Koe's comments

Koe's comments from the I live for Jesus and Jesus alone!! group.

Note: Koe is no longer a member of this group.

Dapplenose you're not familiar with goatse.cx are you?

Goatse.cx was essentially a man using both his hands to pull his anus wide open. Your image is in fact a Photoshop tribute to that.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/god...

Got any 2 girls 1 cup miracles for us also?

From a conservative christina group:

http://www.barna.org/barna-update/articl...

Divorce Among Adults Who Have Been Married

(Base: 3792 adults)

Population Segment Have Been Divorced No. of Interviews

All adults 33% 3792

Evangelical Christians 26% 339
Non-evangelical born again Chrisitans 33% 1373
Notional Christians 33% 1488
Associated with non Christian faith 38% 197
Atheist or agnostic 30% 269
All born again Christians 32% 1712
All non born again Christians 33% 2080

Protestant 34% 1997
Catholic 28% 875

Upscale 22% 450
Downscale 39% 367

White 32% 2641
African-American 36% 464
Hispanic 31% 458
Asian 20% 128

Conservative 28% 1343
Moderate 33% 1720
Liberal 37% 474

I should of course point out that I don't actually consider divorce a bad thing.


http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

Response Number %
---------------------------- --------
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%
---------------------------- --------
Total Known Responses 74731 100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)

Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).

Sorry about the formating.

I'm pointing out why it's a bad book. I can use it to support that argument. I can point to it and say don't follow this book because it makes bad arguments and supports things that are immoral.

Your bit on the ways of men changing falls apart though because we're not talking about peoples morals we're talking about the morals of God. Unless you’re saying he's changed his mind on what's moral or not since the time of the bible you are missing the point.

If you are claiming that then we can throw out the bible anyway since God has changed his mind and even if it were true at some point it's no longer valid.

If you are talking about people then I agree with you. People have for the most part gotten better and more moral as time has gone on. Something which I am very happy about.

Final point about "where Christ's love is shown, things get better." I'd point out that atheists have lower divorce rates, and are less likely to be put in jail than are Christians. So that's a fail as well.

21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Right... you can beat your slave to death assuming it takes a day or two for him to die after the beating.

Or you can sell people into slavery if they can't pay debts:
22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

And don't complain about it:
3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;

Exodus 21:2
If thou buy an Hebrew servant....

Exodus 21:7
If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant....

Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Exodus 22:3
If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Leviticus 22:11
If the priest buy any soul with his money....

Leviticus 25:39
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee....

Leviticus 25:44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever.

Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.

Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:9-10
Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

Are you claiming that God did not endorse slavery?

Provide evidence of that please.

Mary was one of the chosen people and thus I already covered her.

I'd also argue with you both about the start of Homo sapiens and the populations of early humans. There were not trillions of people before Jesus time.

No... if you weren’t one of the chosen people and you were born before Jesus you went to hell.

What I was disagreeing with was your statement that they were good people.

Let me break it out for you.
1) God wouldn't send good people to hell.
2) If you aren’t one of the chosen people you need Jesus to go to heaven.
3) If you aren’t one of the chosen people and you were born before Jesus you are going to hell.
4) Therefore all non chosen people before Jesus weren’t good people.

Don't you think it would be easy enough for an all powerful God to simply select people who deserved hell to populate the earth until Jesus was born?

/Agree with Nathan.

Christianity also typically claims that it helps provide morals and claims to be essential to modern life. When you claim that a book endorsing those things should be used to provide us our morals then yes it should be brought up that the book provides crappy morals.

Do you hate everyone and think they are all less then you also?

Why would I hate someone for the beliefs they hold?

but they were good people.

If they where good people God wouldn't have sent them to hell would he? Come on use some logic.

Special rules if you where one of Gods chosen people so some of them could go to heaven.

But sure Max I'll say the rest of the people deserved to go to hell. After all they didn't belive in Jesus did they?

Obviously you're still not worthy of heaven or god would have made it so you could have been saved. Duh.

Max if they where supposed to go to heaven God would have had them be born after Jesus so yes they all went to hell.

I also suspect that starving or sick people might find things you could do that are kinder than preaching to them.

Well it is a tricky word. I can see why people might get confused about it.

Actually I do debate to enlighten. We just have a disagreement on what that enlightenment consists of.

I happen to think it comes from reality and ya'll happen to think it's following the words of a Bronze Age tribe that practiced slavery, genocide, and burning people for being witches.

I always new Men in Black was a documentry.

Ninja,
Sorry I missed you said this earlier "I mean, I want older fossils, what they've found that completes the evolutionary chain. Because I don't recall being taught about all the different species from billions of years ago in school. I mean, we learned about evolution, sure, but I don't know how far we actually delved into it."

Why don't you take a look at that paper I linked to on whales. It contains a number of fossil photos showing the transition of whales from creatues that walked on land to modern whales.

Palaeontological and Molecular Evidence Linking
Arthropods, Onychophorans, and other Ecdysozoa

http://www.springerlink.com/content/w217...

From Land to Water: the Origin of Whales, Dolphins,
and Porpoises
http://www.springerlink.com/content/whn1...

The evolution of the ability to metabolize citrate in E. coli. Starting with a single E. coli bacteria Richard Lenski founded 12 populations that he's kept going over the last 20 years.

Here's the paper: http://www.pnas.org/content/105/23/7899....

Here's an article on it:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/...

Please point out any flaws. Those are all examples of evolution. We obviously could bring in years and years worth of more data for you to look at.

Here's a blurb to I posted in this thread about ring species that show speciation within an extant population.

Let’s look first at the most famous ring species the Larus Gulls. If we start in northern Great Britain we find two "types" of Larus gulls (the Herring Gull and Lesser Black-Backed Gull) living along side each other that are normally are unable to hybridize (crossbreed). If we move to the west we find the American Herring gull which while it looks a bit different is perfectly happy having babies with the Herring Gull. Going a bit further west we find the Vega Herring Gull, the Birula's gull, Heuglin's gull, and the Siberian lesser black-backed gull. Each of these gulls is also perfectly happy to have children with the two types on either side of it.

Going just a bit farther west though brings us back into Great Britain where we find the Lesser black-backed gull sitting right alongside the Herring gull we started with. However these two groups can't interbreed. So we've got a ring of gulls around the arctic that all breed with each other but by the time they overlap again the two ends of the ring can't interbreed any longer. If you got rid of all those gulls in the middle these two types of gulls would be different species.