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message 1: by Bookworm (new)

Bookworm YES! Someone who finally understands the point I've been trying to get my friends to see!


message 3: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Scarlet wrote: "E wrote: "http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.c..."

I would say Rose deserves the "shaming""


Thanks, I personally believe in calling it what it is. If a girl's a bitch, she's a bitch. If a guy's a dick, he's a dick.

E wrote: "http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.c..."

Sorry, but I'm not a believer of not using certain words for the sake of women's empowerment (I'm NOT saying I don't support women's empowerment, of course). Neither am I attaching negative/positive values towards being a slut. It's just a simple word that describes a person. Like saying someone's bossy.


message 4: by Wulfette (new)

Wulfette Noire Haha same here, I kept cringing on how HOT she kept saying she was. While Bella in Twilight kept asking why Edward would EVER be with her plain-self (also damn repetitive), Rosa was the total opposite. I like Lissa though, her character gets more interesting as the book progress. And ugh... best friends that spied on one another? Vampires more worried about reputation and cliques in school???


message 5: by Jo-A (new)

Jo-A You summed up Every-Little-Problem I had with this book. Love it. Although I must say... there is nothing wrong with being a "slut" ;-)


message 6: by Amanda (new)

Amanda We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. Let me rephrase that, there's nothing wrong with being a "slut" --it's just not for me. What irked me about Rose was that she was one of those "promiscuous girls" and yet she (1) Hated to be called out on it, and (2) Talked down the "blood-whores" like she was any better than them.

I say, if you're a slut, you're a slut. Love it or leave it, hun. Kinda like being a bitch. Either fess up or stop acting like one.


message 7: by Eryn (new)

Eryn i think ur slutshamings refering to the girls who u say "throw themselves out at any white boy." they have every right to if they want


message 8: by Amanda (new)

Amanda *sigh* Well this is a bit out of context from the review but if you insist...

This is why you should never butt in to something unless you're aware of the social context.

Yes, those girls are sluts. You want to tell me they're not? What else do you call that sort of behaviour? It's a word, and it means something, so I use it to describe people.
Are you troubled by my use of the word "slut", or are you troubled by me calling people out on it?

BUT!!! it's not their sluttiness that makes me give them zero respect. As I ALSO said in my review, I have a lot of slutty friends and I love them. They're amazing people. I'm pro pre-marital sex myself, whatever.

It's also not even their apparent choice in sexing white men and white men only that grates on my nerves.

Really, it's why they do it. Foreigners - specifically caucasians - are like a novelty to them. They're like a trophy. It's like, omigosh I sexed a white guy. I'm sooooo cool. How many Americans can I bed this weekend?

And that, sweetheart, is why I cannot tolerate them.

This, you also have to understand, coming from a country that's been trying to "free itself" from Western dominance. They complain about being dominated and undermined by the "1st World", yet on the other hand they behave as if they completely want to be dominated.


message 9: by Bianca (new)

Bianca Lol. I'm discouraged to read this book.


message 10: by E (new)

E DB I didn't even see this discussion until just now! Oops.

My issue isn't with your use of the word "slut" but with your degradation of other girls, including the character of the book. "Immense cheapness" is a type of insult that accompanies negative ideas about sluttiness. So although you present yourself as being neutral about the word, and although it may not be your intention, it seems to me that you're using language that is used to shame women into specific types of conduct (i.e. only having certain types of sex, feeling ashamed of desire, etc.).

Now obviously I'm in a pretty different (and very Western) context, but your comment on October 18 suggests that the real problem is acceptance of a certain type of imperialism (in this case a sexual expression of imperial dominance/submission), which you see these girls as accepting. But why mix all this slut-shaming language into your anti-Western argument? It seems to me (again, limited in/by my own context) that the girls you're talking about are less likely to listen to what you're saying if they're told that they're bad/dirty/cheap. Isn't the real problem something bigger and deeper than that? It seems to me that all this talk of "sluts" is getting in the way of examining that bigger truth. But again, this is just my opinion.

To bring the conversation back to Vampire Academy: yes, Rose is hypocritical, but I think her hypocrisy is a really effective expression of the taboos of the world she lives in. I think she's disgusted by the "blood whores" both because she's been raised to feel that way and also because she's in an unprivileged – even oppressed – position in her society. She is scared that she will be devalued as much as the "blood whores" are. So her hypocrisy, while not exactly admirable, is really very human. These contradictions are, to me, what make a character feel real, since real people are profoundly contradictory and hypocritical in their beliefs and desires.

Of course that doesn't mean that you should like the character, or the book. But it does make for some interesting discussion!


message 11: by Scarlet (last edited Nov 05, 2011 07:47PM) (new)

Scarlet I swear, I am so tired of hearing the word slut-shaming.

My issue isn't with your use of the word "slut" but with your degradation of other girls, including the character of the book

We arent the ones "degrading" other girls, or the character in this book, THEY are degrading themselves by their own actions, we're just pointing out what we observe. People have the right to do whatever they want, sure, but they shouldn't get so angry when others call them out for it.

Say there was a male character who flirted and made out with a bunch of girls and acted very inappropriately (perhaps even trying to get in their pants a few times). He would be what's called a player. You wouldn't have any problem with that word, would you? Because its true.

Its the same concept with girls.


message 12: by E (new)

E DB Hi Scarlet,

My problem isn't with the word slut being used. My objection is to the idea that a promiscuous person (male or female) is inherently degrading themselves by being promiscuous. I object to the use of "slut" as a term that suggests that women are worthless if they engage in promiscuous behavior.

I do see a distinction between the words "slut" and "player." The first is most often used as an insult. The second is often used in a complementary or at least neutral context. "Slut" is usually used to refer to women; "player" is generally used to refer to men.

While you personally may find both equally reprehensible (male and female promiscuousness), men generally experience fewer social consequences for their promiscuity. A "player" will not be denied access to birth control or told that he "deserved" an assault (violent or sexual) because of his clothes or past conduct. However, a "slut" does face negative social consequences. Women are often punished socially for their promiscuity; men rarely are. While there is nothing inherently wrong with using a word, I do find it troubling when they're used to enforce a double standard, and one that can be very harmful to women (especially in the case of rape, e.g. "Well, she's a slut, so she must have wanted it").


message 13: by Scarlet (last edited Nov 05, 2011 11:11PM) (new)

Scarlet I do see a distinction between the words "slut" and "player." The first is most often used as an insult. The second is often used in a complementary or at least neutral context

Wait, wait, wait...since when was calling someone player a compliment? It isnt, at least not to me.


I object to the use of "slut" as a term that suggests that women are worthless if they engage in promiscuous behavior.

Ok, I understand what you are trying to say here. But I never said I think just because someone is slutty they are worthless. I know women face double-standards. My main issue is when young girls are behaving in a slutty manor, like Rose. And Rose was all in your face "I'm hot, boys want me, I flirt and can sleep with anyone I want." Yet she calls other women "bloodwhores."If she were say, 20 or older, I wouldnt have much of a problem with it. But I'm so fed up with all the YA books and media that focus around young teens and sex.

And we wonder why kids today are trying to grow up so fast.


message 14: by Amanda (new)

Amanda E wrote:
My problem isn't with the word slut being used. My objection is to the idea that a promiscuous person (male or female) is inherently degrading themselves by being promiscuous.


Hi there!
First up I should clarify ... don't get me wrong, promiscuity is a lifestyle, and I don't think someone's automatically a bad person or worthless junk just because they happen to be promiscuous.


E wrote:
It seems to me (again, limited in/by my own context) that the girls you're talking about are less likely to listen to what you're saying if they're told that they're bad/dirty/cheap.


Oh, I agree. In fact if I told them they were cheap and easy, it would probably boost their ego.

But I have no intention of trying to get them to change their ways. It's not my business ;)

Before I continue, I should probably underline that they ARE "cheap" - as in, they would sleep with anyone with a white dick, never mind all the irrelevant stuff like does he bother treating you right or not.

But again, that's not why I dislike them, nor what makes me degrade them. What makes them "bad" in my eyes is that they would date one guy and then ditch him for another, or hook up with a friend's white boyfriend, or cheat on their Italian boyfriend with a Spanish one. Things like that.

I've had a French friend, all ready to propose to his girlfriend of two years, who happened to be one of these types of girls, and then discovered she'd been sleeping around behind his back. Needless to say that's a lot of money, effort and emotions gone to waste.

So basically what I'm trying to say is it's all just a game to these girls. A game of "who can get the most white dicks" pardon my language; and it doesn't matter what they do or who they hurt to win it. I don't value male players, I certainly don't value female ones, either.

Oh and interesting fact - have you heard of the Mentawai Islands? It's a place in my home country, a popular destination for surfers both local and foreign.
Why I mention Mentawai is that almost the same attitude exists there, although lower education and lack of entertainment may have played a big role. The dangerous part is that almost everyone there loves them a foreigner. And that includes the little girls. I've seen foreign visitors ask a kid to show him around the beach and she so willingly obliges. And this is not a crowded, dense island we're talking about here. Hello child trafficking.

But anyway, back to the actual book. As you probably understand, the reason I disliked Rose was more due to her hypocrisy than her actual promiscuity. And yes, although her character was a believable one, I still dislike her. Almost as much as I dislike - with a furious f****ing passion - the "white-penis hunting" girls of my country; in lack of a better term.
And the reason I brought up Rose being a "slut" was simply to give an illustration of how I found her similar to those types of girls.

E wrote:
Women are often punished socially for their promiscuity; men rarely are. While there is nothing inherently wrong with using a word, I do find it troubling when they're used to enforce a double standard, and one that can be very harmful to women (especially in the case of rape, e.g. "Well, she's a slut, so she must have wanted it").


Yes, this too I agree with. And I think it's a shame that men aren't punished for their --not promiscuity, per se, but for being a "player" and shuffling through their share of girls like a deck of cards without a single thought of who they might be hurting or the morality of their actions.
I, for one, am disgusted by these men as much as I'm disgusted by girls of the same trait.

Victim blaming obviously is a definite no-no, but not all people who dislike sluts believe they deserve or are asking to be raped. And the people who DO believe that, well... slut-shaming is the least of their problems.


message 15: by Amanda (new)

Amanda E wrote: "But why mix all this slut-shaming language into your anti-Western argument?"

oh Oh OH

THIS!

I'm not anti-Western. Just to be clear. Otherwise I wouldn't be here on Goodreads...how hypocritical that would be of me.


message 16: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Bianca wrote: "Lol. I'm discouraged to read this book."

Whoops, that was not my intention... I just needed to vent about how I felt about Rose. Some people I know did enjoy this as a light read :)


message 17: by Cinthya (new)

Cinthya hhahaha baru aku baca ini komen2nya...
cant agree more.
I love you.


message 18: by Taylor (new)

Taylor Smothers Caucasion has nothing to do with anything. Review the book, don't throw your misguided racism at me. It seems to me that you just have a thing against western people (H-town right here) and your taking it out on a book. One other thing you should remember-IT'S FICTION. None of it actually happened. But as to your review, I liked this book BECAUSE of the whole Twilight stereotype. This was a book that stood out because of society's common views towards weak and feminist women. Besides, doesn't it get annoying when you have someone saying how ugly they are all the time but they're really very pretty? Also, there's a huge difference between being aware of your looks and proclaiming them. It's not like Rose walks around the school saying, "Hey, Adrian! I'm hot!". The character was centered as a teen and as such went through normal teen experiences. Kinda. I will admit, Lissa was pretty dry and I didn't like it that much. But the book was decent from the thousands I've read (speed-reader) and I'm sure it will make a good movie. And also, let me just say again, white has nothing to do with it. Now on the other hand if Rose was constantly thinking, "Hey I'm white, he'll wanna hook up with me," that might be different, but your rant on race has nothing to do with the book. If you didn't like the book, start out with that and list the reasons why. Don't give us your personal problems first. God bless.


message 19: by Amanda (last edited Dec 13, 2011 08:12PM) (new)

Amanda No, caucasian *doesn't* have anything to do with the book. Read the review again. It was an example of how Rose - the character IN the book - reminds me of the people (who are NON-caucasians) who I highly disrespect. Note that I disrespect the caucasian-HUNTERS, not the CAUCASIANS. So don't throw your misguided accusations-of-racism at ME.

And also, let me just say again, white has nothing to do with it. Now on the other hand if Rose was constantly thinking, "Hey I'm white, he'll wanna hook up with me," that might be different, but your rant on race has nothing to do with the book.

You're missing the point here. I'm not saying Rose's race has anything to do with ANYTHING! By my "rant on race" I was making the comparison of Rose obsessing over guys because they were "hot" or a "moroi prince", much like these girls in my home country would obsess over guys just because they were "hot" and "white". So basically if a guy was not "hot", or not a "prince", or not "white", they wouldn't be worth it.

And if you liked her character, that's fine. Write a review and express yourself. That's what it's for. I for one didn't like her. I didn't like Lissa. I didn't buy Rose's "relationship" with Dimitri, and I don't think the book does anything for feminism.

Also,

One other thing you should remember-IT'S FICTION. None of it actually happened.

Damn, and here I was thinking vampires and strigoi might be roaming my neighbourhood. Next thing you'll tell me there's no such thing as Hogwarts!

But all sarcasm aside, it doesn't matter whether a book happened or not. When you read, it incites emotions, which also depends on the way you interpret the book. And since interpretation has a LOT to do with culture, expectations, and your own personal experiences, then it IS legitimate to give examples of real life events to express why the book made you feel the way it did.


♡ Half Blood  Prince ♡ I'm kinda irked that ppl start personally accusing you of 'slut-shaming' and 'racism' etc etc because of this review. i think they feel personally attacked because of your negative rating of a book they loved, so it clouds their understanding of what you're trying to say in this review.
Don't worry about it though and hope you keep making honest reviews!


message 21: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Thanks HBP!
Also I think people are too lazy to read large chunks of text, so they don't bother reading through the comments section, which if they had, it would've been clear to them this review has nothing to do with slut-shaming or racism or whatever.


message 22: by Taylor (new)

Taylor Smothers Well, yes. And I do agree with you there. Hate it all you want, I have plentty of friends who hate it too. I have no problem with that. It's just that with negative reviews people don't tend to realize that on the internet there's no tone inflection and it's really easy to misinterpret things. (btw I've never read Harry Potter and I'm not planning on it, so that has no significance to me, but thanks for that reference.) One other thing- it seems now that you have no problem with whites, you just came off as if you were blaming these boys for being "caucasion". Oh, and I'll definitely agree that most of them don't mind but I happen to know that there are some pretty decent white guys out there. Anyway, have a fantastic day and keep reading. God bless.


message 23: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Hmm, well I guess that's a small misunderstanding. Of course I don't blame people for being a certain race. My anger was directed at the girls (and sometimes also boys!) that I've mentioned in my review, because of the way they behave and think.
I mean, I've lived in Sydney for almost all my life, and my boyfriend is Australian, but I would hate to think of dating him because he's white, and because it looks good when I show him off to my friends back home in my country :\


message 24: by Hessa (new)

Hessa Dude chill ok!!! When I was reading your reviewI felt your anger, but chill it's only a book!!!


message 25: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Day-Z wrote: "@Amanda: Girls=Expressive Creatures, whoever said it was a genius =]"

We sure are!

And it's funny that people tell others to "chill" over a book...

first of all, I'm quite "chill".
I may even be TYPING IN ALL CAPS LOCK AND CURSING ALL OVER THE PLACE but it doesn't mean I'm jumping up and down, tearing my hair out and screaming at the laptop ;)

and secondly, we can damn well RAGE over a book if we want!


message 26: by Scarlet (new)

Scarlet Haha, I love that people can CAPS LOCK FANGIRLING ZOMG and everyone is ok with it, but when someone rages about a book, everyone's like "Calm down, it's just a book!" Pshh.


message 27: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Haha I know, right? Talk about double standards...


message 28: by Kiersi (new)

Kiersi Anyway aside from all this crap in the comments here, this is a great review, I laughed, and it kept me from throwing away money on a dumb book when there are many better ones out there. Thanks.

With love,
A slut


message 29: by Amanda (new)

Amanda haha glad you enjoyed it..

that's right, be proud sister!!


message 30: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn I absolutely agree with this. My hubby surprised me with this book, and I was hopeful of it. It disappointed me completely. Rose is not likable, not possible to relate to, and just not good. Lissa bothered me, as well. She was too obsessed with being what others want.


message 31: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn Honestly I could live without the slutty, in-your-face bitchiness that is plaguing book nowadays. I know it might seem wrong, but I would love to see a positive, kind female lead. Someone that isn't always obsessing over being hot, sexy, or having sexy guys on the brain. I can't remember the last time I read a heroine as being sweet, undemanding, and gentle. You don't have to be a bitch to be strong.


message 32: by Kiersi (new)

Kiersi So true, so true, Carolyn.


message 33: by Kelly (new)

Kelly Great review! Wish I had written it..summed up how I felt completely.


message 34: by Claire (new)

Claire Thank you for this review!! I might have wasted time reading, otherwise ;)


message 35: by Kelly (new)

Kelly You're right on Amanda :)


message 36: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Carolyn wrote: "I know it might seem wrong, but I would love to see a positive, kind female lead. Someone that isn't always obsessing over being hot, sexy, or having sexy guys on the brain. I can't remember the last time I read a heroine as being sweet, undemanding, and gentle. You don't have to be a bitch to be strong. "

I know right? I'm getting tired of YA heroines' lives revolving around boys.


message 37: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Claire wrote: "Thank you for this review!! I might have wasted time reading, otherwise ;)"

Just ranting out how I felt about the book :P
To be fair though, others had enjoyed VA - who knows, maybe you will, too. You should read some positive reviews of VA as well, just to see if you might find any redeeming qualities in it :P


Kelly wrote: "Great review! Wish I had written it..summed up how I felt completely."

Glad I wasn't the only one who didn't like VA :D


message 38: by Kelly (new)

Kelly Me too! I kind of stirred up a hornet's nest with some of my friends because I didn't like it :) I think we are all entitled to our opinions...others may not like them, but that's okay!


message 39: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn Amanda wrote: "
Carolyn wrote: "I know it might seem wrong, but I would love to see a positive, kind female lead. Someone that isn't always obsessing over being hot, sexy, or having sexy guys on the brain. I ca..."


It's like the authors of YA believe we are all boy-crazy hormonal raging machines. And the plots are flimsy as a result.


message 40: by Amanda (new)

Amanda Carolyn wrote: "It's like the authors of YA believe we are all boy-crazy hormonal raging machines. And the plots are flimsy as a result."

Well after the humongous hype following Edward and Jacob, I can't say I blame them that much for thinking that way :P


message 41: by Kelly (new)

Kelly So true, Amanda, so true ;)


message 42: by Jenny (new)

Jenny Cobb yes, rose was like this in the first book. but then i read the next 5, ansd she literally changes throught them. she killed to strogi in the second one, watched her best friend mason die righti n front of her. dimiri almost leavingf for christian evil aunt. (shee's evil in 5 and 6) then something very basd happens to dimitri in book three. at the end of book 3, rose makes a heart-braking decsion. book 5, not even gonna go htere. book 6, she's on the run for a royal murder she didn't commit.


message 43: by Scarlet (new)

Scarlet I might be peeved that you just listed a whole bunch of spoilers, but then again I don't really care enough about the series.


message 44: by Kelly (new)

Kelly LMAO!


message 45: by Celina (new)

Celina Kyle Thanks for saving me the time.


message 46: by Kelly (new)

Kelly :-)


message 47: by Hannah (new)

Hannah well i reckon it was a great book


message 48: by Amanda (last edited Jul 15, 2012 10:36PM) (new)

Amanda Hannah wrote: "well i reckon it was a great book"

I'm happy for you.


message 49: by Chase (new)

Chase A little bitter are we?


message 50: by Kelly (new)

Kelly I'm confused...who's bitter? I think we are all adults expressing our opinions on a book. It rubbed me the wrong way,...others loved it....no bitterness needed.


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