So this book kicked hella amounts of ass. We've got Steampunk, Paranormal, Alternative History, Science Fiction, and Mystery all crammed together into...moreSo this book kicked hella amounts of ass. We've got Steampunk, Paranormal, Alternative History, Science Fiction, and Mystery all crammed together into one big smacking pule of awesomeness.
Seriously, people. Very rarely do non-standard adventure romances pull me into a story, because mostly, and sadly, they bore me. Often I'll get very bored, very quickly, with romance-ish books; either make it a romance, or make it something else is my mentality. However, I gotta say, Gail Carriager is just a phenomenally damn good writer.
The characters were, in a word, sublime. Outside of just a likable, realistically relatable leading woman, Alexia, we have an interesting hero, Lord Maccon, who functions, initially, more as a secondary protagonist. Added to that is the rather fascinating Lord Lycon, the irrestiably compelling Lord Akeldama, and the craptastic mother and half-sisters to Alexia. Every character that arrived on-page, from the predominate individuals of the story, to the supposedly disposable antagonists and background characters had presence in this book. Every single one of them felt believable, realistic, and lifelike. Holy crap on a cracker, did they ever!
The plotting of this book took a little while to attain momentum, but I'm more of the mindset this slow build was done with intent, better to acquaint the readers with the cast, and Alexia, specifically. Despite that, once the ball got rolling, I was hooked. Even though the reading time for this novel was a bit longer than my standard, I was still amazingly engaged with the plot. I find it interesting how the actual events of the story line are paced within the context of the book. Some might say "rushed," and while I can see that argument, I think it felt more realistic as a result.
While it may seem redundant, I have to admit I was astonishingly impressed with the quality of writing this book contained within. Gail Carriger mastered the art of picturesque detail, when appropriate. The scenes were painted in fine consideration, when necessary, and left to the readers imagination when not. The dialogue, likewise, was snappy when appropriate, informative when needed, and always fluid and relevant. The pacing of the book, as a whole, was almost geniusly constructed, so much so that I doubt there is one single purposeless scene in the book.
Very rarely do I proclaim that a book can have everything a reader could ever want within, but Soulless unquestionably proved me wrong. This book could entertain just about any literate person on the planet, I believe. I am absolutely going to be seeing to the rest of the series, and I only pray the subsequent books carry the same amount of entertainment quality as Soulless.(less)
Sadly, despite being an alt pick for September's Vaginal Fantasy, this book was an Epic Fail in every context of the word. Ironicall...morePages Survived: 83
Sadly, despite being an alt pick for September's Vaginal Fantasy, this book was an Epic Fail in every context of the word. Ironically, it's fail-ness was more upfront and not entirely a shocker, but still a disappointment so big, it hurt my face.
Most people know from jump that a shifter romance story with a dinosaur as the hero lead probably isn't going to hold up well as a realistically "good" piece of fiction. Truthfully, this isn't my biggest problem with Eternal Pleasure. I can handle off-the-wall weirdness, and odd-ball book realities. I can handle a novel that doesn't take itself too seriously (even though this one so did, and shouldn't have.) I like humor, and drama. I don't, however, like paper-thin characters.
The worst element to this book is, unquestionably, the lack of reader connectivity available with the two leads. Granted, while my sorry-ass only lasted 83 pages, I still maintain that good characters can jump at you within the first sentence of a book, or at least make headway into said jumping within that time-frame. Kelly and Ty were so not-on-page for me that I literally felt like I was slugging through words, and THAT does not for a good book make.
But! What's worse than paper-thin characters? Plot. Specifically, when there's SO much plot that it pushes out any room for character personality, development, or interaction. I don't mind a busy story with lots happening, but when I'm 80 something pages into a book and feel like I literally only met Character A and Character B two paragraphs ago, I'm done.
Add those two negatives with the fact that Bangs' book is abhorrently weak in the world building department, even considering my early stopping point, along with the illogical "Hi, Character X, who are...oh, wait, where you going?" writing device was used, and my brain practically spun into a tizzy. Characters were coming out of Santa's ass and MacArthur's pipe with little to no relevance, introduction, or presence. Something about werewolves, and good vampires. Or, bad vampires? Or ghost dinos? I don't know.
I guess, fundamentally, my issue is the fact that the book had the makings of a parody-style lite PNR, but took itself in so-not-that-light that I was just done. So, in conclusion? This one's a big honkin' no-go for me, thanks.(less)
This book is complicated, not so much in its essence, but more in my reflection. Overall, I liked the book (...more(Smuttastic Coven Group Read: August 2012)
This book is complicated, not so much in its essence, but more in my reflection. Overall, I liked the book (I think)...but holy crap on a cracker, it has some problems.
The novel's plot was pretty cut-and-paste of most standard fiction tropes; crazy powerful bad guy hunting down the innocent heroine. The antagonist of the story, ironically, shared a lot in common with the protagonists...Shocking, right? This statement finds itself more along the lines of Author's Fault rather than the actual development of the story. Frankly, while the book was decent, it was painfully obvious that absolutely no character development took place over the course of Crux...with ANY of the characters.
Jackson was likable. Mackenzie was likable. All the secondary cast of characters were likable. Sadly, that's the problem. From Prologue to Epilogue nothing stronger than outside influences affected the characters. There was, truly, almost a poignant lack of internal conflict, both with the characters independently of one another, as well as in the context of being a couple. Neither character experienced growth, nor loss, nor difficulty. This, I feel, is largely why the climax of the book felt so disappointing. So much buildup and drama was established in Getting The Bad Guy that, when said scene arrived, it very much felt as a Wham-Bam-Thank-You-Ma'am deal.
Ironically, while both the plot and characters were mediocre in their quality, the pacing of the novel was very well executed. At no time did any particular scene feel exasperatedly drawn out, even when considering the book's story-type parameters. The writing was tight and fluid, and this made for true reading enjoyment. When an author can utilize good technical skills in making a story flow well, even in spite of some tremendous pitfalls to their work of fiction, color me impressed.
Lastly, my final complaint against this book deals more towards its romantic elements, and yet still circulates back to my original Big Problem with Crux. As noted before, this novel bites big ass in character development, as well as characterization. Sadly, while there was nothing specifically wrong with Jackson and Mackenzie, their lack of on-page presence and personality made them, sadly, very unimpressive to read. These two were easily forgettable, and this could be why I found their romance to be uninteresting, and a total failure in being believable. I doubt very much if ever there was a literary couple with as little chemistry and fire as Jackson and Mackenzie. In truth, I found more heat and spark between Mackenzie and another minor character of Crux than I did with the hero...and this is saying something, since I'm betting said minor character wasn't even heterosexual!
However...the book wasn't a total loss. Overall, I have to say I'm wavering perpetually between a 2 and 3 star ranking. (I've even changed it three times back and forth since writing this review.) On the one hand, I sailed right through the book, and found myself engrossed in the story. On the other hand, that engrossment did not achieve a good payoff, since frankly, the book is easily forgettable. I both liked it, and thought it was okay.(less)
Well...okay, this book is great! Yet, it's also not, BUT IT'S ALSO SO DAMN GOOD! And, at the same time, it's not good. Makes sense, right?
Basically what I'm trying to say, and failing shittastically at doing so, is that a book can be awesome in one respect, and downright homicidal-inducing in another. At the end of the day, when the final chapter of this particular shindig closes, do I recommend this book in the general sense that it's a great read? Abso-fucking-lutely! Do I consider this to be a genuinely good romance novel, paranormal or otherwise?
Suffice it to say that, as a romance with believable chemistry and genuine emotional undertones between its couple, Immortal Rider really deserves an iron skillet to the keyboard. Why? Well, a lot of reasons, all of which link right the hell back to some of this book's biggest problems. The first; the lead characters.
Limos, our heroine. Bad ass? Check. Immortal warrior? Check. Horsewoman/brigger of the Apocalypse? Check. All are ingredients in her characterization manifesto...and all are complete and utter bullshit. Of the worst craptastic realities within this book, Limos takes top billing. She is unquestionably our novel's weakest link in that she serves as a lot of emotional fodder, but not much else. Limos is almost entirely pointless in the way of being actively ineffective within the book. She's just kind of there, which is admittedly the biggest effing joke considering she's a friggin' Horsewoman of the Apocalypse. Um, hello? HORSEWOMAN! Can we not do more with her, please? *Cue sigh.* But, to be fair, this ball-dropping probably isn't her fault. So, where does the fault lay, you ask?
Yep, you guessed right...it's the plot's fault. Immortal Rider has that in spades; the book plots out the ever lovin' ass. So much story is EVERYWHERE! And, even though the secondary conflicts run amok like an ADHD kid crackin' out on a sugar rush, surprisingly the chaos and drama work. There's torture scenes, and hardcore evil antagonists, and freaky-creepy monsters and demons, and betrayal and subterfuge and smexy times. Lots of things happening in lots of places, and shockingly pretty damn entertaining! The pacing of this book is quick, constantly dramatic, and makes for some hella fun enjoyment.
...Except sadly it all kind of falls flat on its face. The novel is a lot like a roller coaster. Both are exciting all throughout one's experience with them, both never inspire boredom, both have serious heart-pounding dramatic high points, and both kind of just suddenly stop at a screeching hault. While the book's plot doesn't have one centralized conflict, and sort of merely meanders about from point to point, it's still very readable, even though it does end somewhat abruptly with no real resolution.
As I noted, there's a LOT of plot, which sadly shoves itself in between Limos and our hero, Arik, in a hugely rude-ass way. As a result, we're given zero time for emotional or believable romantic development between these two characters. Thusly, as a romance, Immortal Rider sucks ass in that department, and as a standalone novel it kind of fails pretty hard, too. So, you might be asking yourself with all these criticisms I've lodged against the novel, why did I rank the novel so high? Or, more succinctly, you might wondering...
I'm not a whackadoodle, I swear. I really did genuinely enjoy this book, just for reasons I probably shouldn't as a standard rule. What the hell am I talking about? Simple; the secondary cast of characters.
Holy baby Jesus, guys; the supporting cast in this book is all of the amazing! The amount of detail, characterization, time and attention paid to our not-main-book-people is the reason your face needs to be eyeball-deep in this novel, PDQ. Even though my brain totally recognizes that all the on-page effort given to Regan, the badass human female warrior, Harvester, the hella fascinating evil angel, Reaver, the bad-boy-turned-good, and Than, the seriously emo-tastic Death-on-a-cracker...even though I recognize that all said effort proves Immortal Rider is really nothing but a prequel novel to Book 3, I DON'T CARE!
Yes Limos and Arik's romance feels hella rushed, yes the story of this book feels limited and unresolved, yes there's a metric shit-ton happening within the universe, and yes, Immoral Rider is indeed nothing more than series fodder, but read this thing anyway, dammit! As bland as Limos is, that's how fascinatingly dynamic Regan's character is, as lackluster as the chemistry between our lead couple might be, that's how explosive Reaver and Harvester's scenes read, and as dull as the "will our heroine's secret be revealed/is our lead hero gonna die" leading plot point might be, that's how epic the secondary End Of The World evil master plan culminating in the background scenes is, seriously!
Basically the takeaway is just do this book; do it right now!
Very, very rarely do I read books that fall dead center of the love-hate scale, yet surprisingly Singh's Angels' Blood did just that. I didn't absolut...moreVery, very rarely do I read books that fall dead center of the love-hate scale, yet surprisingly Singh's Angels' Blood did just that. I didn't absolutely love it, nor did I dislike or hate it: simply put, I liked it.
The book in and of itself had a lot of things going for it. Firstly, I adored the heroine, Elena. Without question, she is a very reliable, likable warrior woman who has a strong sense of self. She's moral to the very core of her soul, but she isn't the least bit boring, either. There were many moments with Elena that caused me to feel visceral sensations. With her, I was able to experience the gamut of emotions with her personality. I smiled, sympathized, and laughed. Simply put, I loved her!
Raphael, however, is another story. On the one hand, I think because he is an archangel, a creature that has distinctive powers and presence in this particular book, connecting with him is almost impossible. Unlike Elena, who is essentially completely human, his character was almost nondescript at times. His very nature and being doesn't leave a lot of room for a personality. Because of this, the romantic story between Elena and Raphael was extremely weak. In truth, such felt almost spastic since the dynamic between the two characters ran either hot or cold. And, more to the point, such hot/cold aspect dealt only with the physical aspect of their relationship. By the end of the book, I didn't think Elena or Raphael truly felt for one another, despite the their mutual declaration of love.
The chemistry between these two characters, however, was amazing! I loved that Signh put a lot of initial focus into the allure and draw of not just archangels/angels, but the vampires of her story as well. Still, even with the sparks, I almost felt that the romantic emotional story of Elena and Raphael was lost in the mix of the foreground plot.
The basic storyline, though, was fascinating! I loved the concept of a powerful angel going not just rogue - but dark side rouge. The darkness of the antagonist, Uram, was definitely intense in this story, and I adored it! There was a morbid quality to Uram that was terrifying to the point that it left the reader no question as to the necessity of his required execution. As a result, I was never left wondering "what's the big deal?" as I so often am with the classic bad-guy-on-the-loose plot device.
I can't say, however, that I'm a huge fan of Signh's particular writing style. The pace of the novel felt rather off kilter, with a good chunk of the book seeming like excessive exposition leading up to a rather long, drawn out climax. Still, the intense battle scene at the end of the book between Uram and Raphael was fantastically written! I loved the gritty texture to the scene, and Raphael's actions, both during the battle sequence and after, were what allowed me to not walk away feeling completely numb as to his character.
In addition, I also found myself greatly intrigued by the secondary characters, as well. Sara, Elena's friend, was a force to be reckoned with, despite being a subcharacter. Ransom, another friend of Elena, also carried an impacting presence in the book for me. Likewise, some of the angels and vampires, such as Illium and Dmitri respectively, were intensely interesting.
Lastly, while I do have some unanswered questions and a tad bit of vague confusion, I wasn't disappointed by the world building within Angels' Blood. Signh has impressed me, truly, with her level of creativity in utilizing the angelic myth to explain that of the vamperic one. (less)
Read: January 29th - May 8th, 2014 Read: July 25th - 26th, 2011 Read: January 24th - 25th, 2009 Read: November 2008 Read: May 2007 Read: January 24th - 26t...more
Read: January 29th - May 8th, 2014 Read: July 25th - 26th, 2011 Read: January 24th - 25th, 2009 Read: November 2008 Read: May 2007 Read: January 24th - 26th, 2005
If you were to conduct an internet search of every possible synonym for the phrase "flim-flammingly awesome," even THAT couldn't accurately and adequately convey the level of damn-good-epicness Seize the Night contains. This book has literally everything you could ever wantneed fucking demand in a story. Incidentally, I get the whole "everybody likes their own thing" shtick, but I'm fake-sorry; if you don't like this novel then we can't be friends. I'm kidding...sort of. No I'm not.
My being a terrible person aside, I'm not exaggerating when I say this book has everything you could possibly desire in a work of fiction. How, you might ask? Okay, so, quick run down; imagine if this character...
and this character...
...hooked up. Congratulations, you just imagined a good chunk of this novel's premise. We've got Tabitha, a bad-ass Buffy-type human heroine who fights immortal assholes, and Valerius, a regal, Darcy-eqsue immortal good-guy who's an outcast in his own society. Why? Because history. "But Jacqueline! You said this novel has everything! That doesn't sound like a very promising premise for 'everything!'" Okay, you hypothetical critic, how about a murderous vengeful ghost on the hunt for a human body so he can be corporally touchy-feely evil again? How about a goddess, plotting to kill off humanity because murder is her hobby? How about an entire race of super-skilled, super-bloodthirsty ancient warriors murdering New Orleans apart? How about a cast of characters so chock full of personality you want to tackle-hug them until they spontaneously become real? How about a dead-body-count that's the fictional equivalent of George RR Martin and Robert Kirkman having a baby together?
And dude, I haven't even covered the tip of the iceberg on this sucker. The characters in this story, from our two main made-of-awesome leads Tabitha and Valerius, to even the seemingly "throw-away-butler" and the "transvestite best friend" are all characters so nuanced, so realistically and three-dimensionally portrayed that I can't do words to explain their amazingness. These fictional people are an experience, one that will keep you hooked like a nymphomaniac at a stripper bar.
And, if the awesomely well written characters weren't enough, this novel just happens to contain some of the singularly best world building you will ever encounter! The seemingly simplistic "evil dead-guy-ghost revenge storyline" of just one of this book's antagonists becomes intricately woven into the fabric of this book's universe. The plot skyrockets into an adventure thrill-ride. When it's not busy keeping you salivating during the emotionally heart-wrenching, euphoria-inducing emo-feels of Tabitha and Valerius' relationship, you're instead biting your nails in fear of who's gonna get dead next.
I've said this before in countless other Sherrilyn Kenyon novel reviews, but screw it, I'm gonna say it again because redundancy is my thing. You wanna laugh your ass off to the point that you require oxygen-breaks? This book is for you. You want badass fight scenes that are technical, lighting quick, bloody, and believably hardcore? This book is for you. What's more, the love story and sheer unadulterated emotional places the writing takes you to make a Jane Austen novel look like an Ikea furniture-assembly instruction manual. The pacing, the structure and flowability of the story with its emotional text and subtext is just...my God, I can't even! Basically what I'm trying to explain in my classic, shittastically-executed manner is that Sherrilyn Kenyon is a writing goddess, and you need Seize the Night on your bookshelf, like now dammit.
Read: May 9th - 14th, 2014 Read: July 25th - 26th, 2011 Read: March 28th - 29th, 2010 Read: January 26th, 2009 Read: November 2008 Read: May 2007 Read: Febr...more
Read: May 9th - 14th, 2014 Read: July 25th - 26th, 2011 Read: March 28th - 29th, 2010 Read: January 26th, 2009 Read: November 2008 Read: May 2007 Read: February 1st - 5th, 2005
Book status: It's complicated.
Some novels you freakout-fangirl-flail over, some you want to violently cram into a paper shredder and some...some you don't know how the frack you feel. This book hella-epically falls under that third category. Okay, so, quick run down, Sins of the Night by Sherrilyn Kenyon; a paranormal urban fantasy romance set in modern day Mississippi about Dangereuse St. Richard, a Dark-Huntress of the night, and Alexion, a cursed "other being" who's judge, jury, and executioner come to stop an uprising of treachery and mutiny in the Dark-Hunter universe. Throw in the devious ass-faced antagonist, Stryker, spreading lies and causing chaos for our plot, and you've got lots of subsequent shit's-about-to-get-real drama.
Both the storyline and the characters within this book be made of awesome-sauce. One the one hand, you've got some pretty damn spectacular plot conflict that is ginormously internally driven. Themes such as trust in one's leader as well as various other inwardly focused ideologies like loyalty and friendship are all over this book like a case study in feels. On the other hand, we've also got some external conflicts running amok, namely battle sequences that culminate at the novel's end in one epic bloodbath. (Bloodbaths are fun.)
As I said, the characters of this book are equal parts believable, hilarious, tortured, and holy-damn-let-me-hug-you. Danger, as our heroine, is a fully fleshed-out rocking woman with some serious agency in this novel. She is comedic, sarcastic, and a total friggin' badass warrior. Alexion, likewise, is a dude with some serious presence on page. He's adorable and tortured and terrifying. The dude can kill with his pinky, and Danger makes The Black Widow look like a helpless Bond girl. So, with all that said awesome-sauce for plot and double-awesome-sauce for character, why the hell did I say this book left me with complicated feels?
...Because I'm apparently a picky-ass. Basically the love story of this "romance" kind of went sailing right over my head and didn't even have the decency to give me a look-back. This complaint is, like, literally the most insane reality possible. Sherrilyn Kenyon writes romance in a way that makes other genre authors sit up and pant. Add in the fact the story spends an intense number of scenes with just Danger and Alexion building their relationship and mutual I-want-in-your-pants-and-in-your-heart, and my "I'm-not-feeling-it" for the romance is all of the what-the-fuckery!? Astoundingly, I might go so far as to say our two leads lack all that much on-page chemistry. Which is bananas!
Why is it bananas? Because both characters have beautifully adorable dialogue and wittily cute banter, that's why! They are dynamic people on their own crackalicious merit, their pairing feels both natural and smexy, but holy-Hitler's-anus THERE IS NO SPARK! I don't know, maybe I'm just a whackadoodle, and most likely that's the case. Still, even without this indescribable lacking of...something...the book still reads so flim-flamming excellently! The twists and turns Sins of the Night takes in regards to unexpected plot shenanigans, the utilization of face-cracking hilarious secondary characters, the drama and action, not to mention the two very likeable, very dynamic and interesting hero and heroine make this book all of the win.
All ye reading this, listen! Sherrilyn Kenyon is a master at weaving together a uniquely balanced mixture of dark emotion and gut-splitting comedy. The world she creates utilizing Greek mythology, interweaving history with modernity, is as rich in distinct diversity as it is badass, bloody, and emotastic. Her characters are real people, dammit, and you won't ever convince my ass otherwise. Such holds true for all her books, and Sins of the Night rocks these realities with the best of them. So, please, ignore my previous brief bout with insanity about character chemistry or some such drivel, and go read this novel; you'll thank me for it later.
Read: October 22, 2013 – October 25, 2013 Read: July 19, 2010 Read: January 15, 2009 – January 17, 2009 Read: November 2008 Read: April 2007 Read: January...more
Read: October 22, 2013 – October 25, 2013 Read: July 19, 2010 Read: January 15, 2009 – January 17, 2009 Read: November 2008 Read: April 2007 Read: January 1, 2005
Love, pain, loss, blessings, death, reunion, sacrifice, torture, happiness, parenthood, responsibility, darkness, evil, honor, goodness, determination, and redemption are just an itsy-bitsy list of the themes with which Night Embrace is gonna rock your world. You're gonna laugh, you're gonna cry, you're gonna face-scream and applause pretty much throughout the entirety of this awesome behemoth. Put simply, Bilbo had it right - this book's gonna adventure you so hardcore. And, this loveliness starts, of course, with Talon of the Morrigantes.
Basically, he's the epitome of a bad-ass. A Celtic bad-ass, even. However, in my not so important opinion, while I adore Talon (because c'mon, how could you not?) I find his back-story, while heart breaking, less so in comparison to other tragic Dark-Hunter stories. Mind you, this could be my being a picky-ass, but Talon's personal tragedies were often brought about by his own choices. These choices, and while understandable, put a distance in my adoration of him. I fully admit, though, that my wanting to slap him upside the head with a crowbar, on occasion, did contribute to making him a fleshed out character.
(*Grins.*) Joking aside, Talon is unique among the DH boys for, while scrumptious and tortured, he frequently allows his emotions to get the better of him, thus making him seem more human than any other Dark-Hunter. I like Tally, but there exists an element that makes me want to throttle him right before I hug him. Still, while bodaciously adorable and likeable, it's Talon's sense of humor that wins him All Of The Loves. His dynamic with Nick, Acheron, fellow Dark-Hunters, hell, even with frenemies like Zarek, will undoubtedly leave your face muscles aching from laughter. Of course, speaking of laughter, we can't neglect Sunshine Runningwolf.
Yep. I admit it; I totally love her with much love. Of all the heroines that could be written, she is the single most memorable. Without question this girl struts on the page with bucket-loads of personality that grab you be the shirt and ask, "Who IS this chick?" A flibbertigibbet artist who is unquestionably a refugee from a hippie camp, what makes Sunny so adorable is, yes, her forgetfulness, yes, her love of life, but most importantly her heart. While Talon is her antithesis in the small things, the two share a kindness for others that is remarkable, and down right adorable.
Oh, by the way, did I mention the plot?! Holy-crap-stick, THE PLOT! This baby comes in at a whopping 408 pages, and that's a bit long for a standard mass market paperback, but trust that this sucker doesn't lag. We've got pissed off gods, renegade Dark-Hunters, an "let's-avoid-the-apocalypse" story line, not to mention a most excellent cast of supporting characters. Interestingly, while the plot does take a backseat to the romantic buildup and relationship of Talon and Sunshine (we'll get to that in a minute, friends), when this sucker arrives for the climax, it busts onto the scene with TNT. The surrounding plot threads make this book unquestionably fun, mind-blowing, and definitely worth the read. As for the actual romance between Talon and Sunshine? Well...
I know, I know! (*Ducks behind couch to avoid the rotten tomatoes.*) Sadly, I'm not really in the Fangirl Camp for these two awesome characters. Oh, don't get me wrong, I love them as characters, and while I do believe the HEA at the end, I never really felt the connectivity between them as their story was unfolding. I think this stems largely from the soul mate aspect (you'll see when you read), but because of this it made their romance difficult for me. I still heart them, I did love the book, and I enjoyed Talon and Sunshine interacting, but as for the love-story itself? Gotta say no. The book kicks copious ass, even outside the lovey-dovey element, if for no other reason than climax, the supporting cast, and the universe around Talon and Sunshine. These elements make this book so frakking good.
You request it, Night Embrace, and you damned sure get it.(less)