I am glad I read it, and when I see it on my shelf, I get ... happy feelings. So I think I did enjoy reading it, even though I kind of hoped for a litI am glad I read it, and when I see it on my shelf, I get ... happy feelings. So I think I did enjoy reading it, even though I kind of hoped for a little more than what I got. I appreciate it, I really do.
However, I think it's too long a book for a mystery like this. Yeah, I know, Victorian Literature, what was I expecting? But near the end, I was just frustrated at how long it was taking them to figure it out. I know Collins takes that time to also give us some more of the characters, and to imagine this being released chapter-by-chapter, it would have been a lot more fun to hunt for clues. I just got impatient, though. (My suspicion of the culprit is in one of the earliest status updates, and even though it makes no sense, turns out I was completely right.) (view spoiler)[It was Franklin, and the doctor, and Godfrey. HA! (hide spoiler)]
I didn't find myself shocked at any of the revelations, and I think this might have had something to do with how the story was told.
I think the only time I was surprised was when Franklin opened that tin, and even then, it wasn't like, "Oh! Didn't expect that!" I actually laughed, and then I felt let down because Rosanna's story turned out to be... well, just what Penelope had been talking about -- which her father found silly. (Wasn't really that fond of his views of the "opposite sex" either, no matter how politely he put them.)
Also disappointed in Rachel. I thought she had a bigger secret than that.
I think the one character I really did like was Jennings. Oh, and the little boy Gooseberry near the end. That kid was adorable.
Overall, yeah. Disappointment would sum it up. I guess I went in with high expectations.
I READ THIS But I don't remember much of it except that there was a scene involving ants and ankles and cherries and maybe a hot air balloon. I thinkI READ THIS But I don't remember much of it except that there was a scene involving ants and ankles and cherries and maybe a hot air balloon. I think I liked it....more
But he had not brought anything. His hands were empty, as they always had been.
Okay, so long boring sections here and there, confusing as hell because But he had not brought anything. His hands were empty, as they always had been.
Okay, so long boring sections here and there, confusing as hell because of the two planets and skipping time back and forth each chapter, but good book. It comes together nicely near the end, and that bit was very good.
RAVEN! AH RAVEN! HE'S LIKE TURNING INTO THE HOTTEST CHARACTER IN ALL OF MANGA EVER.
---- If you haven't heard yet, we finally have an Alice on the cover.RAVEN! AH RAVEN! HE'S LIKE TURNING INTO THE HOTTEST CHARACTER IN ALL OF MANGA EVER.
---- If you haven't heard yet, we finally have an Alice on the cover.
Which means that it's probably the second last volume, and the last one will have THE Alice.
Unless, we're getting more volumes past 20, in which case maybe Jun will do different covers for the last few volumes. I would like that, actually. I mean, I love the covers we have now, but to have like that last volume have all the characters on it, or no characters but something symbolic -- Jun is really good with that -- it'd be nice, you know.
So far, I'm so fucking happy and dying with how the plot is going, and how much development these characters are getting, and how brave and badass they all are. I mean, it's sad, yes, but it's Pandora Hearts, and you get used to it, but it's really good. I'm always shocked with what I get, but when I sit there for a week and think about it, I realize that it makes PERFECT sense, and that it was foreshadowed all along.
Amazing art, amazing characters, amazing plot, amazing storytelling. Jun, please, why can't I have your talent? --------------------
I haven't even read the translations yet, but this is too painful. Everything in this manga hurts. Don't read it.
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I got this volume. It's absolutely beautiful. So beautiful. ^.^
------- I don't care what you say, but Pandora Hearts has the prettiest covers and the p I got this volume. It's absolutely beautiful. So beautiful. ^.^
------- I don't care what you say, but Pandora Hearts has the prettiest covers and the prettiest characters. I don't know how she draws them.
Okay, I've been doing some staring at this cover. Click on the spoiler below to see more pretties. It's nothing spoilery.
The thing with PH covers is that Jun throws in all these clues and hints. And because the cover is so simple (but very pretty), you don't really pay attention to it. I mean, when I go back and look at the third cover, I want to slap myself for being so stupid. HOW COULD I NOT NOTICE?
This cover is just very annoying though. All I see here is red. Well, okay. Maybe because Barma's hair is red? THAT'S STUPID. THERE IS A BETTER REASON FOR SURE. The scroll... there is... umm, well, he has this obsession with information and knowledge, old and new, so that explains it. Maybe?
Then there is that book in the background. Again, knowledge? That's all I can think of. Him hiding half his face with his fan... he always does that. But it could also mean that he really is hiding something from others, which, well, everyone already knows.
All PH covers have chains. THIS one, it's not so noticeable, but it's around the hand holding the fan. WHY is it not so noticeable? And why only ONE chain?
Oh, and his clothes have feathers on them. I think I can take a guess why...
(view spoiler)[ 27/07/2012: OKAY OKAY I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS BUT I DO I CARE LOTS
Info from Ph 18.5: Elliot Nightray was born Aug. 8th.
THA (view spoiler)[ 27/07/2012: OKAY OKAY I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS BUT I DO I CARE LOTS
Info from Ph 18.5: Elliot Nightray was born Aug. 8th.
THAT'S MY BIRTHDAY ELLIOT AND ME LEOS Ljlfhkjhdfkhsdfhjdksjf fkhdsflhouewihfjsdhfldskjf kfhdslfhiwuhjkds ----- I cannot tell how much I love this cover and the character on this cover. Wait a second... His chains aren't broken either. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
----- If it hurts, you’d better forget about it. We’ll make you forget again. If it hurts too much, blame someone else.
Ah, well. Since I keep reading these chapters, might as well do a review for this volume too.
Okay, last volume, I remember when Raven went off afterAh, well. Since I keep reading these chapters, might as well do a review for this volume too.
Okay, last volume, I remember when Raven went off after Alice so she wouldn't steal meat, he left Oz with his hat.
Then when Oz found Phillipe and was later chasing after Echo, I was like, "WAIT! WHAT HAPPENED TO RAVEN'S HAT? DON'T TELL ME YOU LOST IT!" But then I thought, oh, it's just manga, not real life. He'll probably turn up in the next volume with his hat back, or another hat, like nothing ever happened to it.
Guess how this volume starts? It starts with Raven dragging off Oz and Alice to help him search for his hat. God, I love it when little things like that aren't forgotten, or later lead to something else in the story.
Raven seems to be quite attached to that hat, but we don't find out why yet.
Anyways, Alice doesn't understand why Raven's going nuts over his stupid lost hat, but Oz says that it's probably something important to him. Alice tries to eat a rat - she's always hungry, Oz tells her she can't. They hear noises and discover that Raven's hat has been taken by some guy, Raven's pissed, and about to shoot him and his buddies.
Oz intervenes and says they should settle everything with arm wrestling.
BWAHAHAH! I love it.
So, Oz goes against the guy who has Raven's hat, Raven goes against a lady, and Alice, the meat loving idiot, ends up against a big guy who... also loves to eat meat. The plan is that Oz and Raven will win - Alice won't be needed, and that way they'll get the hat back. But of course, that's not how it goes at all. Raven's not worried about going against a lady, but then Uncle Oscar shows up (because Break told him), and trades places with the lady, to go against Raven.
Because he's pathetic and sad like that, and he couldn't bring himself to hurt Oscar.
Then it's all up to Alice. She breaks the other guy's arm, they win, take the hat, and then run for it - because how the hell can you explain Alice breaking a big guy's freaking arm? (She's a Chain.) That all happens in about five or eight pages.
Oscar showing up was nice. He's such a good guy, and that kinda scares me. I mean, he always makes Raven and Oz happy - but because this is Jun, I keep thinking, what if he's up to something? WHAT IF?
Seeing Oscar with Oz and Raven, and them being all happy makes Alice a bit uncomfortable. She doesn't know much about family, friends, relatives and all that, because she's told that she's a Chain, and that she wouldn't understand. Poor thing feels hurt, and just runs off, then finds Break (and his doll, Emily), who is trying to disguise himself as a wall.
The fun starts when Break takes Alice with him to Cheshire's dimension. Or ... Cheshire takes Alice, but Break knew he would come after her, so he was there and all ready for it - pretending to be a wall. I love this guy.
I'm surprised at how popular Cheshire is as a character. He only turns up occasionally, but people love him. I think it's because he's a cat. Neko.
Oh, let's talk about Chains for a sec. Okay, so Raven's Chain is a Raven, B-Rabbit is a rabbit, Eques is a unicorn, Cheshire is a cat, but I always kept wondering, what the hell is Mad Hatter? What's Break's chain like? The scans for this online aren't the greatest, so I couldn't figure it out, and I kept looking for any art about Break's chain - without spoiling anything. But then, finally, thanks to the wonderful fans of Pandora Hearts, I found this video, and with the beautiful colorings, I now know that Mad Hatter is the coolest fucking Chain ever. Oh my god, it's so good! I made gifs too.
It's a giant hat with a hole/eyeball thingy inside, and it destroys... Chains. Yep. It's a Chain that destroys Chains... but also half kills Break...
So Karen told me to read this like, 500 years ago, and then I managed to borrow it from the library Mild spoilers here, come and have some chocolate.
So Karen told me to read this like, 500 years ago, and then I managed to borrow it from the library maybe 4 months ago, and I kept renewing it and renewing it and look, I FINALLY FINISHED IT. Leave me some of that chocolate by the way, I deserve it more than you do.
Whaaat? Then did I hate it? Is that why I want chocolate?
No no, it was uhmm… a good book. Good in a different way though. Look, all of the reviews for this have things like “weird” or “strange” or “HOW TO DESCRIBE?” or “UNREVIEWABLE” or “I JUST DON’T KNOW MAN” in them, so I’m not gonna tell you any of that.
First thing I should tell is you that it doesn’t focus on a relationship between a guy and a girl and any of that true/forbidden love. It’s about two sisters, Chloe and Ruby. And a town and a reservoir and a story Ruby tells of another drowned town full of people.
When you start reading this book, maybe think of diving into a pool of dark water at night and looking for, uhm, some small object you lost. Like a spoon. Or a cup. Or a necklace. Whatever makes you happiest or saddest. (You might see where your spoon, necklace, or cup is, you might see it shining in some light coming from god knows where, and you might reach out for it and GRAB it, but you won’t bet able to get it. So think carefully about what you want that object to be.)
There is some kind of mystery-magic involved, but it doesn’t have anything to with the main character Chloe, and it doesn’t transform or affect any of the characters. Yeah, someone DIES and someone gets a strand of white hair, someone breaks some bones, but I mean, it’s not like you’d sit there and read it and be like, yep, that girl is a ghost, yep! Or, aahh she’s a witch! VAMPIRE THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY! MERMAID! BANSHEE! FUCKING HELL WHY IS THAT THING ALIVE? ZOMBIE! WHY AREN’T THEY RUNNING?
But then it’s not very scary. Not to me, anyways. It just plays with you, you might feel some danger, but you won’t know where it’s coming from, and soon you’ll start to notice that Chloe is a very unreliable narrator. She’ll tell you something, and then she’ll talk about it again later and she’ll word it in a way that makes it sound as though it’s just, I don’t know, metaphorical maybe, or as if she hadn’t finished what she was saying earlier and now she’s making it clear. Except, I think, she won’t be making it clear, just very unclear and hiding her true emotions and fears behind it. I’m not sure if Suma intended it to be like that, but I think it worked. I don’t think I would’ve written it like this, but I can nod and say that it’s clever.
Full review with Owen and Chloe and Ruby and what I thought could've been a little different here: ...more
Update: Crap, I lost my chapter 1 and 2 nitpicks. I'm so sorry, I took off the links now. If I go back to this book, I'll post them again. I don't kno Update: Crap, I lost my chapter 1 and 2 nitpicks. I'm so sorry, I took off the links now. If I go back to this book, I'll post them again. I don't know. -----
This is going to be a slow, long read. Thank you to Persephone for giving me a copy.
---- It is time to explain why Clare's characters and story don't make sense, and I know I'm only 10% through the book, but this is important, because I will forget about it later.
All right, so far, Tessa gets off the ship and then these two ladies are like, “Hey whatsup, we know your brother Nate! He told us to pick you up! Here, a letter from him! Okay, you believe us now, right? Yay, let's go!”
And then six weeks later, we get Tessa locked up in a small room, and Clare lets us know that Tessa is ordinary and plain like Jane Eyre and how her brother Nate is beautiful like her mother--
Whatever. Long descriptions and self pity and stuff. But the two ladies (Dark Sisters) are using her to do... some changing. She takes items that belong to other people, and then she changes into them, so she can... tell the Sisters their history? Something like that.
I'll use quotes here to explain:
“she sat each night and wrote letters to her brother—letters she knew she could never send ... It was her way of keeping a diary and of assuring herself, somehow, that she would see Nate again someday....”
“At that thought her heart seemed to shrink inside her chest. Nate. He was the one she was doing all this for, but sometimes she missed him so much it felt like she’d swallowed broken glass.”
“They had told her that, the Dark Sisters, had told her that they had Nate, and if she didn’t do what they said, he would die”
(my favourite one AHAHAHAH omg)
“They’d showed her his ring, the one that had been her father’s—stained with blood now—to prove it. They hadn’t let her hold it or touch it, had snatched it back as she’d reached for it, but she’d recognized it. It was Nate’s. After that she had done everything they’d asked.”
(I'm gonna skip the part where Clare uses the Dark Sisters talking to each other right in front of Tessa about everything – infodump, Clare. And not just that, it's her way of making her readers think, “Oooh, isn't this all MYSTERIOUS?”)
“Indeed,” agreed her sister. “She does realize, doesn’t she, what will happen to her brother if she tries to disobey us again? We might be willing to be lenient this time, but the next ...” She hissed through her teeth, a sound that made the hairs rise up on the back of Tessa’s neck. “Nathaniel will not be so fortunate.” (Well, looks like I couldn't skip it all. Here's some of that.)
”[Magister] wants you healthy and intact. If he didn’t, I’d have you beaten bloody. If you dare disobey us again, I’ll defy his wishes and have you whipped until your skin peels off. Do you understand?”
So I hope that makes it clear. Everything that Tessa is doing now is because her brother Nate is kept somewhere by the Sisters, and they would kill him if she didn't obey. Also, that they seem to want her alive because they need her for her talent, and they are going to marry her off to the Magister.
(Again, I'm gonna skip some parts where Tessa in the middle of all her panic sees Will, the main character (who flirts the entire time), and they start chatting like as though they're NOT being chased by demons, and how she stares at him because he's so beautiful~)
Anyways, Tessa manages to sort of run away with Will, and the Dark Sisters find her.
“Little Miss Gray,” she said. “You ought to know better than to run. We told you what would happen if you ran again... .” “Then do it! Whip me bloody. Kill me. I don’t care!” Tessa shouted, and was gratified to see that the Dark Sisters looked at least a little taken aback by her outburst; she’d been too terrified to raise her voice to them before. “I won’t let you give me to the Magister! I’d rather die!”
This is where I facepalmed.
Clare, your attempt at making Tessa look brave just looks stupid. The whole time we're told about Nate, and how Tessa is being threatened, and how much Tessa misses Nate, and you tell us – or make the Dark Sisters tell us, because you don't know how to show -- that the Sisters are NOT going to kill Tessa.
So... Tessa screaming that she's doesn't care if she dies is ... very dumb. Because it didn't look like it was dying that scared her before. And if you say, oh, her finding out that the Magister is going to marry her makes a difference! Haha, no, that doesn't work either, because Tessa thinks of what the Magister would be like, and how he might give her everything, how she might even make him punish the Dark Sisters.
The Sisters TOLD her that if she married the Magister, her brother would be FREE.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY WOULD SHE SCREAM ABOUT DYING WHEN IT'S HER BROTHER'S DEATH SHE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT? She didn't stop thinking about him once, and now because Will the handsome hero is here, it's very important for her to scream bravely about death, right?
I wonder how different this book would've been if it had included something about the internet... Maybe not that different, because a lot of what McLuI wonder how different this book would've been if it had included something about the internet... Maybe not that different, because a lot of what McLuhan has said can be applied to it, but you know, just wondering...
I'm not sure if everyone agrees, but I think the internet has somewhat taken over the 'TV' or 'Visual Media' part now. It's there, of course, but the internet provides all of that for you too. We're still a global village, but maybe... a tighter, faster, and more far reaching one now?
I think if I had read this all in one sitting, I would've taken a lot more from it. I know I'll go over it again before end of the semester, so it's all good. ...more
Update after 2nd read: I want to say meh, but that wouldn't be fair. I don't like it any better though... let me think about this a little, okay? /falUpdate after 2nd read: I want to say meh, but that wouldn't be fair. I don't like it any better though... let me think about this a little, okay? /falls asleep
25/03/2013: Reading this again, now that I know a bit more about dystopia/critical dystopia and what Moore was trying to do. Let's see if I change my mind about this!
17/1/2012: I've decided to change this from 3 to 3.7 Yes, now I don't feel so bad.
Spoilers and babies coming. You've been warned.
I had to think about this one for some time.
Maybe I missed something. Maybe I just need to think a bit more.
Even now, I really don’t know why I rated it 3 stars. Why not 4? No, why not 5?
When I started, I’m sure you can tell from my status updates, that I really liked it. Really liked it? No, it was more like, HEHEEHEE THIS IS GOOD, NO I'M FINE IT'S JUST GOOD!
That happens sometimes when you read too many crappy books, so when you get an actual book in your hands, you go over the moon.
I spent most of the day reading, and then somewhere around ¾ through, I didn’t feel any excitement.
So I went to bed.
Next day, I kept telling myself to finish reading it, but I kept putting it off. When I finally got around to it, there was nothing new. It was the same as the day before.
Was I reading it wrong? Maybe I wasn't in the mood.
Then it ended, and I was like:
I think my problem lies with V.
Yeah, he's great, he's awesome, but we’re never told who he is.
So from beginning to end, we’re supposed to side with this smiling masked-man, we’re supposed to believe that he’s doing the right thing, and then we never even know who he is? Or why he’s doing it? What makes him think his way is right, and why should everyone follow what he does?
I could’ve accepted it, and just went with the fact that he’s just proposing an idea that might work better, but after that certain incident with Evey... no.
(view spoiler)[You take an innocent lady, throw her behind bars, shave her head, torture her to no ends, just to see if she can be trustworthy? She spent six months in there – or maybe more – and in the end, all he has to say is that he showed her how to be free. That’s how he got his freedom, so it’s only right that Evey should get the same treatment and discover what freedom feels like. (hide spoiler)]
Who the hell is he to do that and get away with it? What gives him the right to say that his idea of freedom is correct, and everyone else is wrong? You’d think after having such an effect on the government and the people, we’d find out what makes him so brilliant, but no, in the end, he’s just some guy behind a mask, and that’s it. What the hell? (view spoiler)[Then Evey puts on the mask and goes on following his ways, because... because... he’s right and everyone else is stupid and doesn’t know any better? Come on! Give me a better reason, dammit! (hide spoiler)]
I felt like there were no characters here. First it was V, but in the end, he’s just nothing, so he doesn’t count. Evey was human at some point, but then she was purified by V the magnificent, so she doesn’t count. Then there was that other character, the detective, who also ended up getting the freedom as V saw it, and that I didn’t understand, so he doesn’t count either.
There was also a man, and another man, and a woman, and another woman, and some other men, and ... yeah, seriously, I felt no connection to them whatsoever. None.
The only one that I liked was the doctor from Larkhill camp, Delia. She felt like an actual person. (view spoiler)[But she dies early, so bubye, actual character. (hide spoiler)]
Don't get me wrong, this is good, and V is likable. There were some really good parts, so it’s definitely worth reading.
I’m just a little mad. It started out so good, and then it dissolved into... nothing. Maybe there's a meaning behind it. Hey, if anyone can explain this to me, please do.
Okay, I don't know if you know this, but I really, really like fairy tales. Not the happy princess/prince kind, butArgh, I forgot I was reading this.
Okay, I don't know if you know this, but I really, really like fairy tales. Not the happy princess/prince kind, but the ones that have a deep message behind them. I love it when they have something dark, creepy, and completely bizarre and crazy in them. It just makes them so magical. They're like a happy dream that can turn into a nightmare any second.
Okay, from what I read, there were a few that I really enjoyed. The problem is that... I don't remember which ones they were. I don't remember where I left off either... so... um... yeah, that sucks.
I'll probably pick it up again someday and end up finishing it - but until then, I give this a 3.5. Just for now. ...more
Hehe. Do you see what I did with my tags shelves? Uhm, don't know if I'll ever pick it up again. Austen, you're not bad and quite funny sometimes, butHehe. Do you see what I did with my tags shelves? Uhm, don't know if I'll ever pick it up again. Austen, you're not bad and quite funny sometimes, but... too long. Too long. Especially when all that happens is two people falling in love.
What? There's more than that? There's family and sisters and Wickham and-- I'm sorry. I just couldn't. Care.
HA, we're reading this for ANOTHER class. All right, all right. I know I said I'll write a review, but I never did it the two times I read this. ThisHA, we're reading this for ANOTHER class. All right, all right. I know I said I'll write a review, but I never did it the two times I read this. This will be the third time, and I WILL GET THAT REVIEW DONE. YOU CAN TAKE AWAY ALL MY CHOCOLATE IF I DON'T DO IT. You have my permission.
I've wanted to write a detailed review for this since I first read it, but just never got around to it. This year though, we're studying it in another class, so hopefully, I'll have a review done after that.
Anyways, I'd give this 5 stars for characters and plot, if not for the role of women. I remember it being very ugly. I think every time a woman popped up in the story, whether it was a mother, a neighbor, someone on the street, a wife -- it had something to do with emotions or sex.