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The Fellowship of the Ring (The Lord of the Rings, #1)
by J.R.R. Tolkien
by J.R.R. Tolkien
Read the review by Doc Opp; I think he covers it quite nicely. He explains how Tolkien was the forefather of fantasy writing, and why that makes his books important. He also shares his opinion that the historical importance sort of causes people to overlook that Tolkien couldn't write worth beans.
Opp posits that perhaps it has something to do with the concept of heroism being different in Tolkien's days than it is now. I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean I agree that his characters are a study in perserverance without being able to really fight or do anything but perservere, I just don't know that I buy that it's a sign of the times. I think Tolkien was just boring.
I don't disagree, also, that the Shannara series is essentially the same storyline with a better writer at the helm.
My venom towards Tolkien is greater than Opp's perhaps because we read for different reasons. I have very little patience with writers who have great ideas or imaginations when it comes to the physical world, but can't get inside the head of a person to save their lives and thus can't tell a story. This sort of writer is often found in sci-fi/fantasy, because the genre is geared to reward the most innovative and plausible inventing of a future or past timescape.
If guys like Opp were always doing the commentating I might not hate Tolkien with such a passion, but unfortunately the world is filled with people who don't read sci-fi but who recalled their lit teacher spoke Tolkien's name once and probably said something about how he was the father of modern fantasy, and those people went on to shout Tolkien's name from the rooftops to the extent that a movie even got made out of it. Now the movie I could actually stomach (a little) because Hollywood realized they couldn't completely bore the pants off of people and still make money. But I digress.
I cannot conceive of any reason one would read these novels unless they were forced e.g. for a class. And even then, it'd better be a history class and not a writing class, unless the objective was to teach how not to write. There's no pace, no character development, the focus shifts between groups of characters ala Robert Jordan without any of Jordan's redeeming qualities (although Jordan certainly has faults as well).
The most compelling reason to read these novels is so that you can rip someone a new one when they bring up Tolkien by making a point by point case where you describe all the things he does wrong.
Let me put it this way, I have read some of the most God-awful books in my time. I mean when I was younger I would read a phone book if it was handy. But I could not finish the Fellowship of the Rings.
Comparing Tolkien to Asimov is just...I mean that's like comparing me to Asimov. I have an imagination and so does Asimov, comparison ended. Asimov came up with a plausible future that was interesting, and then he wrote characters within that adventure that were compelling. Caves of Steel is brilliant because whatshisface the detective is sort of an everyman and Asimov deals with things such as embarrassment because your Dad's job doesn't rate you high enough to eat at the right hydroponics diner. I'm mangling things, but you get the point. Asimov may have been the best ever at having really cool ideas and not wasting them by forgetting to write about people.
I hate Tolkien, I blame him for his vacuous and enraging fan base, I blame him for every author that followed him that spent 5 hours describing a blade of grass, I hate him for taking a genre that I like and making me want to vomit on it, even if he was the first. It makes me want to burn my entire fantasy bookshelf down to the ground.
That's my review.
Opp posits that perhaps it has something to do with the concept of heroism being different in Tolkien's days than it is now. I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean I agree that his characters are a study in perserverance without being able to really fight or do anything but perservere, I just don't know that I buy that it's a sign of the times. I think Tolkien was just boring.
I don't disagree, also, that the Shannara series is essentially the same storyline with a better writer at the helm.
My venom towards Tolkien is greater than Opp's perhaps because we read for different reasons. I have very little patience with writers who have great ideas or imaginations when it comes to the physical world, but can't get inside the head of a person to save their lives and thus can't tell a story. This sort of writer is often found in sci-fi/fantasy, because the genre is geared to reward the most innovative and plausible inventing of a future or past timescape.
If guys like Opp were always doing the commentating I might not hate Tolkien with such a passion, but unfortunately the world is filled with people who don't read sci-fi but who recalled their lit teacher spoke Tolkien's name once and probably said something about how he was the father of modern fantasy, and those people went on to shout Tolkien's name from the rooftops to the extent that a movie even got made out of it. Now the movie I could actually stomach (a little) because Hollywood realized they couldn't completely bore the pants off of people and still make money. But I digress.
I cannot conceive of any reason one would read these novels unless they were forced e.g. for a class. And even then, it'd better be a history class and not a writing class, unless the objective was to teach how not to write. There's no pace, no character development, the focus shifts between groups of characters ala Robert Jordan without any of Jordan's redeeming qualities (although Jordan certainly has faults as well).
The most compelling reason to read these novels is so that you can rip someone a new one when they bring up Tolkien by making a point by point case where you describe all the things he does wrong.
Let me put it this way, I have read some of the most God-awful books in my time. I mean when I was younger I would read a phone book if it was handy. But I could not finish the Fellowship of the Rings.
Comparing Tolkien to Asimov is just...I mean that's like comparing me to Asimov. I have an imagination and so does Asimov, comparison ended. Asimov came up with a plausible future that was interesting, and then he wrote characters within that adventure that were compelling. Caves of Steel is brilliant because whatshisface the detective is sort of an everyman and Asimov deals with things such as embarrassment because your Dad's job doesn't rate you high enough to eat at the right hydroponics diner. I'm mangling things, but you get the point. Asimov may have been the best ever at having really cool ideas and not wasting them by forgetting to write about people.
I hate Tolkien, I blame him for his vacuous and enraging fan base, I blame him for every author that followed him that spent 5 hours describing a blade of grass, I hate him for taking a genre that I like and making me want to vomit on it, even if he was the first. It makes me want to burn my entire fantasy bookshelf down to the ground.
That's my review.
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I disagree quite strongly. I like Tolkien very much. I like Tolkien because his books are actually good, not because my English teacher said that he was the father of modern fantasy. He did put emotion into his books, and I also find it fascinating how he was so descriptive. I am quite horrible at putting little details in my own books, which is saying a lot since I read so many books just to see what their style is; and if I want to incorporate it into mine.
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The first time I tried to read TFotR, I didn't care for it, and did not finish it. Later, I decided to give it another try, and I am glad I did - I loved it then. I'm not certain what made the difference. I think I was expecting something different the first time, reading it right after The Hobbit; the styles/tones of the prequel and the trilogy are very different. The LoTR books are among my favorites now.
All I have is one thing to comment on. I have to say that it's probably one of the best transferences of fantasy books changed into movies. Not only were they actors actually good the story was actually better than to movie. It was the first time I was glad I watched the movie instead of the book.
Are you just angry that the female characters are so one dimensional? So what? Just accept that Tolkien couldn't write women. I don't think they (women) really entered his radar when it came to writing fiction. Please don't tell me that Asimov wrote women well. I am thinking of Susan Calvin, in particular. Was she even a woman? She was so manly...The whole story of the Lord of the Rings is told from the perspective of the Hobbits, and they are certainly not boring. Their culture is richly brought to life, especially in the first chapter, and right through the various adventures they are involved in. And Tolkien definitely got inside the head of Sam, who was really the main character or narrator of the whole story.
If you want meaty details of the activities of Gandalf and Aragorn, you aren't going to get it from Sam. But Sam was a gardner, so you are going to get more details than you need about the local grasses and trees. How is that not authentic?
What about the kinds of literature that Tolkien was emulating? Have you read any of that style? Tolkien's work is totally consistent with the sagas of old and middle english, irish, norse, and germanic oral traditions.
I hope you and Doc Opp get a chance to delve into this kind of literature. It will be good for you to expand your horizons. Not all the modern stuff is as good as you think. Or as original. (!)
Try and explore the roots of Fantasy and Science Fiction, if it's not too boring for you.
Were you forced to read LOTR, as part of a class? This might explain your resentment of it...
Wow, how can you talk like that about one of the best fantasy writers that ever existed? Not only was the storyline good, the characters were solid and believable. It might have been a little tedious at times, but lets face it, it was written in a time period that was nowhere near as fast-paced as ours.This is one of my favorite series!
wow i really agree with you. i love fantasy, probably my favourite genre, and i always wondered why i couldn't get into LOTR. like it seems to have every ingredient of what a good fantasy should be like but it does nothin for me. phew! i feel way better now :D
You don't like Tolkien, but you love fantasy. Hmmm... This is similar to my friend's son, who told me he loved heavy metal, but he didn't like Led Zeppelin.Get a clue. LoTR is one of the best selling books of all time, and not because people think they're supposed to like it. It sells better than every other fantasy novel because it's better. If you don't like it, fine. But don't tell me you don't like it because Tolkien can't write... because you're showing the rest of us how little you know about literature in general, and fantasy in particular.
Obviously the fact that there are more copies of LotR in the world than any other book except the Bible means nothing to those too dim or self-important to understand what Tolkien did. I have very little patience with readers who lack great ideas or imaginations when it comes to the physical world, and can't fathom the point a writer is making to save their lives and thus can't understand a story.
You can't go into the series thinking you're reading "literature" with stellar character development and smooth, stylistic prose. This is why I'm glad I read them for the first time when I was thirteen, because that was before I was taught to look for things like that. I enjoyed them, I still enjoy them, and I think it's a shame that some people can't just enjoy a book without trying to analyze it and critique it to bits. I love all the characters, but I'm not pretending the have perfect characterization (although it's pretty damn good) and I also don't read it for the characters. I read it because I love it.
I think it is quite interesting that there are people out there like yourself that can't see art when it is staring right at them. But then again some people don't appreciate Michaelangelo. The point that you are missing is that this book is much much more than a fantasy novel. Tolkien was a medieval scholar. Have you ever read a medieval text? I guess not. Try it sometime and you might just see how truly magnificent this work is. When I was 11 years old I picked up this book from my dads shelf and it was so real that I actually thought hobbits existed for a week. This book is the reason that I read Le Morte D'Arthur at age 14. Some day I will write a review.
I am so relieved to see other people pointing out that Lord of the Rings is very like the medieval works Tolkien spent his life working on. Good going, people.
A review's purpose isn't to say 'I hate Tolkien and I blame him for his huge fanbase.' Why? Was it too difficult for you to understand what was going on? There IS a place (many places, in fact), but you've got to pay attention in order to understand what's going on and where they are going. I agree that at some points Tolkien overdid on the details about where is this and where is that, but he was a great writer after all.
Tolkien created a fully realized fantasy world or time (WHICH is debatable) and a story deeply immersed in metaphor and symbolic imagery to the degree that many works pale in comparison that attempt it, and despite how fantastical the entire story is (and imagine how much more so at the time!), he retains something many authors of fantasy nowadays miss: Authenticity and believability in the very world they invent.I'll never understand people like this who bemoan highly descriptive works, it's like they would prefer something written by a high school student over a weekend as long as it's action packed and skips over describing objects in the background, instead of a story written by a genius scholar of languages/history that dedicated his entire creative life to this grand creation. This man was brilliant and so was this series. This is a literature masterpiece, a real work of art though, not meant to be a quickly digested teen fantasy read.
Of course this is all just my perspective on this, but I just hope those who haven't read this series, give it a real chance. Just plod your way through the more descriptive parts, as there is a point to most of it ultimately speaking: It builds and solidifies the depth and realism of the world Tolkien created and it does so to a degree that so many other writers fail.
I read the Shannara books, and they were fun, but a pale imitation of LotR. It is funny that literature professors were mentioned, professors of literature were much more likely to sneer at this book than to be singing it's praises. The book has recently been given some respect in academia, but this book was sneered at for decades by adademia.
He was an amazing writer! His use of description was fantastic. Some writer only wish they could write as he did. You should read his work and try to appreciate it. I cannot believe your ridiculous comment. A writer is only as good as he can work the reader's imagination and paint the images within the writing. He has done this and much more.
In the 8th grade, I would have scoffed at and avoided at all costs any book that an english teacher had sung the praises of. But that year we read the Fellowship of the Ring in english class, and despite my deep dislike of being forced to read a book that was not of my own choosing, I gobbled it up and promptly begged my parents to buy me the full set so I could read the other two (which I did!).
You are completely wrong about everything you just said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is the greatest author of all time and his books can not be criticized!!!!!!!!
Wow, chill Tolkien fanatics. The Lord of the Rings (which I am going to start soon, for the first time!) is not going to be enjoyed by everyone.That being said, Tolkien was a Professor, wasn't he? He studied linguistics, medieval literature and even gave a University lecture on Beuwolf (sp?) So of course it's going to be very descriptive, of course it's going to seem tedious by today's standards. It was written in the 30s! You don't see me moaning about how tedious Gothic Classics are, do you? No, because I realize that I have to put it in the right context. To me, it seems you haven't put Tolkien in the right context. The guy was an academic, his world building skill is practically unparallelled and his attention to detail immense. Yes, I can imagine it will be tedious at various times, but that's the style and depth that Tolkien was most likely aiming for.





