Mike (the Paladin)'s Reviews > Towers of Midnight

Towers of Midnight by Robert Jordan

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Aug 19, 11

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****** Prelude to the actual review and doesn't need to be read before the body of the review ********* :

I'm about a third of the way through this book and I've got to say that while there are some wonderful moments, Sanderson is carrying on Jordan's tradition of beating a subject or plot point not only to death but till it falls apart and starts to stink!

I am heartily sick to death of Perrin's self flagellation and flat refusal to accept ANY reality...after 10,000 pages don't you think we can please, please stop going over and over and over the same ground! Just give the character a cat o' nine tails and let him actually beat his back bloody and get it over with. When I got into the first section of this repeated crap I considered heaving the book across the room, but as it weighs a ton and might knock out a wall I desisted. I finally got through that scene and here I am only a bit later and Perrin is whining about "not being a Lord", "not being a leader", "not wanting the Wolf Banner up"...we've been over this a thousand times!

Okay...rant over, for a while, but I really, really, hope this thing pulls itself together and STOPS GOING OVER WHAT'S BEEN COVERED AD NAUSEUM!



**** REVIEW ****

Well, here we go. This is the 13th book in the Wheel of Time, that's book THIRTEEN...not counting New Spring of course as it's book "0" a prequel. If you've read my reviews of the previous volumes you know that I've become quite dissatisfied with this situation. BUT more about that later. If (as I've said) you have read my previous reviews you will recognize that my rating here is actually a step up (from the last few volumes). While still unable to say I truly "like" the book it is a step forward. And about time as unless the ax falls and more volumes are announced (an eventuality that wouldn't actually surprise me) this is the next to the last volume.

First...the good. Mr Sanderson is an excellent writer and it occasionally shows. There are some wonderful moments in this book. I found some passages very moving and what was exceptionally good was that at least a few are moving in more than one way. First they are genuinely emotional scenes and second they move the story along. The advancement of this story has been exceptionally slow up to now. So there were some moments of actual enjoyment for me here.

Second...the neutral. As mentioned Mr. Sanderson is a good writer and he manages to capture the story, the characters, and the types that Mr. Jordan has established. These things will hit different people different ways, some will find a lot of positive others a lot of negative. The idiotic battle of the sexes is still here as are the attitudes of each of the characters and groups. The fatalistic are still fatalistic the annoying are still annoying and so on. You will easily recognize what you may have come to like and dislike in the series. All the customs etc. are still with us...Rand accepts his "'toh" at one point and so on.

Third...the bad. The frustratingly bad things are still here to. The long repetitive passages are still here. The re-re-retelling of the same details from every possible point of view still takes place (an event that happened and was discussed ad nausem 500 hundred pages ago is related to a new group (the Aes Sedai, the Aeil, somebody) and it gets discussed again...maybe another 50 pages, who knows. There are also long pointless conversations, by that I refer to the ones that don't have any effect on the story nor tell us anything new. I know it can be argued that they "reinforce characters and character types" but it's been 10,000 pages, don't you think the character types might have been established by now?

There are those who love these books just the way they are and for you I'm happy. I know a couple of people who agree with you. They would be happy to read what the characters had for each meal, what their clothes were made of, and how they slept each night. To you anything that stretches out the experience is great. But, it doesn't improve the "novel", the overall story. It (in my opinion) has turned this series (from about volume 7 A Crown of Swords on) into a soap-opera. This volume is 864 pages, 328,000 words, in audio about 30 hours of listening. I truly believe that in the hands of a good editor the entire series (including the one to come) could be cut down to from 7 to 10 volumes total, and probably closer to 7.

I loved the first 5 books in this series and feel almost the same about the 6th. I believe that it was on the way to becoming one of the greatest High Fantasy Epics in print, but that fell by the wayside long ago. What happened? Why did the story suddenly become a lumbering crippled behemoth of a soap-opera stumbling forward at a glacial pace? Did someone suddenly realize that each book was a best seller and the more volumes that were in the series the more money would be made? Did the editors suddenly stop editing because the books were so popular that they were no longer allowed to edit the writer? Did the story simply start to wander as all possible details began to work their way in about each character and group's thoughts and actions?

I suppose we'll never know. Some of you will totally disagree with me and "feel" this is wonderful and love every second, every word of it. Others like me will be frustrated and disappointed about what could have been. I'm not kidding when I say I'm happy for you who love the way this series is going. To the rest of us...well it is what it is. The blurb on this book says, "the Last Battle has started", well, not so you'll notice. I do plan to get the last volume from the library when it's published, I want to see how it "comes out". But, I think I'll always mourn what this series might have been.

Might have been, could have been, the old refrain.

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Dawn His plot line annoyed me too, and there was so much of it! But it definitely does get better... Eventually.


Mike (the Paladin) I know, and I should wait till I've finished the book. I loved the first 6 volumes of these, so my disappointment comes out. I'll try to refrain from saying more till I've completed the book.


Jeffrey Well Mike, we see eye to eye on a lot of issues in the earlier books. Then of course there are all the rebirthing of the villians. Rand kills bad guys and then -- they are reborn into new bodies with different powers. Then there is the True Power vs the Saidin. So the over layering of magic system on magic system.


Finally, I only read a little of this book in the library but I did buy it and have to say I skimmed a lot of the early Perrin. I always felt the Perrin story was a lot of similar plot points. Its almost like Sanderson/Jordan had nowhere to go with him. Several books back they had Faile kidnapped then Perrin found her, then she is again kidnapped by the Aiel and Perrin rescues her. Now we are back to the inevitable Perrin conflict -- is he wolf or blacksmith or killer. But we can complain a lot about this story in many ways, but two things stand out -- we are still here reading this upteenth volume when many of my friends dropped out long ago, and we really want to know how the story ends.

As for why things happened as they did -- the books were making a ton of money for everyone involved so if Jordan wanted to digress and digress, and the plot was not advanced all that much -- the thought was it did not matter as the money was just going to pour in. If Jordan had not passed away, so sadly, I am not even sure we would be close to ending this series.


Mike (the Paladin) I know. As for still reading the series, yes I am, but I stopped buying them. I was one of those who waited and snapped the books up as soon as they appeared up through the tenth volume... I kept hoping. After that one I sold/traded all of them to a used book store here and have read the others from the library.

On a smaller scale I've found myself "trapped" in series before. Back in the late 70s early 80s I started reading the Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever series. I came to the point I didn't even like them...but I finished the first trilogy to see how it "came out". These do have flashes of enjoyment in them. Both Jordan and Sanderson put down some beautiful prose, I just wish the books had been written with a lot less "fat" in them.

I won't rehash what I've said before, just that they could have been great.


Jeffrey Oh I read Thomas Covenant as well. Both the first trilogy and the second. And its hard to understand because I really detested Covenant in the first book after the rape, but I got the second book out of the library and read it and again didn't love it (but who really likes second books in trilogies) then I picked up the third and really enjoyed it so much thatI snapped up and read 4-6 and liked them a lot. However when the next trilogy started I could not get so interested.

I bought all of the WOT books except the last one and the "prequel". This last one I got for 14.40 after B & N has it reduced 40 percent and then had 25% coupon, so was not terrible price wise


Mike (the Paladin) I never read the second Thomas Covenant trilogy. It started out with the moaning and bemoaning and I did a quick get away before i felt trapped again.

Like you i just didn't like Covenant and the rape tore it, but I still finished the trilogy...but all I actually felt was relief that the trilogy was over. :)


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Sath Mike you pretty much summed up everything about the WoT series. I nodded at everything you said. The annoying thing is, in the earlier books I absolutely loved the word building, and the details. The depth of the history he had created was amazing. But now the details are tiresome, theres no revelation in any of it. We might asweel be hearing about a boil on Rand al'Thor's bottom, being told to the ashaman, the aes sedai, and every other faction for 400 pages :S
I still love these books because I remember the excitement when I was 14 and every paragraph was exciting.. but I will be glad to finally read the last book. I hope Jordan didn't have something really cheesy and lame planned for his ending!


Mike (the Paladin) I really did sum up my feelings in "might have been" "could have been". I've read the comments from those who love every extraneous word and I suppose that's fine. I am happy they get what they enjoy. But I really do think that had the writing of the first 4 or 5 books continued this would be one of the great "novels" in the English language. I still wonder if a good editor (it would have to be a REALLY good editor), might not turn these into a whole new story. Of course that would require the owner of the rights to it to want that...


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