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May 27, 2012 05:34AM

19860 Crime and Punishment! Crime and Punishment!

(filed under: list of things I never thought I'd chant)
Jan 29, 2012 04:47AM

19860 I'm a bit confused about where Achilles went off to...is he still sitting out the battle?
Jan 18, 2012 03:01PM

19860 Hector is ESPECIALLY hunky when compared to his brother. Even HELEN gets a bit "seriously, dude, go spear some Greeks."

I'm enjoying the family drama within the pantheon more than the war scenes (which are all x fellow inserted a bronze spear into the y body part of z other fellow, who instantly died). I LOVED Ares' temper tantrum to Zeus, who basically told him to suck it up.
Iliad Book 1 (397 new)
Jan 04, 2012 01:29PM

19860 Everyman wrote: "Bill wrote: "It's seems odd to me to imagine a world where females have power in heaven or rather Olympus and none on earth."

It's worse than that. They not only have no power, but they are someti..."


This is the thing that stuck with me after finishing the first book. All I could think about were poor Chryseis and Briseis and how they were traded like cattle. It's made me pretty prejudiced against Achilles and Agammemnon from the start.
Nov 08, 2011 12:38PM

19860 I second the Homer. I've never read The Iliad or The Odyssey and I have them both on my shelves, waiting to be opened.
Jul 23, 2011 01:01PM

19860 Ibis3 wrote: "I might be persuaded to go with Proust, but I don't want to read the whole thing at once. I'd only want to read Swann's Way, saving the other volumes for a later time. How do the other Proust voter..."

I dunno, I would like to read the whole thing but I don't know if I could handle...all...the commas...
Jul 22, 2011 05:25PM

19860 Well I voted for the Proust. I own the whole bloody thing and the only way I'm EVER going to crack those spines is with a group to which I have to be accountable.

Stupid library book sales.
Jul 17, 2011 04:57PM

19860 OOOO I would love to tackle the Hugo, Nietzche, or the Proust...mostly because I own but have not read all three. Actually, I have read Swann's Way but I don't think I "got" it. I was pregnant with twins at the time, so I don't think I really "got" anything except my pillow and Chick Fil A sweet tea. Anyway, I'm sure reading it again would be just like the first time.
19860 Well, I have a blog! It's called Dead White Guys: An Irreverent Guide to Classic Literature. I review classics (obviously) but I will warn you: it's tongue in cheek!

http://deadwhiteguyslit.blogspot.com/
Aug 30, 2010 04:55AM

19860 Vikz wrote: "I am afraid, I have another question. The Yale lectures quote Samuel Johnson in saying "that once you put PL down you will never pick it up again". (I am paraphrasing here). Now that we have finis..."

Uh no. This is my second time reading it (first time as an adult) and I think I'm good..you know. Forever.
Aug 27, 2010 02:35PM

19860 Ha! Free won't! I think that aptly describes people and particles.
Aug 27, 2010 08:02AM

19860 Uh, no, what I meant by people who think like you is: people who think like you. If I wanted to say atheists, that's what I would have said. And I didn't say obedience is synonymous with mindless. I said God could have created creatures who were both obedient and mindless. In general, I don't think they are the same thing.
Aug 27, 2010 04:24AM

19860 I don't think God created the fall- humans did. God gave A&E the free will to do what they wanted, and they chose option B. Of course, God let Satan tempt them- what's the point of free will without temptation? And God could have also taken away the free will of A&E and created obedient, mindless creatures- but again, what's the point of creating a creature you want to fellowship with if that creature doesn't have a choice?

I think it would have been foolish and cruel for God to take away A&E's, and subsequently, our, option to obey Him or not, as we will. I don't know why people think that in allowing humans to make bad choices, including the first humans, God is somehow crueler for it. I would resent a being more that didn't let me decide for myself.

In that way, I don't find it unjustifiable at all. In fact, I find people who blame God for the poor choices and cruelty of humans illogical. We have the free will to "ruin it all" and we generally do. That's the thing about reasoning- it's a purely personal process, and what is perfectly reasonable to one person doesn't make any sense to another. Human logic is just as flawed as human anything else. To say God's acts are unreasonable and illogical is just another way of saying they are unreasonable and illogical to you, and people who think like you.
Aug 26, 2010 07:18PM

19860 Ok, I accidentally deleted a Very Long Post in an attempt to edit it from my phone. Sad face. Essentially, what I said was in response to Zeke- I don't think God devised such a game, I think Milton's God did, and that's not the same thing.

Of course, previous post was much longer but phone-typage equals tedious.
The Tea Shop 2 (1006 new)
Aug 26, 2010 06:59PM

19860 I'll usually stick with a book until I'm totally exasperated and the thought of reading it any further makes me sad, even if it is "important." If a book can't keep the amateur reader interested, it's either not the right time for me to read it, or it shouldn't be kept in the canon. So I usually keep the book for a few years and try again- if I still can't stomach it, I toss it.
The Tea Shop 2 (1006 new)
Aug 25, 2010 04:08PM

19860 But he was raised by a black woman, so I don't think it was his background so much.

ETA I actually just read this review of a new London biography which goes into more detail about his views on other races- including his belief that whites should subjugate or exterminate "weaker" races as part of historical progress. I hope this is the right link, I'm typing this on my phone…

slate.com/id/2261928
The Tea Shop 2 (1006 new)
Aug 25, 2010 02:51PM

19860 I respect Jack London more for his realizing that there's no need to view a faith in science and a faith in God as mutually exclusive.

Then I lose that respect pretty immediately when I remember he was a raving, racist crazy person.
Aug 24, 2010 04:38AM

19860 MadgeUK wrote: "Amanda wrote: "MadgeUK wrote: I want him in Heaven partaking of ambrosia that will restore his sight and not harm his digestive system:)"

Oh, I hope he's there because when I get there we are goin..."


Pshaw, I'm sure he can take some criticism, even if his fans can't ;)
Aug 22, 2010 03:38PM

19860 MadgeUK wrote: I want him in Heaven partaking of ambrosia that will restore his sight and not harm his digestive system:)"

Oh, I hope he's there because when I get there we are going to have some WORDS. ;)
Aug 22, 2010 01:39PM

19860 MadgeUK wrote: "Why is Milton saying that he was 'perfet and so just' then?"

Because he liked to make things up that aren't in the Bible? Maybe he didn't read that part of Genesis. (tongue firmly in cheek, in case that's not clear)

The Bible verse he may have drawn from is Genesis 7:1, which says "And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."

Righteous and perfect/sinless aren't the same thing.
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