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message 1: by j (last edited Mar 16, 2011 09:03AM) (new)

j but none of the kids get naked online. which is good, because it would be a very different book.


message 2: by Miriam (new)

Miriam This will probably get me flamed by Ender fans, but based on the other OSC novels I've read he seems to have a thing for naked 12 year olds.


message 3: by j (new)

j i dunno, i think you'd get some funny looks around the movie studio if you were really concerned about staying 100 percent true to the book on that count. some really funny looks.


message 4: by j (last edited Mar 16, 2011 09:12AM) (new)

j Miriam wrote: "This will probably get me flamed by Ender fans, but based on the other OSC novels I've read he seems to have a thing for naked 12 year olds."

interesting... i know i read about one book that is about a sexual relationship between a man and a boy (greek style). Songmaster


message 5: by [deleted user] (new)

Hasn't there been chitter chatter about an Ender movie forever?


message 6: by j (new)

j yeah, it is eternally in production. there's a new script out there now attached to director Gavin Hood (Tsotsi, X-Men Wilverine).


message 7: by Miriam (new)

Miriam In Hart's Hope the "hero" rapes a 12-year-old-girl. It is presented as being about politics and not attraction, but pedophilia aspect was kind of downplayed. And actually the girl is the "bad" character.


message 8: by Jason (new)

Jason ~WordMuncher~ Love this book! Never thought about the nudity... that is funny!


message 9: by Mark (new)

Mark Johansen Yeah, personally I found the child nudity pointless and distasteful. I don't see how it serves any dramatic purpose. Is the author a pedophile or something? What's the point?


message 10: by Miriam (new)

Miriam I thought the same plot device could have been employed without the details.


message 11: by Sandy (new)

Sandy The constant fart references caught my attention as well.


message 13: by j (new)

j saw that. Kid's probably too old but seems ok otherwise. I remain dubious.


message 14: by [deleted user] (new)

Yeah, there's a lot of ways it could go horribly wrong, but it just seems like something that should make a good movie.


message 15: by Malachi (new)

Malachi The book did seem to have a lot of nakedness in it. It didn't seem like the author was obsessed with it, it was just there.


message 16: by Bree (new)

Bree I am reading it right now and although I love this book I have been thinking the same thing. The nakedness seems so random and a strange addition to what is an otherwise fascinating story.


message 17: by Malachi (new)

Malachi Miriam wrote: "I thought the same plot device could have been employed without the details."

The details are what makes the story what it is, though. Things like descriptions, thoughts, and characters, even if they are not a necessary part of the story, develop the world in which the story is placed.

I don't know why Card included all the nudity. Each instance seemed to have naked eight year-olds in it for different reasons, though. It seemed to add to the mentality of the children being so driven to win that they didn't care about little things like killing kids in the showers, or being nude in public.


message 18: by j (new)

j oh, i kind of understand why he did it. you are never more vulnerable than when naked. it was just... odd, because the characters are also so young. i'm sure he was thinking of, like, spartan traditions. but the almost loving descriptions in the shower scene were, well, weird.


message 19: by Irene (new)

Irene Why do so many people care about nudity in books? IT IS TRIVIAL! EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THE LITERATURE AND STORY IS TRIVIAL!!!


message 20: by j (new)

j Irene wrote: "Why do so many people care about nudity in books? IT IS TRIVIAL! EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THE LITERATURE AND STORY IS TRIVIAL!!!"

well, one, i don't think the nudity is really trivial, as OSC obviously included it for a reason, and two, i don't think you understand the part of this review where i'm mostly kidding.


message 21: by [deleted user] (new)

Naked.


message 22: by Sparrow (last edited Mar 31, 2012 06:50PM) (new)

Sparrow Scott wrote: "Hey I have a question. Is this book explicit? Moreover, does it have sexually explicit scenes? Thanks!"


message 23: by Eh?Eh! (new)

Eh?Eh! Nood.


message 24: by Eh?Eh! (new)

Eh?Eh! Sparrow wrote: "Does this book have explicit sex scenes? Thank you."

Hahha! I'm glad you're making sure that guy doesn't have to ask this important question all alone.


message 25: by Sparrow (last edited Mar 31, 2012 06:59PM) (new)

Sparrow Eh?Eh! wrote: "Sparrow wrote: "Does this book have explicit sex scenes? Thank you."

Hahha! I'm glad you're making sure that guy doesn't have to ask this important question all alone."


Yeah, I edited so as not to take credit for curiosity that is not my own.

The nudity in this book is pretty gratuitous, though. I mean, I guess the point is that they're mere pawns, so they aren't allowed the instincts of real people? But, it is still awkward sometimes, what with the jogging and the shower fights.


message 26: by j (new)

j i think they are supposed to be spartan. but it does read oddly.


message 27: by Sparrow (new)

Sparrow Joel wrote: "i think they are supposed to be spartan. but it does read oddly."

Oh that makes sense. I think if there were some acknowledgment, it might be less weird, but a lot of times I felt like it was more, "Oh, btw, we were naked," so visual surprise.


message 28: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Carlsen I wondered about the nudity too, I didn't find it offensive, it was very matter-of-fact, not lewd in any way. Perhaps real soldiers sleep naked?


message 29: by Barakiel (new)

Barakiel "...brought to you by the word naked" - LOL!
Loved the book, but the nudity bothered me too. The way I rationalized it is that the author perhaps wanted to show how children are not aware of their bodies, that they are comfortable with themselves and each other and that they have not yet awakened sexually. That's how I chose to see it anyway. (This does not explain the pubic hair reference and monthly period references...)
If there is really something to this "pedophilia fascination by the author" I might not read his other books...


message 30: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Carlsen My children are 6 and 8 and VERY aware of their bodies. I don't think children are comfortable with each other naked - especially with the varying age groups. I thought of it more as a control thing.


message 31: by Kellyjanemartin (new)

Kellyjanemartin News flash! Not the entire world is ashamed of nakedness, including many developed countries. Americans and Brits tend to take issue most often, but people of many countries have absolutely no problem with it. Maybe even more so in Card's future world. Don't assume the society in the novel is identical to our society, because it's clearly not.


message 32: by j (new)

j News flash! This review is mostly a joke!


message 33: by Jason (new)

Jason Jokes aren't allowed on the Internet, ass hole.


message 34: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I don't even remember the nudity!


message 35: by mark (new)

mark monday i just assumed that Card likes writing about naked kids. gosh who doesn't? that's totally regular.


message 36: by j (new)

j i loved it. more nude 'n slippery shower fights!


message 37: by mark (new)

mark monday just kids being kids! or rather, just Card imagining kids being kids! that's not creepy at all. Card is totally regular. 100% no issues.


message 38: by j (new)

j "ha ha hey you kids look like you are having fun playing in the creek there. why, when i was your age, we loved to swim in the creek! sometimes we would forget our suits but would want to swim so much we would swim naked! do you boys ever do that? swim... naked? do you?"


message 39: by [deleted user] (new)

naked.


message 40: by j (new)

j did someone say naked?

oh wait, it was an adult woman.

never mind.


message 41: by Josh (new)

Josh Gray The point of the nudity is to push the fact that these ARE in fact children. They're not sexual creatures, they're not adults--despite the fact that they're extreemely intelligent and often ACT like adults. OSC might be an awful human being but the nudity in this novel isn't an expression of that. It's just a mechanism he's using to make sure the reader knows that the children in his novel are (albeit hyperintelligent) just children and not in fact a metaphor for adults.


message 43: by Jason (new)

Jason See also: Jailbait


message 44: by Nanette (new)

Nanette Your two points were exactly what I mentioned to my boyfriend when I discussed the book with him yesterday.


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