Kat Kennedy's Reviews > Madame Bovary
Madame Bovary
by Gustave Flaubert, Margaret Mauldon , Malcolm Bowie , Mark Overstall
by Gustave Flaubert, Margaret Mauldon , Malcolm Bowie , Mark Overstall
Henry James once said, "Madame Bovary has a perfection that not only stamps it, but that makes it stand almost alone; it holds itself with such a supreme unapproachable assurance as both excites and defies judgment."
That's right. Defies judgment.

I don't know... he looks kind of judgy to me...
Unfortunately, I had to read a translation as my French is nowhere near good enough to read the original. Though I am assured that the prose in the original French are amazing and inspiring.
I can certainly appreciate the characterization and story-telling ability but I personally struggled with the story as I reconciled what Flaubert seemed to be saying about society, women, women who had affairs, men and romance.
Now, I would like to take a moment to quote Manny's Review, since he is the one who convinced me to read this book in the first place.
"Flaubert makes no obvious attempt to judge Emma..."
No, Flaubert doesn't break up his beautiful prose at any point with, "So whilst that is a very nice tree, I would like to intrude and mention that Emma is, like, a total ho! So, now back to the tree..."
I feel he doesn't do this because that would be superfluous. In fact, it seems to me that he doesn't stop judging through this entire book.

The judgement is like looking at vacation photos of a ninja family. You can't see it but you know it's there.
Why else would Flaubert so meticulously describe and relish in Emma's fall from grace? Every little detail is mentioned with the same eagerness as a kid dobbing in their little brother. He puts together a file of evidence for her complicity, a smoking gun as you'd say, and leaves it up to us to point the finger.
-She immediately decides after her wedding night that she doesn't love Charles.
-She then sets about creating her own misery by obsessing and romanticizing this unhappiness until it consumes her.
-She goes from a productive and proficient housewife to a morose, unrelenting mess.
-She quickly begins despising Charles and blaming him for everything while he dotes on her and grows increasingly content.
-Her home quickly falls into a state of shabbiness.
-Her daughter goes neglected.
-Her first romance uses her unforgivably but is eventually driven away by her incessant neediness and demands.
-Her second romance, whilst more earnest in his affections, is also driven away by her incessant neediness, deteriorating mental health and demands.
-She drives her husband into bankruptcy.
-Commits suicide to escape it all.
-Her husband falls into despair, neglects their child and quickly dies.
-The child ends up working in a cotton factory.
What would a child do working in a cotton factory, you ask?
Oh, just a little mill-scavenging. Their job was to crawl under the huge, spinning WHEELS OF DEATH to pick up the spare bits of cotton. They were not allowed to sit, rest, or take a break while the mill ran - which was always except for Sunday when they cleaned the huge, spinning WHEELS OF DEATH that caused these children to live in a constant state of grief and terror
Well, doesn't that just cheer you up!
The entire story arc and every unnecessary tidbit condemns Emma like one more nail in the coffin. Society is condemned, men are condemned, romantic idealism is condemned. Really, this novel thinks everyone is to blame. What is this novel's answer to it? It seems to be saying, "Well, that silly woman had so much and she threw it all away and look at her now, kids. She's dead! And poor, which is really much worse."
The novel seems to step back and tsk at Emma, saying that she had so much. A safe and comfortable home, a good husband who doted on her and she just couldn't be happy with that.
Then it looks at society and says, "Well, you created this and now you've helped destroy her too, you assholes!"
It shakes its head at Charles and says, "You weren't strong enough to keep her in line and then you pined over this worthless woman to the ruinment of your only child."
But I wonder what this book would have been if Emma hadn't been a victim to everyone and every circumstance except for Charles. I wonder what this book would have been like if it displayed a far more realistic approach to a woman having an affair and her reasons. Because, let's face it, this book's depiction of a woman and why she has extra-marital relations is very obtuse. Emma's life and situation is hardly the common for women who seek more out of life. This book makes her quest for more seem silly, unneccessary and ungrateful.
Most of all, I wonder what this novel would have been like if it had dealt with Emma as a real character. One who didn't need to be mostly insane to justify having an affair. One who wasn't both stupid and entitled and didn't lose all her money through a lack of self-control and ability to take five seconds to do the math. One who was capable of growing and learning from life.
Unfortunately all that is lost. Even in the end, Emma learnt nothing. All sound and fury. Signifying nothing.
Much like this novel.
My final criticism about this book...
This was a book about people gettin' it on...
AND THERE WAS NO SEX!

Curse you, Flaubert! Curse you!
That's right. Defies judgment.
I don't know... he looks kind of judgy to me...
Unfortunately, I had to read a translation as my French is nowhere near good enough to read the original. Though I am assured that the prose in the original French are amazing and inspiring.
I can certainly appreciate the characterization and story-telling ability but I personally struggled with the story as I reconciled what Flaubert seemed to be saying about society, women, women who had affairs, men and romance.
Now, I would like to take a moment to quote Manny's Review, since he is the one who convinced me to read this book in the first place.
"Flaubert makes no obvious attempt to judge Emma..."
No, Flaubert doesn't break up his beautiful prose at any point with, "So whilst that is a very nice tree, I would like to intrude and mention that Emma is, like, a total ho! So, now back to the tree..."
I feel he doesn't do this because that would be superfluous. In fact, it seems to me that he doesn't stop judging through this entire book.

The judgement is like looking at vacation photos of a ninja family. You can't see it but you know it's there.
Why else would Flaubert so meticulously describe and relish in Emma's fall from grace? Every little detail is mentioned with the same eagerness as a kid dobbing in their little brother. He puts together a file of evidence for her complicity, a smoking gun as you'd say, and leaves it up to us to point the finger.
-She immediately decides after her wedding night that she doesn't love Charles.
-She then sets about creating her own misery by obsessing and romanticizing this unhappiness until it consumes her.
-She goes from a productive and proficient housewife to a morose, unrelenting mess.
-She quickly begins despising Charles and blaming him for everything while he dotes on her and grows increasingly content.
-Her home quickly falls into a state of shabbiness.
-Her daughter goes neglected.
-Her first romance uses her unforgivably but is eventually driven away by her incessant neediness and demands.
-Her second romance, whilst more earnest in his affections, is also driven away by her incessant neediness, deteriorating mental health and demands.
-She drives her husband into bankruptcy.
-Commits suicide to escape it all.
-Her husband falls into despair, neglects their child and quickly dies.
-The child ends up working in a cotton factory.
What would a child do working in a cotton factory, you ask?
Oh, just a little mill-scavenging. Their job was to crawl under the huge, spinning WHEELS OF DEATH to pick up the spare bits of cotton. They were not allowed to sit, rest, or take a break while the mill ran - which was always except for Sunday when they cleaned the huge, spinning WHEELS OF DEATH that caused these children to live in a constant state of grief and terror
Well, doesn't that just cheer you up!
The entire story arc and every unnecessary tidbit condemns Emma like one more nail in the coffin. Society is condemned, men are condemned, romantic idealism is condemned. Really, this novel thinks everyone is to blame. What is this novel's answer to it? It seems to be saying, "Well, that silly woman had so much and she threw it all away and look at her now, kids. She's dead! And poor, which is really much worse."
The novel seems to step back and tsk at Emma, saying that she had so much. A safe and comfortable home, a good husband who doted on her and she just couldn't be happy with that.
Then it looks at society and says, "Well, you created this and now you've helped destroy her too, you assholes!"
It shakes its head at Charles and says, "You weren't strong enough to keep her in line and then you pined over this worthless woman to the ruinment of your only child."
But I wonder what this book would have been if Emma hadn't been a victim to everyone and every circumstance except for Charles. I wonder what this book would have been like if it displayed a far more realistic approach to a woman having an affair and her reasons. Because, let's face it, this book's depiction of a woman and why she has extra-marital relations is very obtuse. Emma's life and situation is hardly the common for women who seek more out of life. This book makes her quest for more seem silly, unneccessary and ungrateful.
Most of all, I wonder what this novel would have been like if it had dealt with Emma as a real character. One who didn't need to be mostly insane to justify having an affair. One who wasn't both stupid and entitled and didn't lose all her money through a lack of self-control and ability to take five seconds to do the math. One who was capable of growing and learning from life.
Unfortunately all that is lost. Even in the end, Emma learnt nothing. All sound and fury. Signifying nothing.
Much like this novel.
My final criticism about this book...
This was a book about people gettin' it on...
AND THERE WAS NO SEX!

Curse you, Flaubert! Curse you!
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This novel is often used as an example in literary theory (especially by Roland Barthes) because it has all the elements a realistic novel should have. What I'm trying to say is, structuralism (Barthes in particular) wasn't very concerned with contents - only the form - and they saw the form of this novel as perfect. I honestly think they were the ones to put Madame Bovary on a pedestal. Not to mention the controversy it caused when it first came out.
I disagree with every word you wrote (possibly excluding an occasional "and" or "the"), but you did make me laugh at least twice.
No there was some getting-it-on ... remember the long carriage ride through the city? With her second romance? Um... I think ;) I remember reading this years ago and towards the end there was a racing horse carriage ride ~ I swear Emma & her dude had sex, or at least some heavy petting, during that scene. I think. Thank goodness I was born in a time when smut is freely written across any page!
I guess I should defend my claim that Flaubert doesn't judge Emma. I know he said he couldn't stand her. But I thought he made her such a believable person, and so well explained why she behaved the way she did, that I was left feeling that she couldn't have done anything else. Of course, the consequences were horribly tragic - I also felt very sorry for her daughter, and I liked that part of your review. I felt bad for Charles too, even if he was an idiot. But at what stage do you feel Emma could have acted differently?
Bovary is painful for me. My mama was unhappy no matter what and did many things to make it much, much worse. I kinda see it like just living with other people when you can't stand it inside your own body. Living with other people is hard when you don't know how. How can you not judge someone you live with like this?
Mariel wrote: "Bovary is painful for me. My mama was unhappy no matter what and did many things to make it much, much worse."I'm sorry about your mom, if Emma reminds you of her.
I kinda see it like just living with other people when you can't stand it inside your own body. Living with other people is hard when you don't know how. How can you not judge someone you live with like this?
Well, I like that as a summary. Emma does indeed find it hard, indeed impossible, to live with other people or herself. But I still don't see why it follows that we're being encouraged to judge her. What did she do wrong, apart from being born at the wrong moment, in the wrong place, and with the wrong temperament?
I actually think she did everything wrong. When you give birth to a child, you lose the right to make stupid choices. You absolutely lose the right to be selfish. And that's exactly what she was.
Maja, I'm absolutely not arguing against your point. On the other hand, you do wonder exactly how this child happened. At the end of the first book, she's in a state of clinical depression, and then in the last sentence Flaubert casually lets drop that she's pregnant. Your average author would have elaborated a little on that, but he just leaves it to your imagination. I thought it was a brilliant touch.
Ok, I'll give you that. As for Flaubert's writing, you simply have to put it in context. It was 19th century France after all. What little liberty he's taken in describing Emma's state of mind caused heavy controversy. Try reading Ibsen's play A doll house, if you already haven't. Ibsen brings the same problem to light - only he does it in a different way - a way that was, without a doubt, more useful to women in those days.
I hate reading reviews for books that I loved. Especially when I feel that the reviewer just didn't GET the book. Which is why I was hesitant to write this review. I'm so sorry, Manny! But at what stage do you feel Emma could have acted differently?
Excellent question. The issue, for me, is that I quite adored Emma too. So, in part, my annoyance with this book stems from the disservice I feel Flaubert did toward her.
To me, she very clearly has a mental illness. Yet I feel that the beginning of the, novel during Emma's early year of marriage, is Flaubert blaming her for her own unhappiness. That if she had just kept more busy, not read so many books, not obsessed over silly romantic ideals more - then she wouldn't have fallen into despair as she did.
Poor Emma! Really, no romantic suitor or great piles of money was every going to be enough! Her deteriorating mental state makes that clear and I felt that the novel unfairly portrayed her in this regard.
No, I won't even try to suggest what I would have done differently.
Perhaps my biggest issue with the book was the injustice I felt it did for women. I've been on a parenting forum for three years which I've spent providing assistance to struggling marriages - many of them DV. But we also get a lot of women coming through in various stages of affairs. Either those who are thinking about it, have begun it, have been caught and those who are living with the after effects.
So when I saw that this novel was one about affairs, I assumed it was a novel dealing with women and the ins and outs of this contentious issue. But it really wasn't, and thus I do feel my annoyance with this book is mostly due to my own unfulfilled expectations - not so much a failing on Flaubert's part.
Methinks the guns are supposed to smoke, not the bullets! ;-)
Ah! Damn Australia and their strict gun laws! Also, damn me for writing a review at 11:49pm!
In the UK? I air rifle, one air pistol and a number of shotguns. (This excludes those carried by military or police personel.)
Okay! This is in no way an excuse for the smoking gun/bullet debacle but the only gun I've ever seen is while looking down the double barrel of the shotgun my brother had aimed at my face!
I'm just playing with you! He was like 8 years old and we're MOSTLY sure he wasn't going to pull the trigger.
Kat wrote: "Excellent question. The issue, for me, is that I quite adored Emma too. So, in part, my annoyance with this book stems from the disservice I feel Flaubert did toward her. To me, she very clearly has a mental illness. Yet I feel that the beginning of the, novel during Emma's early year of marriage, is Flaubert blaming her for her own unhappiness. That if she had just kept more busy, not read so many books, not obsessed over silly romantic ideals more - then she wouldn't have fallen into despair as she did.
Poor Emma! Really, no romantic suitor or great piles of money was every going to be enough! Her deteriorating mental state makes that clear and I felt that the novel unfairly portrayed her in this regard."
Well... I think she became mentally ill, but just saying she had a mental illness seems to me to simplify it far too much. When we first meet her, she looks fine to me. I would say she's driven mad by the realisation that life will never contain anything that will truly interest her, just because of her birth and marriage. The romantic novels, affairs etc are symptom, not a cause.
Perhaps my biggest issue with the book was the injustice I felt it did for women.
But what injustice? To me, it seems that Flaubert was just describing the society he saw. Again, I don't think he's being unfair to Emma or blaming her. If there's injustice, it's in the fact that she's never given a chance to try any kind of independent life, but that was normal in the mid 19th century.
Maja (Glavauoblacima) wrote: "Try reading Ibsen's play A doll house, if you already haven't. Ibsen brings the same problem to light - only he does it in a different way - a way that was, without a doubt, more useful to women in those days."Oh yes, I like A Doll's House too. But I would say Nora and Emma are simply different kinds of people. They're both credible, and you see plenty of each of them. I don't think you can say one book is better than the other because of what happens.
Well... I think she became mentally ill, but just saying she had a mental illness seems to me to simplify it far too much. When we first meet her, she looks fine to me. I would say she's driven mad by the realisation that life will never contain anything that will truly interest her, just because of her birth and marriage. The romantic novels, affairs etc are symptom, not a cause.I absolutely agree that the romantic novels, affairs etc are symptoms, not cause and I would never suggest otherwise.
I will have to disagree about her becoming mentally ill. I think that from the subtext of Flaubert's story, you can discern earlier periods of unbalance. Just because she seemed normal when courting and marrying Charles, doesn't preclude prior issues.
Take, for example, her religiously zealous phase which she then abandons to such outrageous behaviour that the nuns are glad to be rid of her. We see indications in this that she has a history of issues that were simply not apparent while Charles was courting her.
But what injustice? To me, it seems that Flaubert was just describing the society he saw. Again, I don't think he's being unfair to Emma or blaming her. If there's injustice, it's in the fact that she's never given a chance to try any kind of independent life, but that was normal in the mid 19th century.
I’m sorry, Manny, I haven’t explained myself very well, have I!
Okay, my frustration was that there were so few novels with the female protagonist having an affair and having any kind of fair representation in these mediums. Sure we have Lady Chatterly’s Lover which has many similarities in story arcs.
However, when looking at the novel, it’s not so much that unequal, unsatisfying marriage is brought up. Or the pressures of raising children in a stagnant home by yourself – since Emma doesn’t do or struggle with this. Her daughter is raised by the household staff. Nor is it really a struggle with not having control over finances and being at the mercy of a patriarchal society since Emma DOES get control of finances and still can’t manage.
So I feel like the actual issues facing women of these times (and to a degree, these times as well) were cheated out of this story. The only issue I would agree was properly raised was that the life of a housewife is agonizingly unfulfilling in the intellectual department and that her options were so limited. Yet this is partially robbed from us as well as her foray into assisting her husband with his doctoring is a massive failure that she then blames completely on Charles!
In the end, I very much respect your thoughts on this book. I just come at it from a different angle that, unfortunately, robbed me of my enjoyment of what is otherwise such a finely crafted piece of literature.
I so enjoyed this review. I needed that laugh, and I so much do not need the emotional torture I would go through if I read the book.
In the end, I very much respect your thoughts on this book. I just come at it from a different angle that, unfortunately, robbed me of my enjoyment of what is otherwise such a finely crafted piece of literature.Well, I respect your opinions too! I'm just puzzled as to why we had such different takes on it.
It does occur to me to wonder whether it isn't at least in part because you read it in translation. In fact, Madame Bovary is the direct reason why I decided to improve my French enough to the point where I could read French literature in the original. I remember that I read maybe a third of the book and felt disappointed... this was no way as good as I'd been led to expect.
So I decided I would jump in and read it in French. At the time, my French was really bad, and there was a whole lot I couldn't understand, but I still liked it a lot more. There's something kind of magical about the way he uses language, and it redeems many things about the story that otherwise might come across the way you said.
You've convinced me to brush up on my French so that I can read the original! I did see glimpses of some truly magnificent prose through the translation but even at the time I thought it would be a book that was much improved when reading it as intended.Glad I could provide, Lemongrass! Just so you know - satisfaction is always guaranteed with MY reviews.
Kat wrote: "You've convinced me to brush up on my French so that I can read the original!"Hey! That's great!
If you'd like to warm up on something easier, I can send you a free starter pack - for example, a couple of Ainsi Va La Vie and a Brigade Mondaine. Then you can join the select group that reviews these two wonderful series!
You folks are making me want to read this so that I cn make up my own mind. Unfortunately there is no hope of me being able to read it in French...plus my copy is in a warehouse...and there's 1000p of War and Peace to go...
That would be wonderful, Manny! It'll take me a couple of months because I haven't spoken French in years but I'll get there!Robert, War and Peace is coming up on my TBR pile, though I can't say I'm really looking forward to it. I'll watch out for your review.
OK, give me an address and I'll send them soon... will do a little Brigade Mondaine shopping this weekend at the flee market's used book stall :) And you can have
Lili a un chagrin d'amour
which I read yesterday, it's so cute!
War and Peace has been nothing but fun so far - 350p or so! Easy to read. I encourage you to try it.
Okay, I'm a modern lady - by my standards there was no sex. Mentioning sex or making snide allusions to it doesn't count in my books.





