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comments from the Edgy YA
I also really enjoyed the voice. I think it's great that the club is reading this so soon after Thirteen Reasons Why, which deals with a lot of the same issues.
I read this book not long ago. I don't think I'll read it again so soon, but I'll discuss if that's okay with people. No spoilers :)
Shelly wrote: "I don't know if Clay even needed to say, "Stop" He just needed to show Hannah that he cared. That might have made all the difference. She felt like she was so alone and that nobody understood her.
Actually, he did show her he cared, but she pushed him away. This also happened with the boy who tried to comfort her at the diner (he then retaliated, but he did try to help her first). The same with Mr. Porter, who I felt was unjustly accused as contributing to her suicide. She simply did not want to be helped, or that's how it seemed to me. When someone says "leave me alone, leave me alone," most people will leave her alone. She wanted them to BEG to help her, but they had no way to know that.
I understand the point Asher was trying to make, but I find Hannah a very unlikeable character. It just seems shitty to point to someone and say, "You're the reason I killed myself." That seems as shitty as what they did to her, sometimes worse.
Yes. I don't remember what for. A lot of books are banned for ridiculous reasons.
I'm not going to read all the posts, since I JUST got my hands on a copy of this today. But I'll come back after I've read it and discuss. I've been wanting to read this book for a few years, since I saw it on a banned-books list, so I'm excited to start.
and LOVE it so far. It's my exact definition of edgy. The atmosphere is very well done. That alone can make me love a book or define it as edgy or not. I've seen the movie but it's been a few years, so I don't remember it too well. The book is amazing. I wish more people knew about this talented author.
EDIT: Although this was in the YA section of my library, I'm not sure I would classify it as YA. I haven't found it listed as YA in any online sites (like Amazon) and it's very adult reading. Whatever it is, it's excellent.
I haven't read
, but from what I've heard, it's edgy YA. Been on my list for a while, so I'm going to nominate it. It's by E. Lockhart
Not sure if this is edgy or not, but in the Bible Belt, it's pretty controversial. I love what I've read so far.
Marita wrote: "Alfonso wrote: "I'd like to nominate Neal Shusterman's Unwind. I'm already half-way through and it captivated me entirely."
I read the intro pages on Amazon and they a..."
I've seen this around but it seemed more like dystopian/sci-fi so I never picked it up.
Peyrac wrote: "With Dessen and Echols and quite a few others however you have slutshaming which is NOT pointed out as being horrid and negative behaviour and by this it is being OWNED by the author. ..."
While I'm not defending either of these authors particularly, as I've only read one book between the two of them, I will say that maybe they are trying to portray what they see as realistic behavior among teens. While I'm not saying it's right, this does happen all the time and probably will for years to come. Girls who are sexually free as you put it are often labeled as sluts among their peers. It's a shame and makes me seeth when I see it at schools, but it's the truth.
If the MC in a book is among a group that has labeled another character as a slut, it makes sense for them to describe the girl that way, since you'd see her through the eyes of the MC. While I do agree it would be better to somewhere point out that this is not okay, maybe sometimes they just want to show what goes on and let you make your own judgement.
Like I said, I'm just playing devil's advocate here and giving the authors the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I give them too much credit!
Have you read
? It isn't the kind of healthy relationship you're talking about, but I do think you'd like it. It deals a lot with the issue of labeling a girl as a 'slut.' It's an amazing book, too, one of my favorites.
Actually, I do have a book which I think would fit your original post. The book is by the same author, Sara Zarr. It is not a book ABOUT sex, though. A healthy teen sexual relationship is portrayed in the book, but it's not the central plot nor is it graphic. The girl is willing and rational about sex. Virginity is not made a big deal at all. I guess I like books that portray that without it being the main focus of the book (I'm not a fan of romance novels), and I remember being impressed when I read it with the positive way she portrayed teenage sexuality. Anyway, if you want to look at that one, it's also very good and you might enjoy it.
It does, however, have a disturbing sexual relationship in it (also not graphic) presented in flashback/memory.
She's a very popular YA author in the US, a bestseller and tons of girls love her books. Just not for me.
Peyrac wrote: "Lena wrote: "I was not a big fan of Doing It. The characters seemed shallow and unrealistically naive to me. But I LOVED Smack and recommend it to anyone I know who I think can handle it. The sex i..."
I've read one Dessen book and I will never, ever read another. I don't know the other author, but probably will stay far from her books if they are like Dessen's.
But I was curious about your original post. Are you saying the AUTHOR is slut-shaming the character, or another character? Because, unfortunately, I'd say that a teenage girl having sex and being slut-shamed by peers would be pretty realistic.
There is no graphic sex in Smack. I just meant that it's not presented as a bad thing.
I was not a big fan of Doing It. The characters seemed shallow and unrealistically naive to me. But I LOVED Smack and recommend it to anyone I know who I think can handle it. The sex in that book is what you describe, albeit the characters are high when they have it. Still, that beats Doing It any day in my estimation. But if anyone can think of any other authors who write books about teen sexuality with a positive attitude, I'd also like to know. I think the Perfect Chemistry series does, but I haven't read it. Anyone know for sure?
Not edgy by my standards, but it was a great read.
Jennifer wrote: "I consider a book edgy if it includes topics that make people uncomfortable. For example, I just read the book Almost Perfect by Brian Katcher. It is about a teen boy who falls for t..."
I picked up this book and meant to read it, but for some reason I never got around to it. Was it good?
I've wanted to read that for a long time.