Amanda’s review of City of Bones (The Mortal Instruments, #1) > Likes and Comments

392 likes · like
Comments (showing 1-50 of 260) (260 new)    post a comment »

♡ Half Blood  Prince ♡ trollololol 3rd World Problems and "iPhone", you lost me there :P


message 2: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Tehe. You know that was a gift from my not-so-3rd world parents. unfortunately I am a big, independent girl now (!-_-)


message 3: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Yeah, I'm not sure how, but people do have different levels of tolerance for plagiarism. Though I'm not certain of any plagiarism in The Mortal Instruments, so I can't really say much on this particular case.


message 4: by Choco (new)

Choco Amazing review! While reading this I was thinking, that's what I wanted to say! But I couldn't say it because I'm usually just too mad when saying anything about Clare, and it comes out as something that doesn't make any sense.


message 5: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Thanks Palice! believe me, I had to step back from my laptop a few times. The thought of potential trolls really helped keep me from being all ragey :P
And I don't know what you're talking about. Your review makes perfect sense to me!


message 6: by Angela (new)

Angela Excellent review. And thank you for the very first link, I'd not seen that before.


message 7: by H99 (new)

H99 *spoilers, do not read this if you haven't read The Mortal Instruments*

Magnus isn't 40, he's more like... a few centuries, I think...


message 8: by Izzat (new)

Izzat Zainal Jace is like the worst male character I've ever read. I don't know what 'asshole' means, but he's just a bad creation of a sarcastic character. He talks shit and when reading his line complimenting himself repetitively whilst insulting others around him, I had to slam my head again and again on a hard surface.

I'm okay with most sarcastic character but not him. And I hate how everyone praises him because, to put this in reality, you can't actually take his character as a positivity. He's like an example of how a bad person gets all the sunshine although he has insulted people, being arrogant, rude and yet people do not care. Even he's considered as the strongest Nephilim or whatever, we can't just let the positivity beautifies all of his negative ones. It's like--you are taking on a bully's side just because he's strong, while all of us should be on the side of the people who gets bullied.


message 9: by Amanda (new)

Amanda H99 wrote: "*spoilers, do not read this if you haven't read The Mortal Instruments*

Magnus isn't 40, he's more like... a few centuries, I think..."

Oh yuck. But isn't that just the rave in YA paranormal/romances? The older a guy is, it seems the less his age matters. Imagine Edward Cullen and Bella... thousands of years old is alright, but if he had been, say, 53, I'd bet there'd be a few ewwwws coming out of readers.


message 10: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Izzat wrote: "Jace is like the worst male character I've ever read. I don't know what 'asshole' means, but he's just a bad creation of a sarcastic character. He talks shit and when reading his line complimenting..."
Oh yeah, Jace was a smug, conceited little thing. I chalked up the way he treated Simon to a mixture of envy and rivalry, rather than any active malicious intent. He was rude and condescending, but I didn't find him abusive, for instance, or a bully or anything. -- which is why I don't consider him an asshole.


message 11: by H99 (new)

H99 Amanda wrote: "H99 wrote: "*spoilers, do not read this if you haven't read The Mortal Instruments*

Magnus isn't 40, he's more like... a few centuries, I think..."
Oh yuck. But isn't that just the rave in YA para..."



Oh, yes... a 53 year age difference is just disgusting, but 5,300 years is totally fine...


message 12: by Christina (new)

Christina Wilder Even Valentine the Villain was ... not much of a villain.

I couldn't agree more. He certainly was no Voldemort, or even a milquetoast version of him. He was just sort of...there.


message 13: by Amanda (last edited Oct 25, 2012 10:11AM) (new)

Amanda Christina wrote: "Even Valentine the Villain was ... not much of a villain.

I couldn't agree more. He certainly was no Voldemort, or even a milquetoast version of him. He was just sort of...there."

I wonder if he becomes more villain-y in the next books, though? Although I really don't want to go on with this series, I'm still morbidly curious.


message 14: by Marie (new)

Marie I don't know that Valentine gets any better...I'm in the middle of the second book, trying to push through, and though I'm less sympathetic to him (having preferred the first book w/ Valentine as hero), but he's just really...dull. Generic.


message 15: by Choco (new)

Choco Amanda, could I link to this review on mine? I just think people should be reading this one...


message 16: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Marie wrote: "I don't know that Valentine gets any better...I'm in the middle of the second book, trying to push through, and though I'm less sympathetic to him (having preferred the first book w/ Valentine as h..."
Shame.... Does anything get any better, though? With soooo many fans of the series, it must have something going on for it. I might continue myself if I can find a free copy :P


Palice wrote: "Amanda, could I link to this review on mine? I just think people should be reading this one..."
Yes you may, Palice, it would be my honour *kowtows


message 17: by Choco (new)

Choco Amanda wrote: "Marie wrote: "I don't know that Valentine gets any better...I'm in the middle of the second book, trying to push through, and though I'm less sympathetic to him (having preferred the first book w/ ..."

Thank you so much. Now they'll come to you and you'll have to deal with the trolls. But don't worry, I'll fight for you.


message 18: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Palice wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Marie wrote: "I don't know that Valentine gets any better...I'm in the middle of the second book, trying to push through, and though I'm less sympathetic to him (having preferred the..."

:O it was a trap! I should've known!


message 19: by Choco (new)

Choco MUAHAHAHAH!
>:D

NobutIWILLDEFENDYOU


message 20: by Marie (new)

Marie I have got to get my review written. I've never had a troll! (view spoiler)

Amanda wrote: "Marie wrote: "I don't know that Valentine gets any better...I'm in the middle of the second book, trying to push through, and though I'm less sympathetic to him (having preferred the first book w/ ..."

Honestly, there are parts of the second book I find rather readable, mostly from Jace's POV, which is kind of funny because I hated his section from the first book and in the second I rather think he's a sociopath. But since they take me so long to read, I feel I'm doing good for the youth of the community, as I can renew them and keep them out of the library for three months at a time.


message 21: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Noooooo! You do not want trolls!! I've only ever had trolls on my Vampire Academy review, and it..... it is horrible! But then again I'm a really sensitive person and my fuse blows up so quickly, I tend to respond to insults in an antagonistic manner. Eh, but you're probably way more easy going than I am and if you can take trollish comments with a grain of salt, it is indeed an entertainment in itself :P

I'll have to wait for your review and decide whether I'll pursue the next book or not! Oh but I hope Jace's POV isn't only there to remind us of how awesome and special he thinks Clary is like what a lot of other YA Romance authors love to do.


message 22: by Marie (new)

Marie I wouldn't mind for City of Bones because I have so little invested in it. I mean, she drives me nuts, but it's silly above all.

Although I once tried to reason with a literate troll on another review and at the end of it, he thanked me for being nice. It's like, umm, not really. I kinda called you stupid up there and just because I didn't use that word doesn't mean I think your opinion is any more valid.


message 23: by Amanda (last edited Oct 26, 2012 11:12AM) (new)

Amanda Also,

But since they take me so long to read, I feel I'm doing good for the youth of the community, as I can renew them and keep them out of the library for three months at a time.

That is such a good point! That way, if a friend sees me with this series and asks wtf I'm doing, reading such claptrap, I can wring my hands and cry: "I'm doing it for the children!!"


message 24: by Christina (new)

Christina Wilder Marie wrote: "I have got to get my review written. I've never had a troll! [spoilers removed]Amanda wrote: "Marie wrote: "I don't know that Valentine gets any better...I'm in the middle of the second book, tryin..."

I agree with you. It was nice being out of Clary's head for a while, but of course, we had to listen to Jace's ogling of her while he was mentally rambling.


message 25: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Christina wrote: "Marie wrote: "I have got to get my review written. I've never had a troll! [spoilers removed]Amanda wrote: "Marie wrote: "I don't know that Valentine gets any better...I'm in the middle of the seco..."


Oh. There is ogling. Of course. Why am I not surprised (-__-i)


message 26: by Natalie (new)

Natalie Great review. I read back her fanfics many many years ago and then found out later about all the plagarism. I actively avoid these books. One note though. You mention that her Jace character is basically the same character as Draco from her fanfics.

The thing is, her Draco in the fanfics bears almost no relation to the character from Harry Potter. Her Draco is Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Blond, saracastic, quotable lines, questionable morals, etc. etc. She also used a number of BtVS and Angel quotes in her fanfics. So really, Jace is Spike and she would be stealing from Joss Whedon.


message 27: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Natalie wrote: "Great review. I read back her fanfics many many years ago and then found out later about all the plagarism. I actively avoid these books. One note though. You mention that her Jace character is bas..."

Yeah, I felt there were Buffy similarities, which is why I mentioned in the review there were bits of Buffy in TMI. I knew about the quotes, (and Buffy & Angel weren't the only sources she used), but as I don't know if those quotes were used in TMI, I felt that was out of place from my review :P

Draco and Jace may be different characters; for instance I doubt Draco would be half as accepting or "approachable" as Jace, but I felt in essence, Clare still tried to replicate a Draco-like aura in Jace (except I think while Rowling made Draco an out-and-out git, Clare made a more likable version of him) -- his "relationship" with his father, for one, and his arrogance and general attitude was another I felt very similar to Draco.


message 28: by Kaitlin (new)

Kaitlin Luksa Amanda wrote: "Imagine Edward Cullen and Bella... thousands of years old is alright, but if he had been, say, 53, I'd bet there'd be a few ewwwws coming out of readers."

No, see it doesn't matter how old he is as long as he doesn't look 53.


message 29: by H99 (new)

H99 Kaitlin wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Imagine Edward Cullen and Bella... thousands of years old is alright, but if he had been, say, 53, I'd bet there'd be a few ewwwws coming out of readers."

No, see it doesn't matter ..."


Ah...good point. The guy has to be hot, and if he is, his age doesn't matter.


message 30: by Alice (new)

Alice I like Kristen Stewart as an actress based on her earlier stuff, but nice review. I did enjoy City of Bones, but I can see what you you were getting at. The problem is with Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and all these other hugely popular young adult fantasy books, it's really hard to be original when it comes to the subject. Even if the author was being genuinely original, it's still going to come off like she's just trying to earn her success off the huge hype.


message 31: by Amanda (last edited Jan 13, 2013 01:46AM) (new)

Amanda Yeah, I understand there are hardly any new or original ideas nowadays, but for me the book just felt too much like others. Particularly Jace; he just felt too much like a less spoilt/evil version of Draco, etc. Even his relationship with his father. And especially considering the Draco Dormiens started off as a fanfic of Harry Potter, it is just all too close for comfort.

And I actually liked Kirsten Stewart in the Panic Room ;)
Her newer works though.... Not so much. Even her acting in Into The Wild was sooo blank.


message 32: by Belinda (new)

Belinda Thanks for this, I agreed with the bulk of what you were saying. There were so many times where I put the book down for a long time and thought how on easth did Clare get published. That said I still enjoyed it.


message 33: by Fly To The Sky (new)

Fly To The Sky What's really crazy is how many fans there are for this series and how Clare keeps coming out with more books. Like, Really? I don't think the books are really worth the money.


message 34: by H99 (last edited Jan 26, 2013 03:44PM) (new)

H99 Draco Malfoy as Jace?

...

*stunned*

NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. I DENY IT. I'm ashamed that I liked this series once. Mortified of it. You CAN'T ruin Draco Malfoy by making him Jace. NO.


message 35: by Amanda (new)

Amanda H99 wrote: "Draco Malfoy as Jace?

...

*stunned*

NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. I DENY IT. I'm ashamed that I liked this series once. Mortified of it. You CAN'T ruin Draco Malfoy by making him Jace. NO."


Ha I know, right.... Draco's an "evil little cockroach" and all, but I love him. Can't say the same for Jace.


message 36: by Cecilia (new)

Cecilia I love this review because everything you said is exactly what I kept thinking while reading this book, except for the Draco Dormiens part which I can't comment on since I haven't read any of Cassandra Clare'a HP fanfics. I did see a lot of parallels between Harry Potter and City of Bones, though.

The inconsistencies and flaws in her writing really bothered me. Not the quality of her style, but the way she built her story and her characters. I couldn't stand the way she *told* us that Clary cares a lot about Simon without *showing* us - because, let's be honest, if I had only paid attention to the way Clary treated Simon in the book, I would not have seen the loving affection she supposedly felt toward him.

And don't get me started on Jace's shift of feelings in the "Valentine" chapter, which was the most unrealistic use of a character's psychology I have ever seen. During this scene, I kept wondering how Clary could possibly refrain herself from hitting Jace, and how could Jace possibly redeem himself, but then he changed his mind faster than I run when someone offers me food. I didn't think she could have done a least realistic turn of events than this one. Kudos on making the plot convenient for you, Clare. Ugh.


message 37: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Thanks, Cecilia :)
Good to know I wasn't the only one who felt Jace's sudden change was unrealistic! And I agree with you on how Clary treated Simon. I never mentioned it in my review because I forgot under all the other issues I had with the book :p so thanks for bringing that up!


message 38: by Maddie (new)

Maddie This will be hard for me because, unlike the rest of you it seems, I am a Mortal Instruments fan. Hiwever, like the rest of you I am going to try to be calm and collected throughout my little review. If I ever seem rude and/or hatedul, forgive me please.
So, first off: the plagarism issue. I honestly cannot say whether or not Clare copied previous authors writings. However, would you not think that her editor, the hundreds of critics, and thoses authors that she "copied" from would not have mentioned/noticed it?
My second issue, several of you stated yoir dislike for Jace. While that is your own personol opinion, I would like to state mine. Yes, Jace is snarky, sarcastic, and rude; but that is his character. As you read through the series you realize why he is the way he is and you understand. I truly do not believe that you can make a judgement of ancharacter when you have only read the first (or up to the second) book. In series I have read previously, I have not been able to stand cartain characters but as I continue reading the series I see their flaws and shortcomings as well as their abilities. It gives you a bond.
Another thing, how can you honestly give your full opinion on a book series when you haven't even read it all? I felt the first book was good, the second O.K., the third amazing and so on. I believe, wothout a shadow of a doubt, that unless you have read the entire series, you cannot consider this a review on the Mortal Instruments Seriez. It could be considered a review on City of Bones, but that is as far as I would put it down as.
Something else to nibble on, is that while somethings in COB are a but on the crazy side, it is what helps the book become more interesting, as you read the ENTIRE series. Some of you have complained about the ending, about how Jave changed a lot when he was around Valentine. How would expect one to act as he reunites with his father, whom he thought was dead, has to choose between his father and what he has known all his life, and finds out he is in love with his little sister? If that happened to me, I believe I would be acting strange.
About Valentine not being villianous (I am not even sure if that is a word) enough, you met.Valetine for about 1/2 of a chapter in which you actually read dialougue where he was speaking. I am sorry if you felt that Clare did not fill enough villian time in her novel. I would imagine that after writing a couple hundred pages she might want to end the first book and penetrate further into what evil things Valentine did in future novela. After all, what is the fun in figuring out every secret of the series right off the bat? I guarentee that Clare kept some tricks up her sleeves and kept the series interesting enough to have thousands, perhaps.hundreds of thousandz, of fans. Mmm, there is something I forgot...Oh yeah! I forgot to mention that directors and producers found this book good enough to make it into a movie. Most of the time, producers do not waste their money on making movies from books with poor plot arrangments.
While.I coukd go on and on about how I disagree with all of your present disgust for TMI, I will not. If I could give a bit of advice, it would be this: Read the entire series before you make judgements about the whole series. Also do not allow your suspiscion of plagarism affect your reading experience.
Last thing, some of you may have read the entire series so far that is available, to you I say: " Write your reviews with as much respect as you can muster up." For the rest of you that have only read 1/5 (soon to be 1/6) of the TMI series, or perhaps 2/5. I say this, " Finish the series befire you start making reviews on the entire series from your single book experience."
I lied, this is the fina, little bit. While I understand that sometimes books can become a bit boring at parts, sometimes these are the parts you need to pay attention to. Also, while many of you have "sneaking suspiscions" of Clare plagarizing, you have no proof. Therefore, you need to be careful of what you post on the internet. It would be an awful thing to ruin Clare's writing career if it was not true but people made up things. Just remember, without your solid proof, all you have is theories, which shoukd be kept.in mind, but not enough to discourage any kind of enjoyment from your reading experience. With that, I will sign off, and encourage anyone to send acomment my way about my post. I will check up on this page ,for tne next week or so.


message 39: by Marie (new)

Marie You know Maddie, it's a good rule of thumb that when you have that much to say in response to someone's review, you should write your own review.


message 40: by Choco (last edited Feb 25, 2013 11:58AM) (new)

Choco Okay, what the hell? No one wants to read that.

(But the first thing you mentioned? HahahaHA, no they didn't care because Clare had a fandom and that meant sales.)


message 41: by Marie (new)

Marie Clare's sales have not been harmed at all by the plagiarism talk (unfortunately).

Can I just say though, I tried reading the second book, for an agreement with a friend, and I didn't even get halfway through until I had to quit before it drove me completely INSANE.


message 42: by Martine (new)

Martine Maddie wrote: "Also, while many of you have "sneaking suspiscions" of Clare plagarizing, you have no proof. Therefore, you need to be careful of what you post on the internet. It would be an awful thing to ruin Clare's writing career if it was not true but people made up things. Just remember, without your solid proof, all you have is theories, which shoukd be kept.in mind, but not enough to discourage any kind of enjoyment from your reading experience."

Actually, no. No, there is proof that Cassandra Clare plagiarized, it is just incredibly hard to find because she calls her lawyer everytime she finds that stuff. (For example the plagiarism is still mentioned in the German version of her wikipedia site.) Also, I don't believe in having to read an entire series to review the very first book of said series. Because the first installment of a book series usually deals a lot with introducing characters and if Cassandra Clare fails to do so properly, well, when exactly is she going to do that? The third novel? The forth maybe?
Also, if one didn't like the first books why keep on reading? Assuming that in the following novels the reader finds the same examples of lazy writing and infodump (which can also be found in her Infernal Devices series), said reader will keep on writing negative reviews as it is their right. And in that case, another Cassandra Clare fan will show up and complain 'Why do you read it if you don't like it? Ew, you're just here to spread hate'.
So, sorry darling but I found this review incredibly eloquent and the reviewer made good arguments, I think she is fully qualified to comment this book. You however do not have the right to tell anyone how many books of a series other people are supposed to read or not.


message 43: by Natalie (new)

Natalie Martine wrote: "Maddie wrote: "Also, while many of you have "sneaking suspiscions" of Clare plagarizing, you have no proof. Therefore, you need to be careful of what you post on the internet. It would be an awful ..."

Proof of plagarism:

http://www.journalfen.net/community/b...

Granted it is in her fanfiction, which is why most people think it doesn't count, but to me it speaks to her character.


message 44: by Marie (new)

Marie Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's no discernible plagiarism in her published work, but that doesn't speak to her past or to her ethics. I didn't catch many of the Harry Potter/Star Wars references, but what offended me most in CoB and the first half of the second book was that there was no heart or enthusiasm in the writing.


message 45: by Choco (new)

Choco Well, personally I think there is plagiarism in City of Bones, because there are actual passages that have been taken from her fanfiction. I don't really like the "fanfic was hers though!" argument, because her writing back then was based on JKRowling's, and she had millions of other books (some out of publication) that she had stolen ideas from.


message 46: by Marie (new)

Marie That I hadn't remembered. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that's not considered actionable, which I why I wasn't going with that part. I still don't find it defensible.


message 47: by Maddie (new)

Maddie It appears that I have insulted and offended many of you which was not my goal at all. Forgive me if I appeared hateful, I do not want to be characterized that way. About the fanfiction plagarism, it happened 10 years ago and it was fanfiction. She was not going on trying to make a profit of it and since fanfictionnis basically stories people event


message 48: by Amanda (last edited Apr 01, 2013 05:16PM) (new)

Amanda Maddie wrote: "It appears that I have insulted and offended many of you which was not my goal at all. Forgive me if I appeared hateful, I do not want to be characterized that way. About the fanfiction plagarism, ..."

Hi Maddie! First of all I want to thank you for at least keeping things civil even though we're obviously not going to see eye to eye here.

First, the plagiarism. For me, it doesn't matter if TMI doesn't contain any plagiarism at all - the fact still stands that she plagiarized in her fanfic, which even though is not for profit, it still counts as plagiarism. Especially as she had a wide audience and was very influential and well-known in the fandom. The worst part is that she never took accountability nor even apologized for her plagiarism. Turning someone with those kind of writing ethics into a published writer, for me is unacceptable. It would be like giving a doctorate's degree to someone who plagiarized in their bachelor's thesis - doesn't matter how long ago it happened, it still happened.

As for your belief that people can only judge a book after reading an entire series.... We're just going to have to disagree on that one. Readers are not obligated to make it convenient for an author. We are allowed to pick up a book in a series, at any number, and make a valid judgement on that particular book. This is, after all, a review of City of Bones, and not a review of the entire TMI series. So even if the characters do a complete 180 and change into THE most spectacular people that ever lived on paper, if they didn't cut it for me in this particular book, that is still valid criticism on my part.


message 49: by Maddie (new)

Maddie Sorry! i accidentally pressed submit!
Anyways, fanfiction is stories people write based on previous books they have read and movies or shows they have seen. That kinda sounds to me that since that is what fanfiction is, anyine writing it should be considered a plagarizer. Which they aren't.
Also, I was not trying to "tell" people what they should read. That is your own right and you can enjoy whatever book you desire. All I was saying was that it isn't fair to consider this a Mortal Instruments review if you are only discussing all the parts you hated in City of Bones.
Many of you made some other comments that I'm not going to go into, because I do not want this to become as long as my previous remark.
One thing I will say, rather rudely, is this: The girl that said, " If you had this much to say, right your own review..." There are several other MI review boards in which I give my opinion, and I am sorry that you cannot read all my wonderful opinions that I am sure you would enjoy, because I actually have a life. I hope that is a tough pill to swallow Darling.


message 50: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Maddie wrote: "Sorry! i accidentally pressed submit!
Anyways, fanfiction is stories people write based on previous books they have read and movies or shows they have seen. That kinda sounds to me that since that ..."


Maddie, the fact it was fanfic doesn't make it plagiarism -- she copies entire paragraphs out of different books and dialogue from tv series, and did not credit the original authors, and inserted them into her fanfic -- and that is where all this "plagiarism" talk is coming from.

And as I've said, this isn't a review of TMI the series. Only a review of the first book in the series.


« previous 1 3 4 5 6
back to top