Se esiste il testo sull'amore nella nostra civiltà, a cui ogni testo successivo non può che ricondursi, questo è il Simposio, il dialogo di Platone che più di ogni altro ha mantenuto intatto il fiore della gioventù e ci si offre naturalmente non già come una disputa filosofica, ma come una lunga conversazione - forse la più bella conversazione della letteratura - fra spiri...more
While perusing a review of Death in Venice (dreadful tale, yet another fag-must-die-rather-than-love piece of normative propaganda) written by my good friend Stephen, he expressed a desire to read The Symposium before he eventually re-reads this
“It’s been less than three years that I’ve been Socrates’ companion and made it my job to know exactly what he says and does each day. Before that, I simply drifted aimlessly. Of course, I used to think that what I was doing was important, but in fact I was the most worthless man on earth—as bad as you are this very moment: I used to think philosophy was the last thing a man should do.”
In Praise of Love: An Encore
This is a dialogue about the human aspiration towards happiness, and how that d...more
This might just be the work that put the "meta-" (at least the "metafiction") in "metaphysics".
Plato’s name is attached to it, but its principal focus is Socrates. And guess what? Socrates doesn’t so much elaborate on his own views as (1) recount the views of others (especially those of the female philosopher Diotima) and (2) indirectly reveal his views by his conduct and his responses to the views of others (especially the taunts of Alcib...more
Progression may continue to include love of one's city, state and country. As the circle enlarges from the core relationship to other loyalties and preferences, the ape...more
And yet spoke you beautifully, Agathon, he said.
Back in the late 1990s a cowpunk band named The Meat Purveyors had a song, Why Does There Have To Be A Morning After? It detailed stumbling around in the cruel light of day, sipping on backwash beer from the night before and attempting to reconstruct what at best remains a blur.
The event depicted here is a hungover quest for certainty. The old hands in Athens have b...more
When I was a young man, I and my friends certainly had some strange conversations, possibly aided by some substances of questionable legality in certain countries, but we never quite managed to attain the heights of strangeness reached at this banquet/drinking party(*) held in 416 BCE when Socrates was approximately 53 years old, once again the principal figure in this "dialogue" written by Plato between 12 and 15 years after Socrates' death by poisoning in 399 BCE. P...more
Phaedrus talks about the greatness of love and how those who have it achieve great things. Pausanias talks of the merits of boy/man love where the boy pleasures the man while the man passes on his wisdom to the boy and that this is the best kind of love, not the lesser l...more
ما وجود یک موجود زنده ای را از کودکی تا پیری همیشه به یک نام می خوانیم و آن ها را همانند یکدیگر می شماریم.
در حالی که او هرگز همان نیست که پیش از آن بوده است. بلکه مدام در حال تغییر و دگرسانی است. یعنی مو گوشت و استخوان و خون و خلاصه همه ی اعضای بدنش دائماً در حال تغییر و دگرگونی است و این تغییر و دگرسانی، نه تنها در بدن، بلکه در روان ما نیز جاری و ساری است.
یعنی در بدن ما مدام کار فرسودگی و رویش دوباره ادامه دارد و همچنین در جان و روان ما.
در همه ی وجود ما حتی اخلاق و آرزوها و پندارها و شادی ها و...more
The Symposium is often the first of Plato's texts read by students and it is a good choice because readily accessible to the beginner. Further, for a stud...more
I knew beforehand that this book contained dialogues about Euros, but I didn't realize that with many of the dialogues the love is referring to pederasty, I should have guessed from some of the interactions with other Plato dialogues. To someone like myself from a different time and culture...more
Il testo che ho letto, però, mi è stato donato da una persona che riteneva avessi bisogno di lezioni d'amore. I...more
فهو قد بلغ من السهولة مبلغ كتابٌ ضحلٌ لا يمت للفلسفة بصلة ، وغلب عليه ذكر الأساطير الإغريقية - والتي لا أخفي ولعي بها إذ أري فيها عمق كبير -
يقول أفلاطون علي لسان هلبوزنياس أن الحب الدنيء هو الحب من أجل غرض كالمال أو الولد أو أي من الأغراض الحسية ، وهذا مما لا اعتراض عليه ، أما الاعتراض هو أن الحب السماوي - المنسوب الي أفروديت السماوية بنت أورانوس - هو الحب الذي يهدف الي تثقيف الذات أو تحصيل الفضيلة والحكمة ، وقد أتجاوز وأقول...more
So, the Symposium, the apparent start of the concept of 'Platonic love', even though it's never referred to, though I guess it's implied. The story's framed by a guy answering a question (again, apparently) and so telling the story of the time Socrates went to a party, didn't drink at all, and got everyone to mak...more
Anyway, most of the first half is just Plato setting things up for Socrates' turn in which he dissects his fellows' eulogies, so there's a g...more
As it turns out, i thoroughly enjoyed this book. It was fascinating to start with, but also easy to read. I've already bought Republic and are trying to get my hands on Phaedrus.
The one downside, is...more
Alcibiades is pretty cool though, I guess. I'd party with him.
And buckle up when you get to the hiccup subplot. This dialogue is a...more
every person in the party is drunk and is supposed to say something for love, i love the remarks of Socrates when he says ; love demands a person to become a philosopher , or literally a lover of wisdom.
some excerpts from the book took my attention.
'love is of something , and which love desires is not that which love is or has; for no man desires that he already has . and love is of the beautiful a...more
Plato is one of the most important Western philosophers,...more