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The Wise Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss

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Mar 29, 11

bookshelves: fantasy, utter-shite
Read from February 16 to March 19, 2011

I'm going to have to be the sole voice of dissent.

I found Kvothe profoundly annoying.
Here's an excerpt of his typical storytelling, word for word:

"I managed very little sleep that night, and Losi came closer to killing me than Felurian ever had."

(Post-coital thoughts on the second girl in 20 pages. He's 16.)

"She was a delightful partner, every bit as wonderful as Felurian had been. But how could that be? I hear you ask. How could any mortal woman compare with Felurian?"

Felurian is a ghost/fairy from the "Fey" where we wasted a hundred pages of Kvothe having sex with her over and over to no discernible end. He escapes finally by singing with his beautiful singing voice that he brags about constantly.
"It is easier to understand if you think of it in terms of music. Sometimes a man enjoys a symphony." [Talking about sex.] "Elsetimes he finds a jig more suited to his taste. The same holds true of lovemaking."


Haha, right, so by now it's getting hilarious, because this little twirp who, at age 16, manages to find two women willing to sleep with him (one of whom is imaginary), decides that he's become The God of Sex, and must now spend the rest of the book acting like an effeminate man-whore.

Kvothe speaking again:
"One type [of sex] is suited to the deep cushions of a twilight forest glade. Another comes quite naturally tangled in the sheets of narrow beds upstairs in inns."

"in inns" is typical of the writing; "at inns" might sound better, eh

Kvothe's insights on women:

"Each woman is like an instrument, waiting to be learned, and finely played [fucked], to have at least her own true music made."

That's right guys, women are like instruments, and they exist for your use and pleasure.

Realizing that what he just said is sophomoric, sexist, and a little insane, Kvothe clarifies:
"Some might take offense at this way of seeing things. They might think I degrade women."

Well, in defense of anyone thinking that, you do degrade women. Before the book ends, your skinny little ass has sex with half the village by the university. I don't feel like transcribing any more of it.

Kvothe prances around with the approximate wisdom and subtlety of a slightly below average modern-day teenager. A musician with a delicate disposition more at home at a pedicurist than a fantasy novel, he's best described as a weakling, a coward, and a fool.

At one point he actually loses a fight to a 10 year old girl.

Someone responded to this earlier by saying: "But she was a really badass little girl." Haha. Ok.



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Criticisms:


"His primary personalty traits are wit, charm and intelligence."

Mark Twain is witty. Locke Lamora is charming. Kvothe is a self-absorbed brat with the emotional depth of a teaspoon. The narrator insists on his intelligence and success at the university, but every time Kvothe speaks, it's an eyeroll-fest.


"Kvothe is the furthest thing from a coward."

A girl he's been pining over since almost the beginning of the last book admits that she is being beaten bloody on a daily basis. What does Kvothe do? He says some dumb things and abandons her to go on a pointless expedition into the woods; stumbles over the Fey, where he loses his virginity; screws 5 more women that we're told about - this in the space of a couple of months; and finally returns to the university by the end of the book, only to reveal that he is not in love with the original girl anymore.

Stay classy, Kvothe, buddy.


Here's what he has to say about love:

Kvothe: "Love is a subtle concept. But it can be defined."
Vashet: "Do so then. Tell me of love."
Kvothe: "Love is the willingness to do anything for someone."
Vashet: "Then how is love different from duty or loyalty?"
Kvothe: "It is also combined with physical attraction."
[Well, you're an expert on that, you little man-whore, you.]
Vashet: "Even a mother's love?"
Kvothe: "Combined with extreme fondness then."
Vashet: "And what exactly do you mean by fondness?"
Kvothe: "It is..." [He] trailed off, racking [his] brain...

At least that shouldn't take long.

Listen, Kvothe, love is the condition wherein the happiness of another person is essential to your own. It's not rocket science. And it does not require physical attraction. It also comes in different varieties.

"Combined with extreme fondness"? Wtf are you, 16? Oh yeah, that's right, you are. Seriously, half the time Kvothe opens his mouth, I want to punch him in the face. 1000 pages of him speaking... come on.



And look, I completely understand that the author had a purpose in making a typical teenager his main character. I get it. I just don't find him compelling in any way whatsoever.


And I pre-ordered this. Donating to the library.

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message 1: by Ala (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ala Man, I just love your reviews. Spot on and hilarious.

I really enjoyed the book, but I can easily see how you didn't.


message 2: by Simeon (last edited Mar 31, 2011 03:02am) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon Haha. Thanks. It's just not my style. I like old school, badass main characters. They don't make them like that anymore.


message 3: by April (new)

April Thank you! I have not read this book, but I tried to make it through the first and the problems you cited are exactly the reason why I could not get through the first!


message 4: by Simeon (last edited Mar 28, 2011 08:18pm) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon April wrote: "Thank you! I have not read this book, but I tried to make it through the first and the problems you cited are exactly the reason why I could not get through the first!"

Hey, you're welcome! Cheers.


Alicia I adored this book! . . . But you make some valid (and funny) points. Thanks for the review.


message 6: by Simeon (last edited Mar 31, 2011 02:02am) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon Alicia wrote: "I adored this book! . . . But you make some valid (and funny) points. Thanks for the review."

For sure, there's a lot to love about Rothfuss' storytelling. I actually liked older Kvothe. But all the female characters were weak. And younger Kvothe evoked some strong emotions in me.


message 7: by Daniel (new)

Daniel Wow, based on what you've written, I would assume that a wise man's fear is some virulent strain of VD...


Simeon Given the context, the characters actually discuss VD on multiple occasions.


message 9: by Daniel (new)

Daniel The subject comes up with some frequency in Hugh Cook's "Chronicles of an Age of Darkness" series, too--usually in a ribald context. The hero of the fourth volume, "The Walrus and the Warwolf," is a serious hornball.


Tyson I always love a good snarky review, even when I don't agree with it. But really, this book is one star and you gave Michael Crichton's The Lost World 5?


message 11: by Simeon (last edited Mar 29, 2011 08:01pm) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon I hope you didn't just badmouth Crichton.


message 12: by [deleted user] (new)

Crichton > Rothfuss


Tyson Crichton was a man with good ideas who decided he was going to write. I'll just leave it at that.


Brian A girl he's been pining over since almost the beginning of the last book tells him that she is being beaten bloody on a daily basis. What does Kvothe do? He says some dumb things and abandons her to go on a pointless expedition into the woods; stumbles over the Fey, where he loses his virginity; screws 5 more women that we're told about - this in the space of a couple of months; and finally returns to the university by the end of the book, only to reveal that he is not in love with the original girl anymore.
-Whole paragraph completely incorrect: 1. She doesn't tell him she's been beaten, the Cthaen does. The closest they come to talking about it is after Faeulurian. Kvothe doesn't know she was beaten before he runs off with Faelurian, she tells him she fell from a horse. 2. He never reveals he is not in love with original girl anymore. 3. If someone made a song portraying someone responsible for your parents deaths as a hero -you might say some stupid stuff too. I think your point about him being degrading to women has merit. I also think the idea of loosing your virginity to a mythical goddess at 16 probably quite similar to the fantasy nearly all 16 year old boys have, or would have if there wasn't so much easily accessible porn these days, hence why it belongs in a fantasy novel - about a 16 year old.


message 15: by Simeon (last edited Mar 31, 2011 02:59am) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon Brian wrote: Kvothe doesn't know she was beaten before he runs off with Faelurian.

Nah, he already did.

He actually knew what that particular patron was like since the last book, but realized that he was back and beating Denna again in Wise Man's Fear, Chapter 64, Flight
“I don’t know why you’re carrying such a grudge against him.”
I couldn’t believe she could say that. “Denna, he beat you senseless.”
She went very still. “No.” Her hand went to the fading bruise on her cheek.

Much later, Chapter 106
After my encounter with the Cthaeh, it was a long time before I was my right self again. I slept a great deal, but only fitfully as I was endlessly set upon by terrible dreams.

What the Cthaeh does is torment him. Kvothe already knew quite well that Denna was being mistreated, and he does a sum-total of absolutely nothing about it. He gets into an argument with her and ends up running into the fey, Chapter 98 - The Lay of Felurian. [Classy chapter title]


message 16: by Simeon (last edited Nov 01, 2011 09:50am) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon Tyson wrote: "Crichton was a man with good ideas who decided he was going to write. I'll just leave it at that."

It's true, Crichton never wrote literature. But for years, he was the king of thrillers. Otherwise host to a seething mass of garbage, the humongous mystery and thrillers genre had one good thing about it: Michael Crichton. And then he died. (Fuck you, cancer!)

We're talking about the guy who dreamed up Eaters of the Dead, Timeline, Jurassic Park, The Lost World, etc. Those novels were fantastic science-at-the-brink-of-chaos fiction. Nonlinear dynamics had barely been invented, and there it was, gracing each chapter with a foreboding message of disintegration. Nobody else living or dead wrote that way. Again, not literature, not amazing prose, but a true edge-of-your-seat thriller.

The only reason you'd be on the edge of your seat while reading Wise Man's Fear is if you zoned out for 5 chapters and realized that you've missed nothing of the world's slowest plotline, and, adding insult to injury, your left ass-cheek has fallen asleep.

Rothfuss is a great guy, with a terrific head of beard, who likes Firefly, and I approve of him. He has the potential to be a good writer. But at the moment, I can open Wise Man's Fear to any page, and actually edit that shit into improvement. Half a million words for one undeveloped character and a helter-skelter supporting cast of nobodies just doesn't cut it.

Not to mention, at times the book seems to have been written to a soundtrack of: "Tap That Booty." Kvothe can't help himself. Every booty must be tapped.


Brian Lawyerd- I was, Kvothe does know he beat her senseless on one occasion-at least, I will concede you your point of view, and hold on to mine. I may even have to like your review, every booty must be tapped, classic.


Simeon Haha, well, thanks. Much appreciated.


Sandi I have not yet written my review, but I will be giving the book 2 stars. It had many many flaws! The flaws you chose to focus on were those of characterization. A good choice, since it is the character we either want to identify with or at least enjoy. I like a book where the character seeps into your consciousness and you think about the character quite a lot. I do not think about Kvothe at all. It's like once I finished the book he was out of sight and out of mind.

I don't think that is a good sign.

To Kvothe's defense I will add that he was only 16-17 at the time of his exploits, so he should be arrogant and naive. I'm ok with that.

Maybe I have a hard time knowing that the story of teen Kvothe is being told by Kvothe when he is only a decade older! How much has he learned in that short span of time?


message 20: by Kat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kat You're definitely not the lone voice; all your comments on Kvothe are *spot on*.


message 21: by Sean (new) - rated it 2 stars

Sean Congrats, you've just written something far more entertaining than the book and you did it in one page rather than a thousand...and it was for free!


Zinny Yeahiknow, the hype is too big and everyone is too caught p with it, this is just a grown up version of Harry Pot, and the plot is just plain and boring.


Catherine Jamieson Thanks for taking the time to say what I thought. Good review.


message 24: by Jake (new) - rated it 1 star

Jake Agreed, this review is better than the book.


message 25: by Joel (new)

Joel Sandi wrote: "To Kvothe's defense I will add that he was only 16-17 at the time of his exploits, so he should be arrogant and naive. I'm ok with that."

what bugs me about this conceit is that kvothe is NOT 16 while narrating his story. yet his older self seems none the wiser about not making women seem like one-dimensional shells.


message 26: by Robert (last edited Apr 18, 2011 12:22am) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Robert I find it strange that you gave the book one star, okay, so you didn't like it, but one star would make it one of the worst books ever and that seems a bit unfair.


message 27: by Stewart (new) - added it

Stewart Celani I find I agree somewhat with certain things you've said. Loved the pictures -- thanks for the laugh. =P


message 28: by Josh (new)

Josh Paulik I think it's important to remember that all the bragging and up-talking of sexual exploits and whatnot is not coming from 16-year old Kvothe. It's coming from older Kvothe recounting his life. So of course he has an older voice than you would expect from a 16 year old. Maybe he embellishes his whole God of Sex thing. It certainly seems that way looking at his present-day self telling the story.


Noelle Campbell I completely agree. Rothfuss took a great story and turned it into a 16 year olds wet dream! I am angry I paid full price and actually looked forward to this book. Look at all the things this kid has done in the space of two years... it's impossible. LIterally impossible, but I was willing to buy it until Rothfuss spent 50 chapters on completely pointless quests.


message 30: by Miriam (new)

Miriam Have you tried Brust's Jhereg series? You mention a couple of books that make me think you might like it, plus each installment is pretty short, no hundred-page tangents in sight.


message 31: by Joel (new)

Joel i picked up the first four cheap. they sound really fun. i am intrigued by the dumas-inspired side stories as well.


message 32: by Miriam (new)

Miriam Ha, I was recommending them to the reviewer! For some reason I thought you'd read them already. I was amused by the first Dumas send-up but then they got tedious. They're too wordy. Brust is better when when he's terse.


message 33: by Joel (new)

Joel i figured you were talking to him. i just like to butt in.


Kevin Xu glad to see someone else that hates the book as much as I do


message 35: by Azraelol (last edited Apr 29, 2011 01:30pm) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Azraelol The story is supposed to be dramatic and heroic. I can excuse all you pointed out. I noticed it myself, most of the time. It just didn't bother me, because I knew what kind of style I was reading.

And a few parts you cited of bad writing, I found to make sense. Rothfuss tries to convey that Kvothe is not as infallible as he thinks he is. He's trying to show weakness and lack of knowledge/strength. Like the part where he can't define love, or the many parts he gets his ass handed to him in a conflict. And you'll also note that present-tense Kvothe acts very different from the one we know who is 16ish. I wouldn't go far enough to say that it's a realistic difference, but there is definitely difference.

The action is good, so I'm expecting a great ending. Though I don't see how he can pull it off in another thousand pages. This may not be the story we expect. I think this trilogy will the the lame-duck fall of Kvothe, with a second trilogy showing him finishing what he started, and fixing all problems he caused in the present-tense.


message 36: by Sunny (new)

Sunny This is such an appalling book. I don't know if its just me, but the book seems to be written for a middle school audience.


Carmello I'm glad you said all this. I really enjoyed the first book, but I 200 pages into Wise Man's Fear I had a feeling the story was eventually going to turn into Kvothe talking about all the sex he's had. Just not really appealing to me. I just want story, not some man's sex journal.


message 38: by Nick (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nick props on being a redditor, but i have to completely disagree with you


message 39: by Liz (new) - rated it 4 stars

Liz Regenold It's a great series. Can't wait for the next installment. By the apparent amount of time you spent on your scathing review, I'd like to suggest that you find a faery and get yourself laid. Anger ball.


message 40: by Simeon (last edited Sep 21, 2011 05:26pm) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon It took a quarter of an hour to write this review. So, roughly the same amount of time anyone spent editing Wise Man's Fear.


Victoria I loved your review. It was interesting and hilarious. But I loved the book too and I do think that giving it 1 star is unfair.


Jennifer Thank you, spot on.


message 43: by Thea (new) - rated it 1 star

Thea Dang. Kvothe had sex? Looks like I stopped too early. But I wasted my time reading 500 pages of that book.


scott  huynh great review!
Like many others, I loved the first book, but the sequel was a horrible disappointment.


Roobosh loved the book and loved your review


Mothwing Great review! Your observations on the female characters were all spot-on.


message 47: by Eden (last edited Aug 18, 2011 05:47am) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Eden Prosper I'm kind of glad for bad books, so that there are hilariously good reviews like this.


Andrea To be honest, the girl Kvothe mooned over was just as irritating, and this book had very few redeeming qualities to it and what there was was nearly all in the framing story. The first was decent, but this fell on its face repeatedly :(

Hilarious review though! :D


message 49: by Eden (new) - rated it 2 stars

Eden Prosper Axiopolis wrote: "To be honest, the girl Kvothe mooned over was just as irritating..."

Mooned over is putting it lightly. I thought he was going to be wearing her skin by the end of the first book, haha.


message 50: by Simeon (last edited Mar 13, 2012 12:24pm) (new) - rated it 1 star

Simeon Lmao, that was great.


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