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8115 They're sort of on the last leg of the trip here, heading home, so a little nip to get them there is probably a good thing.
8115 If so, the concept of a case gets more attractive all the time.
Dec 24, 2010 02:18PM

8115 ENSIGNS
Dec 24, 2010 12:13PM

8115 IGNORES
Dec 23, 2010 01:46PM

8115 GROCERS
Dec 23, 2010 11:00AM

8115 REGRESS
Dec 23, 2010 08:56AM

8115 Thanks, Bentley, particularly for the Constitution Online link. In addition to the specific article, there is much to peruse there.
8115 To Bentley, chief of the mod squad and to all of you, thanks for being here, and thanks to all your families for sharing you with us. To all group members, including, of course, said mod squad, may the spirit of this holiday season visit you now and throughout the coming year.
Dec 22, 2010 05:55PM

8115 First, I find it interesting that the title given in the Signet Edition is at odds with the title in Bantam Classics edition, which is Articles failure prompted Philadelphia Conventon.

What little background reading I have done on these is that there actually is no title, that these were all articles published in various New York papers in order to convince the people of New York toward ratification.

Which brings me to my question. The Federalist Papers are in argument of ratifying the Constitution as proposed at the Philadelphia convention. Were the majoriy in opposition to ratification in favor of retaining the Articles of Confederation, or did they think that some third proposal, a different compromise, was what was wanting?
Dec 22, 2010 04:19PM

8115 I must admit that it's very difficult to see much difference between today's parties. I found it noteworthy in the Introduction (written in 1982) to the Bantam Classics version:
Though America has made its party system a part of the functioning Constitution, that system is unlike most - and certainly unlike the parties in most countries with a parliamentary government. There, parties proliferate to express defined views, since each party will have some members in the parliament. In America two parties compete in winner-take-all races - which means that our parties have remained nonideological. Each party spreads an umbrella over many compromises, and the two generally approximate each other's positions at election time, making clear-cut ideological choice difficult or impossible. The genius of this sytem is compromise, which entails the surrender of one's private position to reach a working arrangmeent with others. The rationale for this is no longer a choice of disinterested men as arbitrators. The elitest note of Madison's day has been muted, and compromise is worked out rather than arbitration handed down. But the results of our practice resemble in some measure the aims of Madison's theory - an escape from narrow sectionalism to embrace a national vision extending over a territory far larger than even Madison could imagine in 1787.

Dec 22, 2010 03:36PM

8115 As this Paper is the "preamble" to Publius argument in favor, for the most part it feels that Hamilton is simply laying the groundwork for future Papers.

I was always "informed" that Jefferson was the founder of today's Democratic party. I don't know enough about Hamilton's views - though I'm certain to learn much more - to understand about his being the forerunner of the Republican party, which I'd always been told was founded by Lincoln.
Dec 22, 2010 02:00PM

8115 The first quote above is why I am suspicious of the leaders of either political party so certain they have rightness on their side.

The second quote says why I am suspicious of those who are so busy doing things "for the American people."
Dec 22, 2010 01:57PM

8115 Rather than the Signet Edition, for some reason I chose to purchase the Bantam Classics edition.
The Federalist Papers by Alexander Hamilton

Coming in very late, but want to read the first 16 before we start on the next grouping next month. Two quotes that seem oh so relevant today leaped off the page at me.

For in politics as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.

and

...a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people, than under the forbidding appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us, that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism, than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics the greatest number have begun their career, by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing Demagogues and ending Tyrants.
Dec 21, 2010 12:23PM

8115 MERITED
Dec 21, 2010 12:02PM

8115 STEAMER
Dec 21, 2010 10:21AM

8115 Great minds think alike.
Dec 21, 2010 09:42AM

8115 STAMMER
Dec 21, 2010 08:38AM

8115 Strumpet has 8 letters
Dec 20, 2010 09:26PM

8115 MUSTERS
Dec 20, 2010 08:04PM

8115 GUTTERS


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