from an author without the imagination to pull off something better.
Vinaya wrote: "Not to change the subject or anything... but why aren't more people focused on the fact that she became immortal BECAUSE SHE SHARED HER NEW CLOTHES WITH OTHER PEOPLE?!!!! What is this, kindergarten?!"I'm still wondering about this too. Isn't she 18? She a good moral deed be donating your allowance to a save the world fund or something? Maybe working at a shelter after school and on the weekends?
Vi wrote: "But most likely I think it was just laziness from an author without the imagination to pull off something better."I kind of suspected this too. Because the blurb and the title made it sound like the tests are the core of the book, but then they just sort of fade into the background and come back into play only in the end. It's like false advertising, you know? You're expecting an adventure story, and you get some watered-down love story. Ugh!
Hey, thanks for taking it down. I wasn't trying to force your hand on that or anything, but I'm glad you did.
No worries. :) Didn't you hear, I'm mature! *pats self proudly* But seriously, I saw your point and it was valid, so don't worry about forcing my hand or anything.
The clothes sharing thing REALLY bugged me. The tests as a whole bugged me especially in juxtiposition with Heracles' tests. It's actually really demeaning that the gods hand over immortality to a woman because she doesn't eat for an afternoon and shares her clothes, yet they make Heracles kill a freaking Hydra. And not just ANY Hydra, either. The Learnean Hydra!
Oh dear is this one really that bad? I was so looking forward to it since it had Greek mythology in it. Sigh. Henry? Really? Well Isuppose I'll read it anyway, if just for the laughs.
Awww, it's so sweet of you to try to make me feel better about not having had a real troll yet, but it doesn't count if I know what you're doing! *pats ferret head*






