James's comments (member since May 26, 2009)

James's comments from the Reformed Readers group.

I listened to two of them and I plan to re-listen to the one on family worship... This is something that our particular church emphasizes and encourages so I am attempting to listen from a different perspective the second time. This is a good thing to emphasize as the family is the foundational community structure for the Church. I am glad to see you post these type of resources. Keep up the good work, Jason.

Grace and Peace,

No problem buddy. Not trying to be slippery but instead slow and deliberate (circumspect if you will). There have been many people on both sides that have dealt in a manner that does not reflect patience and long suffering. As I am on neither side but simply a thinking observer, I tend to be careful so that I am not pulled in to the "froth." We can always discuss in emails back and forth - so as to avoid any accidental public comments but trust me when I say I have no problem being direct. In fact I have a problem being too direct and that is why I am seeking at this time in my life to be patient, longsuffering, and carefully wise... Your friend and fellow servant in the faith.

I guess I could be viewed a sympathetic but I strive to walk between the ditches so to speak. I see the problems that FV is seeking to correct and I see potential problems from the trajectory some FV views as well. The great thing about the reformed faith is that over time it corrects itself and I am sure in hundred years or more from now both sides will be seeing their issues differently than today. For instance, most reformed groups adhere more to Calvin than Zwingli although today's evangelicals sometimes reflect more Zwinglian views. I guess my point is better said this way - I prefer to see myself as reforming and not reformed, just as I believe the Bride of Christ (church) is reforming to better reflect her savior. Oh and by the way "Future Men" is an excellent book! Boy did we get way off the subject of baptism :)

Jason,
I picked up on that - you seemed very teachable. I just wanted to let everyone know that Wilson has some excellent books and resources outside the FV sphere. Prior to the FV controversy his literature was considered by many (e.g. Ligonier, et al.) to be more than just significant but highly practical and and aid for marriage and family that exceeded the standard fare available in the evangelical community. I often strive to not throw the baby out with the bathwater - proverbially of course. So it was just that - thanks for being so kind! Grace and Peace,

Jason,

I hesitate to answer your question directly as it is such a volatile subject (FV). But I just as you, am on a journey learning the "reformed" faith and constantly reforming to God's word. I think it is difficult for all individuals to look at each other and decide what is in the pale of "reformed thought" when we ourselves are dynamically reforming out thoughts and beliefs. For instance you are moving toward padeobaptism which is one of the main tenants of the reformed faith. I too have areas I struggle to evaluate. I say all this because of your admonition with regard to Wilson. I don't agree with everything he says but the man has produced a dozen or so books that are extremely helpful for the family and marriage. Fortunately I can tell by your corespondence that you really care and are striving in the faith. All I am saying is we have to remember many throughout church history have held to beliefs that later were not alway correct. Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli are reformers that we would not agree with their total "systems." I think that we can do the same for some of our more recent theologians as long as they are not heretical. I hope that this is received in the very congenial spirit it is intended. I love discussing these things with you my brothers (and sisters if applicable).

Grace and Peace,

Can't say I have ever listened to Morecraft - but will give it a go.

Wilson is a great author and I highly recommend "To a Thousand Generations." I just figured "Children of the Promise" was a little more introductory. It depends on your intended audience.

Thanks Bob ! There are many more good books out there but I remember this one being one of the most easy on the senses and conscience almost a decade ago...

"Children of the Promise: The Biblical Case for Infant Baptism" is an excellent book for your purpose because it is written by a man as he studies this issue and moves toward paedobaptism. It is conversational in its approach which is helpful when keeping the readers attention. Here is the link for the book here in good reads...

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57151...

I have ordered the book and will start as soon as it comes in.

Jason wrote: "Welcome James. We just started this book so it would not be to late to start. Despite the comments of 'textbook like' I think the book is very relevant and and covers many things we can focus in on..."

OK, forgive my ignorance but which book are we starting?

I just joined the group recently so I am going to wait for the next book. Good providence to you all.