When it comes to the topic of the divine council and the unseen realm stuff, I guess I kind of felt a good majority of people already had a general grWhen it comes to the topic of the divine council and the unseen realm stuff, I guess I kind of felt a good majority of people already had a general grasp on it. About a year ago I was given the opportunity to preach at our church and I spoke on some basics of the divine council view (view sermon here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV9P_...), and found out that the understanding was nowhere near as common as I guess I thought it was.
A month or so later I was asked if I had checked out Michael Heiser's stuff, of whom I had never heard of, and was glad to see I was on a lot of the same paths that he was. So, when I heard of this book coming out, I HAD to get it. It was everything I hoped it would be and MORE.
Obviously I cannot say I agree totally with all of his points of conclusions, but that is more the exception than the rule. I really enjoy the way the books continues to build upon itself. He makes a point, then brings the point back upon the next chapter and builds on it. As the foundation knowledge grows, you can begin seeing things even before he points them out. But when he does point things out, or show the connection with previous points, it can at time becomes quite mind-blowing.
I would have to write my own book to even begin to lay out the many points that highlighted my reading of this book. First off, the book is very easy to read, and is not written as a scholarly journal. Very well written and very easy to grasp.
Part 3 of the book struck me first as being a bit of what I knew, and a whole lot of great additions to it. Dealing with Diving Transgressions, it begins to unfold the whole battle for power in the unseen realm, and dispels much of the myths behind what we term today as the fall of Satan. But also begins the discussion of cosmic geography, which as we progress through the book begins to click more and more, making so many obscure verse begin to come together in new ways.
Moving into part 5, the "Conquest and Failure" where dealing with the giants are covered, understanding and seeing the geography made so much more sense of so many other passages.
Part 6 is where I started really seeing many new understanding of scriptures from both the new and old testaments. Especially when the geography of things like the mountain of Bashan and the discussions on Baal, those really started me firing on all cylinders at times.
Closing out, he started dealing with the Kingdom now - which was where he begins dealing with the story of the New Testament, and really brings it all together. However, the weakest part of the whole book was the last section on the "Kingdom Not Yet." True, this book is not a book on eschatology, and so he only scratches the surface, but his approach appears to take for granted a literal, physical end-time view that is prevalent in the church today, which I feel ignores a more historic, spiritual look that the Hebrews would have grasped and understood. But again, this was a brief part of the book, and not totally needed for the wealth of so much that was laid out before.
I recommend this book to any serious Bible student. I will warn you though, if you are unfamiliar with the idea of the divine council, the realm of the elohim, the two Yahweh idea, the fact that the Bible is not about God vs a being named Satan, and such related topic, then this book will be an even bigger mind-blowing experience. But in a good way. A restoration of the ancient Hebrew thought on scripture is so much needed today - and grasping it will make the Bible take on new life. As chapter one rightly starts out, you will truly be "reading your Bible again for the first time."...more
This was a truly enjoyable read. I have read a handful of great theologically based books on giants in the past couple years, including Giants: Sons oThis was a truly enjoyable read. I have read a handful of great theologically based books on giants in the past couple years, including Giants: Sons of the God and The Sons of God and the Nephilim, so the bulk of the giant related information covered in this Godawa book was not necessarily new. However, the difference with this book and the others, is that this one deals with a wider range subjects. It looks at the Divine Council and all kinds of other topics related to the battle between the seed of the serpent and the seed of Eve.
This book is just an expanded upon volume containing all of the historical appendices from his fantasy series Chronicles of the Nephilim. When brought together like this, they provide a good amount of background information explaining the historical basis and reasoning behind topics covered in his novels. And in the end, we are presented with a great source for understanding a lot of details pulled from the ancient Hebrew understandings of many biblical passages than have stumped many commentators in recent centuries.
People who wish to ignore the overwhelming evidence of the historical Hebrew and early church understanding of the Divine Council, Sons of God (Gen. 6) as being angels, the Watchers, Nephilim, and the idea of giants, will obviously dislike and poorly rate this book.
The book covers and discusses a lot of historical and scholarly topics, though it never crosses the line into becoming a dry scholarly read itself.
There were a handful of smaller topics that Godawa covers here, that over the years I had come to kind of lean towards believing, but had never studied them out or heard others promoting a similar understanding. So for me, I found some validations for my thoughts at times.
Sadly, the majority of the topics covered in this book will probably be so alien to today's average church goer, that they may be viewed as purely fantasy like the novels. The general consensus of the ancient Hebrews as well as the early church has been pretty much lost and forgotten on these things, and so, many today may be quite disturbed by them. However, once you begin to see this whole overarching story as it is revealed and plays out through Scripture, the whole of Scripture takes on new meaning.
So, while I feel a book like Giants: Sons of the God by Van Dorn is one of the better books on giants in general, covering the topic both from a biblical and recently modern historical view of the evidence of giants, this book by Godawa covers so much more, bringing a whole story together that other books do not.
So, as of now, this is my new go-to book when it comes to suggested reading for someone wanting to consider this subject....more
Overall a very good book. I read it knowing little to nothing of the author or his background (still don't) but for the most part no real definitive bOverall a very good book. I read it knowing little to nothing of the author or his background (still don't) but for the most part no real definitive bias of views seems present, as it is mostly an academic view at the topic of apocalyptic.
I was impressed with the section looking at the difference between apocalyptic and eschatology - which was quite helpful in understanding the differences. Most of us seem to consider the two to be synonymous, when they are in fact different. While eschatology is a look at the last things, apocalyptic is a look into a non-earthly realm - usually the heavenly realm. So something that is apocalyptic is not necessarily related to anything dealing with the end of anything.
The bulk of the book then looks through a plethora of Hebrew apocalyptic writings, biblical and others, to show similarities and comparisons in thoughts, understandings, and beliefs at different times.
The only weakness I felt was the section on dating the apocalyptic writings, and some of the thoughts behind dating. It seems at time he was overlooking the possibility of prophetic thoughts, and instead assumed those things were written after-the-fact and/or influenced by later times and cultures. I found it odd to dismiss (at time) the idea of prophetic writing.
Aside from that the book contained quite a bit of good information....more
Thoroughly enjoyable. I too believe the modern church has lost track of the amazing ways the ancient church used the Psalms in corporate worship and lThoroughly enjoyable. I too believe the modern church has lost track of the amazing ways the ancient church used the Psalms in corporate worship and life. Wright points out many great ideas behind their use, and the benefits it can bring. I may be making more of this than others, and it may be because I come from a background of years ago being in an "exclusive psalmody" in worship denomination. This book does not promote such an idea, but still shows the importance of the Psalms in general.
Another great and well-researched book on the topic of Genesis 6. I just previously finished Van Dorn's volume on the topic Giants: Sons of the God whAnother great and well-researched book on the topic of Genesis 6. I just previously finished Van Dorn's volume on the topic Giants: Sons of the God which I found to be more in-depth and exhaustive in ways, I still found Chaffey's work to add additional information to the discussion.
As expected, he lists the alternate views, and then disassembles them by showing their weaknesses. In the end, only the fallen angel view can match all of the criteria of original language, other use in scripture, as well as other historical writings. The historical writings sections had some pieces I was unfamiliar with too, which was nice to see.
In both this and Van Dorn's book, they go the extra mile to show that there is a better than good possibility that God had his people on a mission to wipe out this giant threat, as is evident from the battles He sent them on. If this is true (and evidence seems to point that way), then it is a game changer when it comes to understanding the OT and all that was happening as far as the people being sent to wipe out whole people groups.
I give this book two thumbs up as a great starting point for the discussion of Gen. 6, the Sons of God and the Nephilim. ...more
Years ago I had done some study in the Gen. 6 issue about the "sons of god" and have thought to writing a book of my findings. Well, I am glad to sayYears ago I had done some study in the Gen. 6 issue about the "sons of god" and have thought to writing a book of my findings. Well, I am glad to say I can remove that idea from my to-do list, because this book far exceeds a anything I could imagine writing. This is my first Kindle book ever read, so I was not able to feel the end of the book coming, and when I thought there was nothing else he could possibly say, I would look to see I wasn't even halfway done.
When the main section did finally come to an end, I still found I was only half done. The amount of extra appendices as well as the endnotes added even more information of great importance to the study.
If you're looking for a book that pretty much seals the deal of proving the angels angle, and one that deals with every contrary argument, then this is for you. On top of that there is just so much more, making this a major tool in the discussion.
A great amount of information is provided about everything from giants in mythology and folklore, to stories passed down from all over the globe of historic dealings with giants. A wealth of information on the topic all in one place. Excellent....more
This is my first time reading a book by Nyland, and while overall, the content and her connecting the pieces together was good, but quite often the deThis is my first time reading a book by Nyland, and while overall, the content and her connecting the pieces together was good, but quite often the delivery seemed lacking. The material feels a little like just a bunch of pieces of disjointed facts and texts tossed together with a bit of notes in an attempt to make a comprehensive writing.
Not much background to things is given most of the time, and no real leading up to a point and then proving it. Most of the time it feels like a bunch of pieces of scholarly points, laced together to be somewhat cohesive.
For me, already being familiar with many of the texts she quotes from, this was not a major distraction, but most people tend to give a little background on the books being quoted from and maybe a little lead in text, which would benefit the reader greatly. Maybe this is a good thing. Maybe this would be considered straight and to the point, and maybe I am just not used to it. It just struck me as an odd writing style that I am not used to, taking away from the scholarly aspect of the topic, and maybe not a good introductory type book for the uninitiated.
While some of the connections seem bit of a stretch and are often not fully explained, explored or proven - like making Romans 1 lean more towards discussing unnatural relations of angels and humans, instead of the often view idea of homosexuality - some of those points do open the door for further investigation down the line.
The main confusion with this book, for me, was how throughout the majority of it, she deals with just biblical and Hebrew texts. Then, all of a sudden she jumps into this long section dealing with the views of giants in Greek mythology. I felt that was a big disconnect and fail to see the relevance of it. While some of the terms and places may sound common to Hebrew writings, I cannot tell if she is putting the Hebrew writings on the same level as mythology or what exactly the purpose was for including such a large section of quotes from those sources. At one point, I almost wondered if I would find a reference to the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk mixed in there. Maybe there was a purpose for giving so much space to Greek mythology, but I did not find it fully explained as to why such fiction was incorporated in with a biblical discussion.
I found the early majority of the book very beneficial in piecing together so many texts to show a single joined story of sorts, but then it gets distracting, in the latter part tossing around with mythology, but returned somewhat at the end to the main story relating to biblical issues. Though the section on the origins of evil that deals with Adam and the fall, seems to again go off topic.
She goes into this whole section explaining how the term Adam in the original language starts off meaning a corporate entity and not a specific "male" but then a few verses later explains that it does become a term for a specific male person. Interesting language tip to a degree, but seemingly unrelated, and ultimately of no real purpose to the story. I mean, just because it starts off as a corporate term, it quickly becomes a single person term and the story continues about that single relationship, the fall, and a single lineage from it. The same can be said about the disconnected brief discussion on Eve and the Gnostic gospels.
There are a few such disjointed sections that appear here and there, but in the end, I found much of the content beneficial. I think a lot of the issues I find here with the presentation are the types we will continue to see with the further expanding of self published works like this. A professional publisher, proofreader and editor would have been a great benefit to fixing these presentation issue.
So, high rankings on much of the gems of information contained within, but minus one star for writing style and presentation....more
This is an easy-to-read, easy-to-understand book about fulfilled eschatology (preterism). The author starts with the angle that the title states, dealThis is an easy-to-read, easy-to-understand book about fulfilled eschatology (preterism). The author starts with the angle that the title states, dealing with the gathering that was prophesied to take place in the "last days." This part alone is worth the price of the book, but she does stop there. The book continues on to hit on most every major topic and concern of eschatology like the resurrection, day of the Lord, death, Revelation, etc. All in all a nice introduction to many aspects of the fulfilled eschatology view. I think this, along with Glenn Hill's Christianity's Great Dilemma, would make a good combo set for anyone interested in looking into this position, since both offer easy to grasp introductory views on almost all major issues....more