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message 1: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Robins I agree. I actually think less of him having read most of it than I did before I started, and I say that as someone who has been an Apple fan and user for 20 years now.


message 2: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Spreen Andrew wrote: "I agree. I actually think less of him having read most of it than I did before I started, and I say that as someone who has been an Apple fan and user for 20 years now."
It's a bummer, huh, Andrew? Such an awesome leader, yet so flawed. But that ending got me. Finally, in the end, the poor guy realized he couldn't beat death. Thanks for commenting.


message 3: by Anirban, (new)

Anirban, Freeman in Real Who's a Scientist?Who tries to keep balance between human-being & tech & Who can be leader? That person who shows the way.SJ is that kinda lord.Some times he looks like an arrogant.Walter's pen shows how a hero seems like a zero."With great power comes great responsibility"+ comes huge criticism too.


message 4: by Renee (new)

Renee Andrew wrote: "I agree. I actually think less of him having read most of it than I did before I started, and I say that as someone who has been an Apple fan and user for 20 years now."
I agree with your statement Andrew.....I'm only about 200 pages in but I can't shake how horribly manipulative the man was and treated everyone like the gum under his shoe....oh wait, he rarely wore shoes for the first half of his life....lol!


message 5: by Elaine (new)

Elaine So brilliant and so flawed... Kinda just makes him human... Doesn't it?


message 6: by Renee (new)

Renee Elaine wrote: "So brilliant and so flawed... Kinda just makes him human... Doesn't it?"

Yes it does indeed make him human but what really has bugged me through the course of reading this book, is that he constantly manipulated everyone he came in contact with and believed everyone else was flawed. My issue is that so many people hold him up to be some sort of god. Simply stated....he was an absolute jerk.


message 7: by Vikas (new)

Vikas Patil wow..what a reaview...I am yet to read this book. And about SJ, though, he created some of the greatest products in the history of mankind, changed the industry entirely, this might make him a genius or a great innovator or leader, but not a great human being. He would definately fall short there. And i guess he never cared about it.


message 8: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Spreen Thanks for the compliment, Vikas! It's interesting that SJ had that aspect to his personality. The author WI was interviewed on Fareed's show and WI said same thing I did: future CEOs shouldn't take away that being an @$$**** is necessary to succeed in biz. Best wishes.


message 9: by Vikas (new)

Vikas Patil Absolutley right !!! Thanks !


message 10: by Mark (new)

Mark Cameron After completing his biography one can only surmise the real impact he could have had in the world if philanthropy had been one of his strengths. No doubt a brilliant man , unfortunately we all live with critical flaws and every step we take should improve our lives and someone elses because the benefits are mutually rewarding. He was a master in one arena.


message 11: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Spreen Hi Mark, good point. Steve Jobs was a master in ONE arena. You only gave it 3 stars; does that mean you weren't that impressed or just sort of lukewarm about the book, or did it have particular flaws in your opinion?
I'm just curious.


message 12: by Sid (new)

Sid When a person pushes people do their best, be their best, is that person a good or bad?

And the fact that his outcomes bought happiness to a lot more other people - does it make him bad? or a jerk? as you call him.


message 13: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Spreen His pushing people was good. The gratuitous meanness was incomprehensible. The two were not related. He was a jerk, and he produced good things. Neither detracts from the other.


message 14: by Sid (new)

Sid "The two were not related."

Actually, I am saying both are related. If he wasn't driven to what he thought was right and in the process, rejecting everything bad/ugly with the ferocity that he did, and extremely focussed on the outcome, he would not have been able to help create the stuff he did.

Both are intricately linked.


message 15: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Spreen I don't agree. I'll give you some examples:

He lied to people. He ripped them off, literally. He denied them legitimate pay and benefits and then insulted them when they demanded that which he had guaranteed them by contract. He stood people up without explanation, having asked them to meet; the latter were not employees. He mused to a third party, while in the company of his wife, that he still wondered if he should have married a previous girlfriend. The list goes on but you get my point. These behaviors did not cause his entrepreneurial greatness.


message 16: by Sid (new)

Sid We can argue over and over about this, but we may not agree eventually.

What am I trying to say? His good does not exist without his bad (whatever that was), with his employees or not. If he did not lie in those occasions, the history would be altered and the outcomes would have been different. Do you think he would have been an entrepreneur if he didn't do any of those things he did or give us what we have today? I honestly don't think so. We would have something completely different, if he was less mean or didn't lie in those occasions.

Can you understand that?

On the legitimate pay and benefits stuff, which contract are you talking about? Are you talking about Daniel Kottke? Are there details about the contract in the book - I didn't see any. Daniel Kottke was *expecting* to get stocks because he was one of the "founders", but he did not have "skin in the game". He was a contractor, in it for the money. I can see why Steve did what he did.

And on the musing to the third party, would you rather Steve was dishonest to his soulmate? Tell W Isaacson in private and shock Laurene when she finally saw it in the book? Of course, I don't believe Laurene would be shocked either way.


message 17: by Monica (new)

Monica What a great review, Lynne. As always, sharp, catching, and attentive to the details that really matter. I especially liked your personal remarks in the end. It's hard to say if Steve would have approved... but I certainly did! ;-)


message 18: by Lucas (new)

Lucas Teo It's a package and I am so glad many under him accepted the package though not happy about it. Ultimately, they appreciate him and glad to be part of the journey with this crazy genius.


message 19: by Kelly (new)

Kelly Might I recommend everyone read some Atlas Shrugged. Nuff said.


message 20: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Spreen Kelly, I did. I discovered Atlas Shrugged in my teens, and it was a lifeline for me. I think I must have reread it a dozen times (although I admit I never got through the lecture about the dollar). Although as a political moderate I disagree with Rand's pure objectivism, I still took away a terrific lesson: the sanction of the victim. (I think this is why I've always loved the last thing said by the computer in War Games: the only way to win is not to play.)


message 21: by David (new)

David Great review. Only 25% done. Is changing my opinion of Jobs for the worse, but still love apple products.


message 22: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Spreen Thanks, David. I think the book was well worth my time, warts and all. I think you'll be glad you read the whole thing. And Jobs was just a man with all the glory and difficulty that implies, but unlike most of us mortals he had a genius streak.


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