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How much a part of your practice is shamanic journeying?

I've yet to journey, but intend to try it eventually.
 
  20 votes, 33.3%

Shamanic journeying has never been part of my practice.
 
  14 votes, 23.3%

I journey occasionally.
 
  14 votes, 23.3%

I tried it but have discontinued.
 
  6 votes, 10.0%

An important part - I journey on a regular basis.
 
  6 votes, 10.0%


Poll added by: Nell



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message 1: by Sara (new)

Sara This is an interesting poll, Nell. I'm looking forward to seeing the results from this group. At the moment, I'm the only one who has this as a regular part of my practice. I do hope there are others.


message 2: by Nell (new)

Nell Grey Sara, I'm looking forward to seeing the results too. I'm really just beginning (very tentatively), after thinking about it for a long, long time, which is why I voted for 'occasionally.' I think I can see it becoming a regular, but not frequent part of my practice.


message 3: by Kendra (new)

Kendra There are others, Sara! :-) I've been practicing for 17 years now, and lucid has been heavily part of it. Times of stress, there's less journeying, but it never totally goes away.

Interesting poll, Nell!


message 4: by Ruby (new)

Ruby Hollyberry Kind of in between. I'm not in a overtly shamanic phase right now but I have been and no doubt will be again. I'm not sure if what I do is technically shamanic journeying by a general description though. Is this a Harner-esque "core" type of thing you're asking about? I haven't studied core. I'm more classic type, but not full-blown shaman, just a practitioner. I've done "trips to la-la land" which are more like subconscious exploration, "stepping through the gates" visiting the realms of the 8 directions, and I've been seized with brief, extremely high fevers which allow certain gods to talk with me more directly than is usually possible with my generally very healthy body. And there have been some experiences that were unique and I haven't classified them. I generally don't deal a lot with the dead or go really "far" away into afterlife type places, not like some folks I've known.


message 5: by [deleted user] (new)

Not sure about my answer, Nell, so I haven't voted. I haven't done any shamanic journeying, but listening to a friend's description of her experiences, it sounds like my experience with hypnosis.


message 6: by Nell (new)

Nell Grey Thanks for the comments everyone - lots to think about here.

Ruby, I was thinking of journeying in a broad sense, which could cover different levels of trance and journey from daydream to very deep - intention being more important than amazing results.

Gina - not sure about hypnosis. The journeying is for a reason and to obtain an answer, but you're being guided by a practitioner rather than being one.

Any thoughts, anyone?


message 7: by Sara (new)

Sara Yes Nell, I agree that there are many types of altered states that can be included in a broad definition of journeying. It doesn't have to be the "traditional" methodology of drum and rattle. I think dreaming, lucid dreaming, daydreaming, trance states, deep meditative states, and even drug-induced states (think of indigenous use of plants such as ayahuasca)qualify.

If I understand correctly, the distinction you are making between altered states and hypnosis is that the individual is not "in control" of his or her own journey--it is being directed from the outside. Is that accurate? If so, I would not see hypnosis as akin to journeying. IMHO


message 8: by Ancestral (new)

Ancestral Gael I don't feel comfortable choosing one of the answers provided. I undertake Imramma on a semi-regular basis; Imramma being a form of journeying from an Irish tradition, but I would never refer to it as shamanic.


message 9: by Nell (new)

Nell Grey Sara wrote: "If I understand correctly, the distinction you are making between altered states and hypnosis is that the individual is not "in control" of his or her own journey--it is being directed from the outside. Is that accurate?"

Yes, that's what I was thinking of - a deliberate intention to journey and being in some sort of control, although this raises the question of whether a practitioner (as opposed to an indigenous shaman) is able to do this under the influence of any sort of drug.

Ancestral, I need to do some research on Imramma - I thought 'shamanic' was a broad enough term, but maybe not.


message 10: by [deleted user] (new)

No, real hypnosis is a deep meditative state. Yes my hypnotist guided me into that state, but it was my subconscious doing the journeying. The other type of hypnosis is showman stuff. No one can really make anyone do anything unless they subconsciously or consciously agree to it (my hypnotist was adamant about this, he felt the showmen had done a disservice to hypnotism). I wondered about the shamanic side of it as in one session I transformed from a cocoon into a butterfly/month, then flew.

I don't have a problem if it's not journeying though:) I did have difficulties answering the poll though. I'd probably answer 'I've yet to...', but then I'm not sure if it will become a part of my practice yet. I'd like to learn more about it. Do we have a thread for it? I know we have one for books (Bryn's research).


message 11: by Nell (last edited Jul 30, 2012 05:02AM) (new)

Nell Grey I can see how hypnosis could be a way to journey if your hypnotist guided you into that state and then let you free to find your way. The transformation sounds amazing - did you comment on what was happening while it was taking place, and did s/he have to bring you back to this reality?

I don't think we have a thread for shamanic journeying, although we have one for lucid dreaming. I was thinking of broadening the subject of the poll after Ancestral's post, but decided against it as people who voted for Shamanic journeying has never been part of my practice might need to alter their votes if they journey in other ways, and might not see the change. So maybe it's best to stick to 'Shamanic' with this one - people can always modify their votes by commenting.


message 12: by Ancestral (new)

Ancestral Gael Nell wrote: "...I thought 'shamanic' was a broad enough term, but maybe not."

It's a personal thing: I avoid the terms "shaman" and/or "shamanic" because of the ambiguity of their meaning in academic, pagan, and general circles.


message 13: by [deleted user] (new)

It was amazing, Nell. He guided me into the state, but I was free to follow my own path, hence the transformation. It was the deepest I've ever been, very surreal and extremely blissful. He called me out of it at the end. I left feeling like a new person (a dramatic difference to how I was when I arrived there).


message 14: by Sara (new)

Sara Wow, that's something Gina. It does sound very similar to what I think of as journeying. It certainly isn't what I think of as hypnotism. The few times I've been hypnotized, it sure wasn't like that!


message 15: by [deleted user] (new)

He was an amazing man. He spoke of hypnosis as being a form of deep meditation. He taught me how to do it, but it was never as deep or intense as when he guided me under. :)


message 16: by Nell (new)

Nell Grey Gina, it's amazing too that he taught you how to do it rather than have you continue treatment - he sounds like an exceptional man.


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