I can see how this book influenced the modern pagan movement so much. On the other hand, at this point much of it is very out of date, often to the poI can see how this book influenced the modern pagan movement so much. On the other hand, at this point much of it is very out of date, often to the point of being offensive to the modern readers, like when Jill tells Mike that nine times out of ten, when a woman is raped, it's partially her fault. The book is also very heteronormative and homophobic given its openness to exploring healthy sexuality. Still, it was an enjoyable read. The first half was especially interesting, given that last section pretty much left behind the depth of plot and character development from the beginning of the book in favor of a lot of philosophizing....more
This book was so excellent for its telling of the history of modern paganism. I was especially inspired by the variety of pagan religions and means toThis book was so excellent for its telling of the history of modern paganism. I was especially inspired by the variety of pagan religions and means to worship she detailed....more
I bought the book, but had been avoiding it for fear of being irritated at all the Christian theology. But I haven’t been at all. There have only beenI bought the book, but had been avoiding it for fear of being irritated at all the Christian theology. But I haven’t been at all. There have only been one or two times in this book where I’ve rolled my eyes internally.
No, this author gets it. He knows the point of faith, and that it has nothing to do with the afterlife. Sure, I find it a little annoying that he states that he uses the terms “God,” “Spirit” and “the Divine” interchageably, but the Christianity he proposes solves many of the same problems with traditional Christianity and Christian culture that made me leave it in the first place. Plus, he’s working from the same kind of place I am as a pseudo-reconstructionist. He really knows the history of the Bible, and has studied what the words would have meant at the time they were written. And sometimes they mean very different things than the meaning generally given them in modern times. Those other meanings clarify Christian theology and his knowledge of history gives him the space to really find God, the way that I think knowing of the history of the Heathen faith clarifies and allows for my worship of Freyja.
I even found a few chapters very thought-provoking when viewed from the lens of a pagan.
Christianity as Superego
One of the problems he sees with mainstream Christianity is its complicated relationship to the superego. Because of all the focus on sin, the religion actively reinforces the superego of its followers, who are then seeking a closer relationship with the religion in order to escape their overactive superegos.
This reminded me of my days as a Christian, when I had (I still do) a quite overactive superego. I was afraid of doing anything against the rules, going so far as to basically make up nonexistent rules that I was afraid of breaking. And I remember that snake of the superego leaving me the moment I decided to convert.
I still don’t want to break rules, but I’m much more reasonable about it now.
In any case, I was thinking about how wonderful paganism is in that it has helped me becomes friends with my id. Most of the people in this culture are too enculturated, we are all too big of friends with our egos and superegos, interested in what we can do or have and what we should or shouldn’t do or have. But in pagan rituals, I take a step back from all that and just be in the animal part of my brain, my ego, utterly at awe and surrendered to the flesh and the gods and the cosmos. And that tempers the ego and the superego that act so much of the time, and that balances me out and makes me much happier.
Images Relating to Values
One of the sections in this book talks about the different metaphors or images of God that have been written about throughout the centuries. He explores God as king, as lover, as rock, as mother, as wisdom, as journey companion, as father. And the he makes a very good point–the values of a Christian are directly related to his or her image of God. “For the monarchical model, sin is primarily disloyalty to the king, seen especially as disobedience to the laws…For the metaphor of God as lover, sin is unfaithfulness–that is, sin is going after other lovers. This is a classic image for idolatry…For the metaphor of God as the compassionate one who cares for all her children, sin is failure in compassion” (Borg 77-78).
That got me thinking about how my images of the divine (that being, multiple deities but primarily Freyja) influence what I think of as right action and ideas. Polytheism (that there are multiple deities with multiple ideas about the world) shows me that there is no ultimate truth and that everything is viewed from different lenses. Thor and Odin will take very different approaches to an encounter with a giant, but neither is wrong. And neither is morality so specific. But, given my image of the divine as being primarily Freyja, as she who I am closest to, I think that my ideas about values have a specific lens. For me, shunning beauty would be bad, though for many ascentics it is the correct thing to do. I want to fully enjoy life and sex, and I want to learn magic. I want to spread beauty wherever I go. That is what I learn from Freyja.
God(s) as doing, leading, or giving examples
I thought about the different relationships people have to gods while he was quoting a psalm that says “Create in me a clean heart, O God, and put a new and right spirit within me.” This suggests to me a relationship with God wherein God in doing your life for you. All spirituality is acted within the person through the actions of god, leaving the worshiper to be a pawn. I don’t like this model of relationship to the divine. It’s not a real relationship. There is no free will, no give and take, no gifts in exchange for gifts. It is simply as if God is living millions of lives simultaneously instead of anyone living their own.
Then I thought about other relationships to the divine, and I think the other two primary ones are leading and giving example. Many Christians I know follow by example–the WWJD bracelets everyone had when I was a kid are a good example of that. They look to how their god lived and follow that example. Some heathens do that, but not many, I think. I certainly look to Freyja for inspiration, but wouldn’t exactly say I live my life by her example. I don’t have multiple sex partners, for one thing.
My relationship to Freyja, and the one I perceive most pagans as having, is the gods leading us in our lives. They give us hints about where to go, but it is ultimately us doing the living and making the choices.
To finish, I’m just going to say that I’ve enjoyed reading this book. I feel much more at ease with Christian theology after understanding where it came from. I think the theology in this book answers many of the same questions pagans have, and therefore sheds some light onto what kinds of questions we’re asking. And it’s always fun to read a book by a person with a relationship with a god who really gets it. His chapter on mysticism was particularly helpful in that regard–a reminder that sacred story and reenacting and dancing (ok, maybe he doesn’t really talk about dancing) are a way to the gods, and that any tradition can get you there....more
An excellent inquiry into polytheism. I preferred John Michael Greer's similar book "A World Full of Gods," mainly because it is argued from a neo-pagAn excellent inquiry into polytheism. I preferred John Michael Greer's similar book "A World Full of Gods," mainly because it is argued from a neo-pagan perspective. However, Paper's book, seeing as how the polytheism discussed therein is mainly Chinese folk religion, may have a wider appeal, as it deals with one of the world's oldest and largest religions rather than one of its newest....more
I loved reading this book! I learned so many incredibly interesting things, and I would say my biggest takeaways were how much folklore has been lostI loved reading this book! I learned so many incredibly interesting things, and I would say my biggest takeaways were how much folklore has been lost in the last few hundred years, but also how deep the roots of folklore go. So many parts of our lives are influenced by this history in ways it isn't always easy to see without the framework of that folklore to guide you. For example, I never knew that there was an actual folkloric history to Yankee Doodle and his macaroni. I am surprised by seeing how much more full this awareness can make my life, and how I can being to see this history in parts of our lives she didn't even mention, like the long short walk of our modern brides down the aisle or even the folklore and symbolism in Christmas carols. I also really enjoyed her argument that we allow the folklore to live on, but not for adults. We give it to the children--hobby horses and dances in circles and Santa Claus as examples.
I found this book quite unconvincing, which was a bit sad to me, since I am a polytheist and therefore was predisposed to believe him. However, I hadI found this book quite unconvincing, which was a bit sad to me, since I am a polytheist and therefore was predisposed to believe him. However, I had a few issues with his main line of reasoning, and writing style.
He would go into great detail about things, like defining "the universe" and then other things that could have used more in depth discussion were throwaways. For example, "Thus, we are not really in a position to say it is unlikely that disembodied minds would acquire information by intuition. Perhaps our experience of proprioception can function as an analogue of what such awareness would be like. Finally, it seems the consensus..." Why is this comment about proprioception a throwaway? Many people don't know the definition of proprioception. I do, and I don't see what analogy he's making at all.
Later on, there's a whole discussion about minds and whether the gods can have them because the brain evolved, and the implication seems to be that gods can have minds because they didn't evolve. But whether or not they evolved and how their not evolving means they exist isn't really clear.
Then there was this whole section on goodness, and I just didn't understand why arguing for an all-good deity had anything to do with arguing for the existence of any deity.
I did appreciate the argument that it makes sense for gods to exist because there's no reason not to believe all the people who have said they've experienced them.
However, the language style was off-putting, and the book could have used a few more revisions and refinements. For people looking for a good book on this subject, I much more suggest "A World Full of Gods" by John Michael Greer, which is quoted in this book. It's much more readable and convincing....more