http://www.goodreads.com/review/list_rss/338721 en-US Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:55:24 -0700 60 http://www.goodreads.com/ 200 41 http://www.goodreads.com/images/layout/gr_logo.gif 21363851 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:55:24 -0700 over in this YA group because I can hardly wait to talk about this book with my RL book group. (the topics for those who have finished the book are here.

It was a fun/interesting/saddening/uplifting story. Despite its length (or lack thereof, really), there are several well-developed, interesting characters. The fact that Alexie drew much of the story from his real life makes it more poignant. The book immerses you in both life on the reservation and life in the off-rez school.

I bought the book because it was too late to get it from the library and was thinking I'd give it to my niece to read, but I don't think she's quite ready for it (she's a very young 13). Maybe next year. (There's a good discussion of this in the Underestimating Kids/Teens topic in the second link above.)

Some of the language and jokes are very juvenile - that's right for the characters and for many in the target age group, but it's not my thing. The book would lose meaning and effect without this aspect, but it's still what keeps me from giving the book 5 stars. 4 1/2, really.
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author: Sherman Alexie
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.35
book published: 2007
rating: 4
read at: 06/08
date added: 06/09/08
shelves: bookgroup, own, ya
review:
I've been browsing reviews and participating a bit in the discussion over in this YA group because I can hardly wait to talk about this book with my RL book group. (the topics for those who have finished the book are here.

It was a fun/interesting/saddening/uplifting story. Despite its length (or lack thereof, really), there are several well-developed, interesting characters. The fact that Alexie drew much of the story from his real life makes it more poignant. The book immerses you in both life on the reservation and life in the off-rez school.

I bought the book because it was too late to get it from the library and was thinking I'd give it to my niece to read, but I don't think she's quite ready for it (she's a very young 13). Maybe next year. (There's a good discussion of this in the Underestimating Kids/Teens topic in the second link above.)

Some of the language and jokes are very juvenile - that's right for the characters and for many in the target age group, but it's not my thing. The book would lose meaning and effect without this aspect, but it's still what keeps me from giving the book 5 stars. 4 1/2, really.

]]> 23083233 Tue, 27 May 2008 17:40:15 -0700
author: Tim Powers
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.21
book published: 1990
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 05/27/08
shelves:
review:

]]> 12867421 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:38:30 -0700
I liked the parts told by Franklin Blake and Ezra Jennings and (surprisingly) enjoyed the part narrated by Miss Clack (although I kept wanting to whap her one upside the head). There was too much told by Betteredge (although I was amused by his devotion to Robinson Crusoe). The section he narrated often seemed like an unending monotone speech. I think what bothered me was that it didn't feel like a whole book. The characters are clearly drawn, for the most part, but it didn't feel like they were all part of the same story.



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author: William Wilkie Collins
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.96
book published: 1868
rating: 3
read at:
date added: 04/30/08
shelves: bookgroup, own
review:
Hmmmmm. I chose this book for my book group and wanted to like it. But in the end, I thought it was rather...meh.

I liked the parts told by Franklin Blake and Ezra Jennings and (surprisingly) enjoyed the part narrated by Miss Clack (although I kept wanting to whap her one upside the head). There was too much told by Betteredge (although I was amused by his devotion to Robinson Crusoe). The section he narrated often seemed like an unending monotone speech. I think what bothered me was that it didn't feel like a whole book. The characters are clearly drawn, for the most part, but it didn't feel like they were all part of the same story.




]]> 7501703 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:38:31 -0700 Bel Canto, but still very good. Some beautiful characters, again, brought together through very unlikely circumstances, again. Patchett's talent is making the story seem believable.

I loved Tip's fascination with fish and all the descriptions related to fish. The scenes in Tip's office and at Tip's graduation contain my favorite descriptions.

I cried at the end. I'm still not sure why. I'll be re-reading this one.

(From 2007 recommended books.)]]>
author: Ann Patchett
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.51
book published: 2008
rating: 4
read at: 10/07
date added: 04/21/08
shelves: constant-reader-discussion-books
review:
Not quite as riveting as Bel Canto, but still very good. Some beautiful characters, again, brought together through very unlikely circumstances, again. Patchett's talent is making the story seem believable.

I loved Tip's fascination with fish and all the descriptions related to fish. The scenes in Tip's office and at Tip's graduation contain my favorite descriptions.

I cried at the end. I'm still not sure why. I'll be re-reading this one.

(From 2007 recommended books.)
]]> 20520470 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:46:36 -0700
author: Sue Grafton
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.74
book published: 1986
rating: 3
read at:
date added: 04/19/08
shelves: own, read-long-ago
review:

]]> 20520414 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:45:54 -0700
author: Sue Grafton
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.65
book published: 1983
rating: 3
read at:
date added: 04/19/08
shelves: own, read-long-ago
review:

]]> 20184045 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:45:16 -0700
author: Bertolt Brecht
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.00
book published: 1987
rating: 4
read at:
date added: 04/14/08
shelves: german-lit
review:

]]> 19964117 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:15:40 -0700
author: David Roberts
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.72
book published: 1998
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 04/11/08
shelves:
review:
Sounds really cool, actually. I took two Old Icelandic courses about a million years ago; they included some of the funniest and most interesting sagas I've ever read.
]]> 18796414 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:05:12 -0700
author: Gabriel García Márquez
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.15
book published: 1980
rating: 4
read at: 01/85
date added: 03/27/08
shelves: own
review:
It took me forever to read this - nearly a year, IIRC. I was uncomfortably lost in it for a while, but eventually found that it had a lot in common with several German novels (Novalis' Heinrich von Ofterdingen and Goethe's Wilhelm Meisters Lehrjahre, for instance) and got a better feel for what García Marquez was trying to do. I really need to go back to read it again and think about it properly.
]]> 11381246 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:07:13 -0800 The Tin Drum when he was describing his birth; I haven't read it in about 20 years, but I need to dig it up and re-read a bit of it to see if there are more than surface similarities in the narration.

One of the other reviews talks about Cal's hermaphrodism being a sensationalist device to draw publicity. I don't quite agree. I think it's part of what makes the narrator's omniscience more believable. In some ways, it represents any quality or aspect that a parent doesn't want to see in his or her child (sexual preference, divorce, choice of majors, haircut); it's something that a parent can deny, come to terms with, accept.

I didn't give it five stars because there are some parts of the book that feel like they're not quite finished. (Cal's relationship with Julie, for instance.) ]]>
author: Jeffrey Eugenides
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.06
book published: 2002
rating: 4
read at: 01/08
date added: 02/10/08
shelves: bookgroup
review:
I loved the extensiveness of this book. The range of settings, from Greece/Turkey to Detroit to San Francisco, and - above all - the omniscient first-person narrator really made the book for me. I found myself thinking of The Tin Drum when he was describing his birth; I haven't read it in about 20 years, but I need to dig it up and re-read a bit of it to see if there are more than surface similarities in the narration.

One of the other reviews talks about Cal's hermaphrodism being a sensationalist device to draw publicity. I don't quite agree. I think it's part of what makes the narrator's omniscience more believable. In some ways, it represents any quality or aspect that a parent doesn't want to see in his or her child (sexual preference, divorce, choice of majors, haircut); it's something that a parent can deny, come to terms with, accept.

I didn't give it five stars because there are some parts of the book that feel like they're not quite finished. (Cal's relationship with Julie, for instance.)
]]> 12355719 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:01:19 -0800
I think it's best to read it without knowing where the story is going, because you wonder at first whether you're actually comprehending the action. Read the book description - which is really a review - if you want the general story; read a couple of reviews if you want to know the disturbing subject matter. (I really want a spoiler box!!!)

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author: Ann-Marie MacDonald
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.96
book published: 2003
rating: 5
read at: 03/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: bookgroup
review:
One of the best novels I've ever read. The story moves from a sunny beginning through some troubling times. It's very carefully written (not in a studied way; the author has clearly thought out how to write about disturbing topics without sensationalizing); the book is breathtaking, really.

I think it's best to read it without knowing where the story is going, because you wonder at first whether you're actually comprehending the action. Read the book description - which is really a review - if you want the general story; read a couple of reviews if you want to know the disturbing subject matter. (I really want a spoiler box!!!)


]]> 12355670 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:20:34 -0800
author: Lilian Jackson Braun
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.61
book published: 2005
rating: 3
read at: 03/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: mysteries
review:

]]> 12355560 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:33 -0800
author: Donna Andrews
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.57
book published: 2005
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: mysteries
review:
I like the premise of computer as sentient being in this series.
]]> 12355464 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:17:14 -0800
author: Sabine Durrant
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.00
book published: 2005
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves:
review:

]]> 12355392 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:15:07 -0800
author: Lilian Jackson Braun
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.81
book published: 1989
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: mysteries
review:

]]> 12355287 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:13:19 -0800
author: Gillian Roberts
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.73
book published: 2006
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves:
review:

]]> 12355145 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:12:15 -0800
author: Gillian Roberts
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.71
book published: 2004
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: mysteries
review:
This is a fun series to read. Likeable characters. For some reason, I've always like C.K., even though he doesn't appear all that much.
]]> 12354878 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:08:50 -0800
author: Kerry Greenwood
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.71
book published: 2006
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: mysteries
review:
Actually meant to go find more in this series...
]]> 12354688 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:06:09 -0800
author: Diane Mott Davidson
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.80
book published: 1995
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: mysteries
review:

]]> 12354061 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:58:01 -0800
author: Judith Michael
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 2.77
book published: 2005
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves:
review:

]]> 12353740 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:55:11 -0800
author: Evan Marshall
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 2.40
book published: 2004
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 01/12/08
shelves: mysteries
review:

]]> 11610147 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:47:10 -0800
author: Sarah Turnbull
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.54
book published: 2004
rating: 3
read at: 10/05
date added: 01/04/08
shelves: own
review:
I'm wavering between 3 and 4 on this one. I really liked the way she depicted the cultural gap between herself and her adopted country. I've spent a lot of time in Germany and have similar feelings; my best friend was born in the States, but has lived in Germany most of her adult life (for more than 20 years now) and has similar feelings. There's something about this book that doesn't quite satisfy, though. It's been a couple of years since I read it, so I don't remember enough to speculate on what it was. I gave it to my best friend a couple years ago and she had a similar reaction.
]]> 11443509 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:50:40 -0800
author: Tim Mälzer
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.00
book published: 2007
rating: 4
read at: 12/07
date added: 01/02/08
shelves: cookbooks
review:
My godson asked for this for Christmas and cooked a roast beef dinner for us the other day that was excellent. We also made eclairs with chocolate mousse from this; also outstanding. Slightly annoying little tips (kind of reminds me of a toned-down, male version of Rachael Ray), but good recipes with clear instructions.
]]> 6795376 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:57:06 -0800
I was surprised at how well the story was developed, given that it is an epistolary novel. The letters (and occasional news clips) were very carefully structured so that you couldn't lose track of the story. Each letter writer had a distinctive voice that was quite consistent throughout the novel.

My favorite aspect, I think, was the richness of the characters. The four lead characters were interesting, thoughtful people. I particularly liked the strong female characters because they were strong in very different ways. I also liked the Friedrich Engels character because he created a tie to the time where the book is set.

And, even though it sounds like it could be ponderous, it was really quite entertaining.]]>
author: Steven Brust
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.83
book published: 1997
rating: 4
read at: 11/07
date added: 01/02/08
shelves: 2007
review:
It took me a couple of months to read this book, mostly because it was much more dense than the average book I've been reading lately. I'm sure I missed a lot of the philosophical aspects, though.

I was surprised at how well the story was developed, given that it is an epistolary novel. The letters (and occasional news clips) were very carefully structured so that you couldn't lose track of the story. Each letter writer had a distinctive voice that was quite consistent throughout the novel.

My favorite aspect, I think, was the richness of the characters. The four lead characters were interesting, thoughtful people. I particularly liked the strong female characters because they were strong in very different ways. I also liked the Friedrich Engels character because he created a tie to the time where the book is set.

And, even though it sounds like it could be ponderous, it was really quite entertaining.
]]> 11432828 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:17:07 -0800 a list of 10 books to read on economics by the authors of Freakonomics. Robert Heilbroner is partly responsible for what I know about economics. He's the co-author (with Lester Thurow) of the introductory text books that Prof. Rall used in the Intro. to Micro- and Macroeconomics classes that I took 30 years ago or so. (They're a couple of the few college texts I actually kept.)]]>
author: Robert L. Heilbroner
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.08
book published: 1953
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 01/02/08
shelves:
review:
No. 10 from a list of 10 books to read on economics by the authors of Freakonomics. Robert Heilbroner is partly responsible for what I know about economics. He's the co-author (with Lester Thurow) of the introductory text books that Prof. Rall used in the Intro. to Micro- and Macroeconomics classes that I took 30 years ago or so. (They're a couple of the few college texts I actually kept.)
]]> 10935855 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:33:58 -0800
author: Rick Bayless
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.38
book published: 2006
rating: 5
read at: 12/06
date added: 12/23/07
shelves: cookbooks, own
review:
Lots of variety in the recipes. I really like the stories that go with the recipes.
]]> 10935711 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:28:28 -0800
author: The Culinary Institute of America (CIA)
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.33
book published: 2005
rating: 0
read at: 03/06
date added: 12/23/07
shelves: cookbooks
review:

]]> 10935665 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:26:59 -0800
author: June Apel
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 5.00
book published: 2002
rating: 0
read at: 03/06
date added: 12/23/07
shelves: crafts
review:

]]> 10935603 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:26:05 -0800
author: Richard Kollath
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 0.00
book published: 1993
rating: 0
read at: 03/06
date added: 12/23/07
shelves: crafts
review:

]]> 10874564 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:22:41 -0800
author: Marilynne Robinson
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.85
book published: 2006
rating: 4
read at: 01/07
date added: 12/22/07
shelves: 2007, bookgroup
review:
Kyra recommended this. It's beautifully (poetically, really) written and gives you an interesting perspective on faith.
]]> 10873932 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:17:31 -0800
author: Billie Letts
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.72
book published: 1998
rating: 4
read at: 01/07
date added: 12/22/07
shelves: 2007, bookgroup
review:
Didn't expect to like this, but found it was really enjoyable. Loved the characters, their names, and the concept of living at WalMart.
]]> 9484509 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:22:40 -0800
author: Miguel de Toro y Gisbert
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 0.00
book published: 1964
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 11/24/07
shelves: desk-reference, own
review:
The Spanish dictionary my Mom bought ages and ages ago. I've looked up quite a few words in it, especially when my old roommate and I were trying to figure out vocabulary puzzles (she's Puerto Rican, my family is Mexican).
]]> 9483733 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:12:00 -0800 at this site. and similar sites.]]>
author: Peter Terrell
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 0.00
book published: 1980
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 11/24/07
shelves: desk-reference, own
review:
The German-English dictionary that I've had since forever (well, since 1987, anyway). It's still useful, although I'm more likely to look for stuff at this site. and similar sites.
]]> 9483352 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:43:40 -0800
author: Ramon Garcia-Pelayo
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 5.00
book published: 1984
rating: 5
read at:
date added: 11/24/07
shelves: desk-reference, own
review:
Another book I probably wouldn't buy today, but when I bought it it was the best I could find. Extensive, with lots of usage examples.
]]> 9483306 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:40:36 -0800
author: Inc Distribooks
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 5.00
book published: 1985
rating: 5
read at:
date added: 11/24/07
shelves: desk-reference, own
review:
I hardly write any German these days, but this is a great book for figuring out how to say what you actually mean to.
]]> 9483000 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:34:48 -0800
I'm unlikely to buy another hard-copy dictionary since the information is so easily accessible on the internet, but it's nice to be able to page through a reasonably heavy tome and discover new information.]]>
author: Della Thompson
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.40
book published: 1995
rating: 5
read at:
date added: 11/24/07
shelves: desk-reference, own
review:
Another dictionary that meets my criteria for actually buying one: recently updated, lots of usage examples. This one also has a nice reference section, with interesting items such as: biological classification, a style guide, proofreading marks, major divisions of geological time (a good mix of sections you would and wouldn't expect from a dictionary).

I'm unlikely to buy another hard-copy dictionary since the information is so easily accessible on the internet, but it's nice to be able to page through a reasonably heavy tome and discover new information.
]]> 9482333 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:07:12 -0800
author: Walter S. Achtert
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 5.00
book published: 0
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 11/24/07
shelves: desk-reference, own
review:
Not that useful any more, but I can't seem to remove it from my reference shelf. I'd actually go on-line to the Purdue OWL Web site if I had a reference question these days.
]]> 9482197 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:03:17 -0800
author: Inc Distribooks
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 5.00
book published: 1994
rating: 5
read at:
date added: 11/24/07
shelves: desk-reference, own
review:
This one met my criteria of having reasonably up-to-date vocabulary and, more importantly, having lots of examples for correct usage. It's a 1989 edition, but is very thorough.
]]> 9274590 Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:56:59 -0800
author: Charles Dickinson
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.22
book published: 2004
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 11/18/07
shelves:
review:

]]> 9179633 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:57:52 -0800
author: Suzan-Lori Parks
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 1.80
book published: 2003
rating: 3
read at:
date added: 11/15/07
shelves: bookgroup
review:
It took a while to get into this book, but I wound up liking it quite well. Interesting, quirky characters; interesting journey.
]]> 9179336 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:52:48 -0800
author: Sarah Dunant
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.89
book published: 2003
rating: 4
read at:
date added: 11/15/07
shelves: bookgroup
review:
I'm not a big historical fiction fan, but this is a book that goes into just enough detail about the time period. It gives you a very real-feeling picture about a woman's life in 15th century Florence.
]]> 8996006 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:44:25 -0800
author: Rick Bayless
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.43
book published: 2007
rating: 5
read at:
date added: 11/12/07
shelves: cookbooks
review:
I've owned the original edition since the late '80s. It's my favorite Mexican cookbook, probably because he suggests variations on each dish with just about every recipe. His introduction is brief, but thorough and includes citations so that you could go read more of the history if you were inclined to do so. This book is the only one I've found that contains recipes that came close to some of the typical Mexican dishes that my grandma and great grandma used to make.
]]> 8995778 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:37:50 -0800
author: Rick Bayless
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.36
book published: 1996
rating: 5
read at:
date added: 11/12/07
shelves: cookbooks
review:
One of two Rick Bayless books that I always recommend to people asking about Mexican food and cooking techniques. What I like best is that he includes background information on various key ingredients.
]]> 8995659 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:32:38 -0800
author: Rick Bayless
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.25
book published: 2000
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 11/12/07
shelves: cookbooks
review:
I recommend anything by Rick Bayless because he always includes interesting and useful information. I'm not sure that I've actually made anything from this book, but I always learn something just browsing through it.
]]> 8995570 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:28:43 -0800
author: Diana Kennedy
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 4.50
book published: 1972
rating: 0
read at:
date added: 11/12/07
shelves: cookbooks
review:
Haven't actually used her book much. It serves as a resource when I want to look something up about Mexican food.
]]> 8768452 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:06:43 -0800
author: Sue Monk Kidd
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.79
book published: 2002
rating: 4
read at:
date added: 11/06/07
shelves:
review:
Really really liked the story. I found it surprising throughout, in a very pleasant way. I'm scared to read it again because I'm afraid I'd find some of the flaws in the writing that are mentioned in other reviews. For me, the story was compelling enough to make up for any style issues.
]]> 8309085 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:26:01 -0700
author: Sarah Graves
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.65
book published: 2005
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 10/27/07
shelves:
review:

]]> 8309059 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:24:26 -0700
author: Elsa Klensch
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 2.33
book published: 2004
rating: 2
read at: 02/05
date added: 10/27/07
shelves:
review:

]]> 8308997 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:17:53 -0700
author: Mary Higgins Clark
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.42
book published: 2006
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 10/27/07
shelves:
review:

]]> 8308953 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:13:12 -0700
author: Jill Churchill
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.37
book published: 2005
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 10/27/07
shelves:
review:

]]> 8308861 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:11:07 -0700
author: Jim Fergus
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.79
book published: 1999
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 10/27/07
shelves: bookgroup
review:
This is a book I was ambivalent about. I was fond of May's character, and was fascinated by the description of her life as part of a group of Native Americans, but I really disliked the resolution. It seemed to become much more melodramatic toward the end.
]]> 8308779 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:02:14 -0700
author: Diane Mott Davidson
name: gardentraveler
average rating: 3.75
book published: 2001
rating: 3
read at: 02/05
date added: 10/27/07
shelves:
review:

]]> 8308709 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:00:01 -0700