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message 1: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy I'm still trying to read this but finding it so annoying..the more info we get on the factions, how their society works, the personalities of the characters the more I'm finding it hard to believe..it's all so ridiculous:(


message 2: by Yael (new)

Yael Itamar The whole book could be summarized like this:

Tris and Four = soap opera
secondary characters = expendable
villains = what do you mean, "evil" isn't a personality?
technology = overly convenient and ridiculous
premise = shut up and go with it


Crystal Starr Light Ferdy wrote: "the more info we get on the factions, how their society works, the personalities of the characters the more I'm finding it hard to believe..it's all so ridiculous:( "

Same with me! In the beginning of this book, I had a particularly hard time. Every time a Faction would do something that was very "Faction-like", I would stop and go, "Uh, really?"

Yael wrote: "Tris and Four = soap opera
secondary characters = expendable
villains = what do you mean, "evil" isn't a personality?
technology = overly convenient and ridiculous
premise = shut up and go with it "


LOL, I think my favorite one is "villains = what do you mean, "evil" isn't a personality?"!! Jeanine was such a silly villain. I think Roth tried to make her not such a mustache-twirling villain, but the torture sequences really smarted of classic Bond-villain!

I didn't mention it in my review, but did anyone else think that Candor NOT shooting the Erudite-disguised Dauntless crawling between buildings on a ladder was dumb? They didn't look up and notice a bunch of people getting into Erudite HQ until Fernando almost fell?? Really?


message 4: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Finally finished, it felt like such a chore and I hate how everything was black and white when it came to characters actions and personalities..the ending was a bit more entertaining but the 'big secret' was disappointing.
I hate Four/Tobias soo much, I can't believe the way he treated Tris after having so recently watching her parents die brutally and coping with killing a friend..instead of being supportive and kind all he did was berate her, judge her and lie to her..Even when she apologised he still didnt accept her apology and he just made an already depressed, suicidal and vunreable girl feel worse..ugh..and it annoyed me that he didn't apologise for keeping secrets yet Tris did and she just accepted that she did something wrong yet didn't expect him to apologize for keeping things from her..and then at the end when he does give a lame two sentance apology for not trusting her he gets forgiven straight away..she should have made him suffer like he did her.
I hate these effing YA books where the guy acts all cold and dick-ish for ages for some imagined slight and then treats the heroine like dirt..and then when the guy gives a rubbish apology the heroines just forgives them instantly because their just grateful that their not been treated like crap. And looking at reviews most readers seem to be happy with this because apparently even if a guy acts like a huge douche it's all forgiven and forgotten because he's 'soo hawt' and becuase the guys says he loves her at the end so that makes all his past actions and behaviour excusable.
These authors are starting to make me sick in the way they potray relationships. I'm certain most of these authors are really writing their own fanfic about their teenage years..where their a natural beauty who's strong yet feminine, who's selfless and who's forgiveness and compassion makes them oh so desirable, who gets the bad boy everyone wants but who's previously never wanted to be a one girl kind of guy, all the other girls are sluts or not as good as the heroine..I strongly suspect that this is their way of coping with being unpopular at school, and having an unrequited crush on the best looking guy and hating all the popular girls for not including them in their hectic social life..it's like their living vicariously through their heroines and their books are their second chance at school.


Crystal Starr Light Ferdy wrote: "Finally finished, it felt like such a chore and I hate how everything was black and white when it came to characters actions and personalities..the ending was a bit more entertaining but the 'big secret' was disappointing.
I hate Four/Tobias soo much"


Yeah, what was with the black/white thing? I mean, the whole point of being Divergent was to see outside your faction, right? So why the "Erudite = Bad Guy"?

As for the Four/Tris dynamic...ugh. I actually liked them in "Divergent" because they WEREN'T THAT couple you see so often in YA. Their romance didn't dominate the story (one of the things I didn't like about "Insurgent"). They met and fell in love in a fairly natural, casual, not overdramatic way.

And then we have "Insurgent". The one where Tris acts like an idiot, Four whines about Tris acting like an idiot (a la Edward Cullen) and b!tches about her hiding secrets, and Tris takes it all with nary a complaint to HIS HUGE secrets. NOT ACCEPTABLE.

In my opinion, Tris handles it better than 99% of other YA heroines. At least she actually talks back to Four on a few occasions (I found this really awesome quote about him trusting her...maybe I need to post it, if I can find it again). However, that doesn't mean that the off-balanced relationship is acceptable.

Four does NOT own Tris; instead of whining about the secrets she's kept, he ought to be comforting her over her loss (I mean, she hid Will's death because it hurt so bad!). Instead of making excuses for his own behavior or leaving Tris out, he ought to be treating her like an equal partner in their relationship. But I guess expecting equality in a dating relationship is expecting too much *snort*


message 6: by Ferdy (last edited Jun 04, 2012 11:20AM) (new)

Ferdy The factions were just ridiculous..I was able to overlook it in the first book but with this one I couldn't buy into the nonesense..it's just an impossible premise..if Tris and co weren't human and were a completely different species I could believe in the whole black and white faction system..but even the most boring and shallow humans have a range of emotions and beliefs. People don't have it in them to always be 100% selfless or brave or honest or peaceful or studious..humans are full of contradictions and suprises.. noone is constant.
I liked Tris calling Four out on his beahviour but I was pissed that she forgave him staright away after everything he did.. I hated his stupid excuse that he just needed reminding again of who she was..really?? he needed reminding of who Tris was when it'd been no more than a week or two when she chose to save his life over hers and when she also chose to sacrifice herself for all the divergents..ugh..so does that mean Tris is going to have to make grand gestures every week so he doesn't forget who she is. Four/Tobias was a weak hero.
I agree Tris is better than most YA heroines but I think she should have dumped him for being a rubbish boyfriend.. If 2 members of my family had been violently killed in front of my eyes and then I'd had my boyfriend bitching at me a mere few days later I'd tell him to piss off and I'd never look back..because like most girls in the real world I'd know I'm worth more than that.


Crystal Starr Light The Factions and their single-mindedness continues to be a tripping point to me.

What makes fantasy or scifi or any book really work is its Willing Suspension of Disbelief. I agree to ignore the facts if the author at least gives a semi-plausible reason for the events in the book. I don't need scientific abstracts or major papers, just a simple explanation of what is going on.

The problem occurs when you ask someone to just believe that the human condition is vastly different from what people normally experience without explaining why. If Roth had said that these people were genetically engineered to adhere to one virtue, or if they were aliens, or if they were being drugged, I would then be able to believe that yes, you could have a society where people are put into strict categories for their Faction and that people who have more than one virtue are special.

But Roth didn't do that. She just made up a society and then ran with it. How am I supposed to believe Divergent are so special, when 100% of the people I meet would fall into multiple Factions? And also, how does it make sense for a society to be composed of these Factions, but teenagers choose what Faction to join when they are 16? Factions aren't genetically inherited, and also, it seems to be inviting loads of conflict (between family loyalty and Faction loyalty).

I think it would be absolutely awesome to have a book where a MC (such as Tris) completely dumped her loser boyfriend (such as Four) for being a d!ck. Why can't YA books do that more???


message 8: by Isis (new)

Isis Oh you are so right, that's just what I've been saying for years. Samuel Taylor Coleridge wrote that the onus for willing suspension of disbelief fell on the writer, not the reader.


message 9: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Crystal Starr Light wrote: "The Factions and their single-mindedness continues to be a tripping point to me.

What makes fantasy or scifi or any book really work is its Willing Suspension of Disbelief. I agree to ignore the ..."


IKR..it's easier for me to believe in aliens, magic, werewolves and vampires than this..Roth creates an impossible society..humans would never have just one defining characterisitic..it's nonesensical. Even though I didn't like this I'm curious to see how it ends..I won't be wasting my money on the series though..I'll prob just flick through at the library or borrow from a friend.
I can't wait for the day a YA author is brave enough to have the heroine dump the main male love interest for being a douche and a half..and then have the heroine end up playing the field and shock, horror acting like a normal teenage girl who wants to explore her sexuality and is not longing to find true love at age 16/17 or 18.


message 10: by Lee (new)

Lee Coleman great review. your negative points were spot on. i never thought about it until i read your review, but it is curious tris is the MC and not four. i am in total agreement with the constant overuse of serum, simulation, and dauntless traitor. i was laughing out loud to see a review point that out.


Crystal Starr Light Aw, thank you!! It was so weird to have Tris be the MC when she does so little - Four is so much more of a leader. And I got soooooo tired of reading the words serum, simulations and Dauntless Traitors!! :)


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