Kenza's comments
Kenza's comments from the Banned Books group.
Note: Kenza is no longer a member of this group.
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Kelly wrote: "I didn't know about the other books, either. I'm thrilled! Thanks Joseph!Do you folks think the old people really understood what release meant? I got the impression that everyone was as confused..."
yeah, thats what i was trying 2 say earlier..."but i got a feeling that some, if not all, of them didnt quite know it was going to kill them, they might still be under the impression they were going Elsewhere.
anyone think the same way? or am i totally off the mark ^-^ "
Joseph wrote: "Lois Lowry wrote it as a loose trilogy. You don't have to read them all, but reading "The Giver" first adds to understanding "Gathering Blue" better, and reading those two helps to get more out of..."mmk. ill consider reading. (i probably will ^_^)
Joseph wrote: "well i suppose it is, but in the case of the book, no one had a choice- if they didnt want to die, they still had to. but i got a feeling that some, if not all, of them didnt quite know it was goin..."oh i see. i didnt know that it was a trilogy, i thought that they were just other books he had written.
Kelly wrote: "It's so sad that the principal caved.I was thinking of assisted suicide, Lisa, by what you said above. But technically "pulling the plug" on someone who is alive but will die without the machines..."
well i suppose it is, but in the case of the book, no one had a choice- if they didnt want to die, they still had to. but i got a feeling that some, if not all, of them didnt quite know it was going to kill them, they might still be under the impression they were going Elsewhere.
anyone think the same way? or am i totally off the mark ^-^
Kelly wrote: "Is it illegal everywhere in the US? It's one of those things that would be jurisdictional, probably at a state level."yes, it seems so. ive looked it up to confirm, and yes, as lisa said, the enforcement depends on the state.
Kelly wrote: "I'm moving this to another folder because this folder is for discussing the books we're reading as a group."mmk....
Julia wrote: "It's been years since I read it as well, but thematically, utopian societies by their nature are dystopian.Why that would cause banning I can't say. Perhaps if there were a true utopia then one..."
yea i remember talking about that with my friends...and when i looked up some sites they said the exact same thing. and im not sure why its banned either, i was wondering.
Lisa wrote: "Well, we're actually talking murder, but in our society, euthanasia, if it's initiated or approved by the person dying, is considered a form of suicide by some, those same people who no doubt want ..."in the book, yes, it is basically murder, but with the elderly, some of them probably werent even quite sure what it would do to them.
and in our society, well, it's not exactly suicide all the time, but u cant compare because it IS illegal in the US.
Joseph wrote: "Kenza wrote: "no, suicide is simply"the action of killing oneself intentionally" and it may not have to do with depression at all."
You're right, I meant to say OFTEN due to depression. Someh..."
oh, haha yea. i see. and its such a brutal part of the book. i just didnt see how suicide fit in, and now i see it didnt at all :)
no, suicide is simply"the action of killing oneself intentionally" and it may not have to do with depression at all.
this is the definition the Apple dictionary gives.euthanasia |ˌyoōθəˈnā zh ə|
noun
the painless killing of a patient suffering from an incurable and painful disease or in an irreversible coma. The practice is illegal in most countries.
Joseph wrote: "There wasn't any suicide in "The Giver." All the old people who ended their lives did so willingly with assistance. That's the definition of euthenasia, not suicide. Suicide is by definition endi..."um i know that euthanasia does not mean suicide (im not that stupid). i was taking an excerpt from the website that lisa sent me which was "Utopian society that relies on euthanasia and suicide to create the perfect community"
Lisa wrote: "Kenza, Well, the other thread is going strong so maybe we can let others post in that thread. As I said, it's been years since I've read the book so I'm not sure."ah. i see :)
Lisa wrote: "Hmm, Well, I was thinking of the euthanasia too. It's been a long time since I've read this book. Perhaps those that ban books lump those two together as one; maybe for them it's the same issue?"euthanasia seems the obvious one, as jonas 'recieves' later on in the book the answer.
oh, huh. well i suppose that's right, so maybe you could just message me about it?
i see the euthanasia, but the suicide? sorry this must seem very obvious- im not v observant.
yes, i have read it, i read it today haha
i also have another question:
"Utopian society that relies on euthanasia and suicide to create the perfect community"
i dont see that in the book (i'm only a blissfully unaware teenager, so i obviously wouldn't quite yet haha) and how do they use suicide to create a perfect community? i am extremely confused. although that is very interesting, how DO they create a perfect society? please explain!
i also have another question:"Utopian society that relies on euthanasia and suicide to create the perfect community"
i dont see that in the book (i'm only a blissfully unaware teenager, so i obviously wouldn't quite yet haha) and how do they use suicide to create a perfect community? i am extremely confused. although that is very interesting, how DO they create a perfect society? please explain!
title really explains it all. why is it considered challenged or why is it banned?
