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message 1: by [deleted user] (new)

Did you read this version, or the American version?

Because "Philosopher's Stone" is definitely not the American version... "Sorcerer's Stone" is more like it.

Crying? I'll even admit that there were moments of heart-tugging, but they probably weren't the same as yours: when Luna and Neville both, separately, show exactly how much of a friend they are. Neville especially.

The epilogue was pretty nasty... I refuse to read it anymore. I read it the first time, and since then, never again. If it had been longer and in more detail, maybe it would have been at least decent... but it wasn't.

You missed one of the big controversies... alot of people hate the "oh look we're in a forest!" part. What'd you think about it? I'll even tell you what I think after you go first.

--Kyle


Shannon (Giraffe Days) Well... I wrote this review about a year ago or whenever the book came out, so I don't really remember the details too clearly. What's the controversy about the forest? Which scene do you mean exactly? Just need to jog my memory.

All of mine are the British editions. I hate that US publishers insist on changing not just titles but words and even some whole sentences (some sentences were changed between the UK and US editions). I find it really insulting to everyone, and it makes me mad. I refuse to call it "the Sorceror's Stone". What, do the publishers think that the American public are so stupid they won't be able to understand what a philosopher's stone is, even when it's explained in the book?? They don't give readers any credit.

I agree, the epilogue was nasty. It was like fairy floss: sickly sweet and vacuous.


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The forest scene was the looking-for-stuff-but-lost deal that was 30% or so of the book, and largely action-free. Alot of people felt it was the exact opposite of what most of the Harry Potter series was about, and was kind of like a oh-let's-be-emo ploy (not literally, but... you know).

I don't mind the changes, really. Because, let's face it, to Americans the phrase "philosopher's stone" makes absolutely no sense. Even though I know what it's intended to mean, "sorcerer" is a much more appropriate word. And the same goes for dialogue... I love the oddities of British English as much as every other American (which we find highly amusing, by the way), but to have to read a book written entirely in it would be difficult.

I know someone who's read all the books in both original and American format, and she loves them both, but admits that the British takes some Googling if you're not familiar with all the terms and awkward phrases (like your "take a turn around the house" in the review - I knew what it meant, but to some people that might be just confusing enough to make them drop out of the suspended reality).

Not to mention the terrible spelling and random nonsense like "colour" or "treacle tart"! ;-)

Know what I mean?

That being said, I have every intention of reading them in original form.


message 4: by Shannon (Giraffe Days) (last edited Jul 29, 2008 08:31AM) (new)

Shannon (Giraffe Days) Ah, now I know you're just taking the piss! (try looking that one up!)

I honestly can't recall what forest scene you're talking about! Finding stuff that's lost? "let's be emo"? What's "emo"? Emotional?

But, I like the quiet moments in books like this: I loved The Order of the Phoenix for just this reason, while I know many people found it boring.

Oh, and before I forget: seeing "color" etc. in American books disrupts my reading experience something shocking, I get completely distracted by that and things like it.


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Bob's your uncle! Take the mickey!

Maybe "emo" is an American thing? It's those goth kids who cry alot but don't stay away from "the man" and like to hang out at Starbucks. They always have weird haircuts (like the "I can see you!" halfcut)...

The scene is where they're poking around England thinking about looking for Horcux's, but they can't find any, and Ron goes off and cries because the necklace-Horcux gets to him. People just said it took forever and was kind of pointless, while I disagree.

Words: hm I guess it goes both ways. Our countries should fight about it and decide for the entire world what is the official way. I've got $100 Euros on America... ;-)

--Kyle


Shannon (Giraffe Days) *laughs*

Not too shabby ;)

Oh I remember! Hmm, it was certainly a departure from how the other books were plotted but I didn't mind it in the least. Since I'm such a big critique of stories (books and movies) that lack character development, I'm very happy with the scope of it in HP. I think you also have to remember that they are teenagers and hormonally charged and also trying to save the world on their own, pretty much. I can give lots of allowances for silly behaviour :)




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[delayed thanks to a non-digital vacation]

Fair enough. Maybe we should wait and see how the movie interprets it... ;-)

--Kyle


message 8: by Fred D (new)

Fred D You wrote an excellent review. I enjoyed reading it. My reactions to certain parts of the book were similar to yours. It was terribly suspenseful, kept me on the edge of the my seat. I couldn't put the book down. I was constantly stressing out about what would happen next. The story definitely kept my anxiety levels very high. In other words, the book was awesome! The best in the series.


Shannon (Giraffe Days) And a very fitting climax/ending to the series I thought, Fred - my one worry going into this book would be that it would just sag.

I think, though - after many months' reflection - she should have re-written the epilogue. It was obviously a great starting-off point for Rowling but in the interim her writing became much much better and her grasp of the characters, obviously, more solid. I think that's where the cheesy quality comes from. Sometimes you have to let go of scenes that you loved because, by the end, they no longer work/fit. I think maybe she needed a firm editor to recommend that to her. (She may have rewritten it, but I'd be surprised if she did, because it doesn't have the same quality of prose as the books.)


message 10: by Fred D (new)

Fred D Uh yeah I agree that the epilogue was cheesy, but it was really short and it didn't ruin the book for me or anything. Certainly a longer, better epilogue would have been nice. To me, at least it was comforting to know that Harry & Ginny, and Ron & Hermione ended up together.


Shannon (Giraffe Days) Yes I liked that too - it was nice to have something that showed they were happy and all.


message 12: by Fred D (new)

Fred D BTW, in your review you talked about all the deaths and how they affected you. Probably the death that affected me the most was Dobby. That was a real tough one. And then the scene where Harry buried him...that was hard. I got really emotional. What loyalty! What devotion! What a sacrifice.


Shannon (Giraffe Days) I cried so much reading these books - I agree, Dobby was a tough one, it was so sacrificial (is that the right word?), so selfless. So sad.


message 14: by Danielle (last edited Sep 30, 2009 11:01AM) (new)

Danielle Great review of a great book. I thought each book was a little better than the last in this series, which is a real departure from the norm. I am not holding my breath for the movies since the latest one just deeply disappointed me. I hope they do a better job with the next ones.


Shannon (Giraffe Days) There's only one more movie to go isn't there? I have my favourites - Chamber of Secrets is perhaps my least favourite, with Half-Blood Prince coming second least. But I need to re-read the whole series again!

I didn't like the first two movies much - they kept too close to the books and crammed them too full; yet the more recent ones have been hard to follow unless you've read them. I guess they're hard books to adapt to the big screen.


message 16: by Danielle (new)

Danielle Shannon wrote: "There's only one more movie to go isn't there?..."

I heard there will be two movies made from the last book. I hope this is true, because they definitely need to slow down. The last movie left far too much out, and tried to replace it with teeny bop romance stuff. :( Soooo not what that series was about.



message 17: by Maria (new)

Maria Elmvang Yup, two movies :) Part I premieres in November 2010, Part II in July 2011 - at least according to IMDB.com


Shannon (Giraffe Days) Oh I didn't know that, but that's definitely good news. There've already left out a lot of details that I guess they decided weren't necessary to the story they're telling.

The bits with Ron and Lavender were a bit much weren't they? Kinda made me cringe a bit.


message 19: by Fred D (new)

Fred D The movie HBP had it's good parts, but overall I was disappointed too. The book was incredible, my second-favorite in the series (after Deathly Hallows), so I had high hopes. The movie could have been really awesome if it had been done right. Too bad.


Shannon (Giraffe Days) I really can't remember the book much Fred, but I found that to be the case with most of the movies. Generally I really like them, but they do remind you of all that's been missed out.


message 21: by Christine (new)

Christine Schulze Fred D wrote: "BTW, in your review you talked about all the deaths and how they affected you. Probably the death that affected me the most was Dobby. That was a real tough one. And then the scene where Harry buri..."

I concur. Dobby his me hard. The others...everything was happening so fast with the war, I didn't feel like I had time to grieve for them.

I too thought the ending cheesy and awful at first. But now, looking back on it, it's not so bad. It's sort of like all this epic stuff happened, but now they are finally just living normal lives. At first, I thought it took away from the epic-ness, but it's sort of just like when Sam goes home to his wife and kids at the end of Lord of the Rings. You get that sense that the evil is past, and now things can just be what they are.


message 22: by Christine (new)

Christine Schulze Fred D wrote: "The movie HBP had it's good parts, but overall I was disappointed too. The book was incredible, my second-favorite in the series (after Deathly Hallows), so I had high hopes. The movie could have b..."

I really liked HBP. It felt less rushed than some of the others, and I liked the emotion, music, and visual effects and how they all combined. However, I will say it had been a little while since I'd read the book, so though it was one of my faves--along with Order of the Phoenix--perhaps without comparing it so much to the book, that helped. I remember not liking Order when it came out because I was already biased towards the book being better (I really loathed the 3rd movie and never quite forgave Hollywood for it). But I've watched it sense and do quite like it. I think as movies they are mostly really good; only when one has just read the books and everything is fresh in one's mind does one really tend to judge.

I do hope splitting the last movie in half will help though. There's a lot going on there.


message 23: by KB (new)

KB Love is our weapon I liked the epilogue (Lily Luna Potter for Halloween) teddy Is my favorite character. Does anyone know what the 'creature' Harry saw was? It confused me.


Spider the Doof Warrior This book made me get weepy at the end.
I love that scene with ghosts following him. I stopped the movies after movie 5.


message 25: by Tracy (new)

Tracy Reilly Hermione erasing her existence - removing knowledge and memory of herself from her parents' minds and sending them off to Australia under new identities so that they aren't a target. There is something incredibly tragic about this, though it doesn't get much attention. I can't imagine the kind of strength and resolve it would take to do that, though the realities of the world would probably help give you the resolve.

You're right..that is a sort of sad little detail that is overlooked.


message 26: by Becca (new)

Becca I cried so hard about the whole Tonks Lupin thing. It was like Harry all over again. I cried just reading this review.


Shannon (Giraffe Days) Becca wrote: "I cried so hard about the whole Tonks Lupin thing. It was like Harry all over again. I cried just reading this review."

I know, it's so awful. I don't even like to think about it - my mind shies away from it. It makes me understand how those characters feel, who talk about waking up and finding that it didn't happen. It makes it hard to re-read the series, too, knowing what's coming.


message 28: by Hannah (new)

Hannah I think it's funny that everyone thought the epilogue was cheesy, cause it was one of my favorite parts! I thought it was a really nice ending.


message 29: by Sydney (new)

Sydney now that harry potter is over and there done making the movies I think the percy jackson series by rick riodran is going to be the new harry potter


message 30: by Hannah (new)

Hannah Sydney wrote: "now that harry potter is over and there done making the movies I think the percy jackson series by rick riodran is going to be the new harry potter"
Haha! Yeah, I agree. My friend said the other day that she liked it better than Harry Potter! I wanted to smack her, but I still need to read Percy Jackson. So I guess we'll see!


message 31: by Kiran (new)

Kiran Really, you think Percy Jackson is going to be the next Harry potter ?
Never. I read them all, but i don't think there's ever going to be another Harry potter. There can never be anything that created as many fantasies in adults and children as Harry potter. Well, even though you may say that the stories are somewhat similar, nothing can be compared to Harry potter. I mean, I'm not saying that Percy Jackson is bad ! It was nice too, but it got too long. He's been writing too many books together now. Three series is something great, and he is indeed a great writer. But Harry potter will always be Harry potter, and i don't think anything can change that.


message 32: by ShadowOwl (new)

ShadowOwl Fandoms Possibly the best series I've read beside DIVERGENT which is my all time favorite


message 33: by Mary (new)

Mary K I love this book so much it's one of my favorites wish the series continued


message 34: by WitherMisteri (new)

WitherMisteri Lupin was one of my favorites. Just by the mention of his name, a smile widened on my face. I bet you can imagine how I took "the news"




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Spider the Doof Warrior DO NOT GET ME STARTED


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