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message 1: by Erica (new)

Erica Oh, Kenny. You have to read these things *before* you know they are Christian Allegories. It helps, for example, to be a Tiny Child, delighted with talking animals, and thrilled with the idea of Portals To Another World. Also, I really really liked the bit where Father Christmas shows up and has special presents for everybody, but that's of a piece with being fascinated with world-building, things with moving pieces, and tailored-gift-giving (especially if the gifts are magical.)

Prince Caspian has an awesome bit where they're raising an army and recruiting trees and there's a party and all the trees are eating *dirt*...but the descriptions make it sound like *really awesome delicious dirt*.

Other Things Of Note: The first book, The Magician's Nephew, is about the creation of Narnia as a world, and bits of it are very similar to the opening of Silmarillion (with biblical echoes in both, obviously).

Susan ends up getting sort-of banned from Narnia because she "grows up" too much (ie, has forgotten Narnia and is more interested in Make Up and Boys than in the imaginary world she saw as a kid). There's really great essay someone wrote on how this is super unfair called "The Problem of Susan."

I hated The Last Battle. I still hadn't worked out that it was an Allegory at the time, but I hated it anyway because it was THAT OBNOXIOUS.


message 2: by Kenny (new)

Kenny why did you read more than one of these books(I barely finished 2)/how dare you compare the Silmarillion and Narnia?


message 3: by Erica (new)

Erica IT'S JUST THAT THEY BOTH STARTED THEIR WORLDS WITH SINGING. No comparison, otherwise. Also, I think it's interesting because they were...huh, just looked this up. I guess they were friends, but Tolkien didn't care for Narnia. Anyway, mutual influence, and I kind of wonder if the Music Creates The World thing was a broader theological metaphor or if it was something they'd talked about or what. (I'm sure there are books out there on this.)


message 4: by Nathaniel (new)

Nathaniel Kenny I am so very disappointed in the manner of how you interpret this imaginative story. You would say, imagination in this story is pointless. You are wrong. It is the very imagination of this story that makes it what it to so many, inspirational. The world in which we live has set the idea that imagination is pointless. Our society is very harsh and difficult. In some cases there is nothing left for people hope for in the literal world, so they turn to dreams and imagination. So, when you say that "the conclusion is foregone," it is obvious were only reading words, and not ideas. You saw this book as black and white lettering on pages, which is why you have failed to agree with thousands of believers in dreams, that this book is a story for the multitudes to give people the world which they could not otherwise have. Others should read this book for themselves and then decide whether or not to agree with you and read the words, or imagine and believe the ideas.
-Nathaniel


message 5: by Guy (last edited Jan 15, 2013 07:35PM) (new)

Guy Thank you, thank you, thank you! I laughed at the absolute correctness of your description, Kenny. And I laughed because it is nice to see that I am not the only person on the planet who thought this to be basically a horribly written thinly disguised propaganda. Even as a child, when I tried ready it 4 or 5 times because of the appearance of imagination in it, I didn't like that felt contrived. Now, an adult, I would say this was an thinly disguised deus ex machina.


message 6: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Why would you think that this was a bad book? I thought it was fantastic!!


message 7: by Guy (new)

Guy Ah, Sarah, why indeed? For individuals to be unique and, well, individual, means a diversity of likes. And why diversity at all? Well, that's a lot tougher to answer, but it seems that diversity is a pre-condition of being born into the natural world.


message 8: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Speak English


message 9: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Please


message 10: by Guy (last edited Jan 19, 2013 09:01PM) (new)

Guy From your library I'm guessing you are young, Sarah. It has taken me 50 years to learn English, and I'm still learning. So, with as much gentleness as I can muster in the hard cold format that written words confer, continue to learn English. It is perhaps the most difficult of all languages to learn, but is also in many ways the most dance-able. You have the opportunity to learn to make it soar with the bravest of eagles, or lay dormant as the most active of sloths. LoL. I love the English language, how it can be made to be anything. Which is maybe why I didn't like the Narnia books: they made English drivel.


message 11: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Sorry I didn't know


message 12: by Guy (new)

Guy No problem. English is a lifelong adventure.


message 13: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I know


message 14: by Sarah (new)

Sarah It took me a while to learn it to I was 4 years when I finally learned who to speak correctly


message 15: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I mean TOO


message 16: by Jalynn (new)

Jalynn I think it's important to remember that these books were written with children in mind....what appeals to their young minds may not exactly appeal to that of someone more mature. I don't think it means we should judge the whole series as crap. My nieces and nephews are very young and these books are exactly what appeals to their little imaginations...anything that can encourage little kids to enjoy reading I'm all for.


message 17: by Drew (new)

Drew Graham False. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but yours is wrong. Sorry!


message 18: by Star (new)

Star I don't see why a ton of adults go around reading children's books then criticizing dialogue and Christian allegory. My parents read this too me when I was a kid and like most kids I was too caught up in the talking animals to care about the dialogue. As an adult you might criticize this book for that but then honestly why are bothering too even read it?


message 19: by Rudi (new)

Rudi Bracaglia So we have Guy who is literally so sanctimonious that he has dubbed himself the Master of All That is English and of Everything In Between and then we have the rest of the half wits trashing Narnia, a children's series, because of its Christian overtones. To which I give a hearty and with aplomb "piss off".


message 20: by Rudi (new)

Rudi Bracaglia If you don't like something written by someone who Tolkien considered a friend and colleague and you can't appreciate the good such stories teach children then really why do you bother at all?


message 21: by Romanempire (new)

Romanempire Drew, you are an idiot. Sorry but that is true.


message 22: by Drew (new)

Drew Graham HA HA, nice one. And actually completely untrue. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation!


message 23: by Romanempire (new)

Romanempire And thank you for wasting my time. I just feel bad for the people in your life.. Good day!


message 24: by Drew (new)

Drew Graham You're welcome, and there's really no need.

Thanks again for your contribution of nothing! But at least you managed to use some punctuation this time, nice to know you're actually capable of that.


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