Se esiste il testo sull'amore nella nostra civiltà, a cui ogni testo successivo non può che ricondursi, questo è il Simposio, il dialogo di Platone che più di ogni altro ha mantenuto intatto il fiore della gioventù e ci si offre naturalmente non già come una disputa filosofica, ma come una lunga conversazione - forse la più bella conversazione della letteratura - fra spiri...more
While perusing a review of Death in Venice (dreadful tale, yet another fag-must-die-rather-than-love piece of normative propaganda) written by my good friend Stephen, he expressed a desire to read The Symposium before he eventually re-reads this
When I was a young man, I and my friends certainly had some strange conversations, possibly aided by some substances of questionable legality in certain countries, but we never quite managed to attain the heights of strangeness reached at this banquet/drinking party(*) held in 416 BCE when Socrates was approximately 53 years old, once again the principal figure in this "dialogue" written by Plato between 12 and 15 years after Socrates' death by poisoning in 399 BCE. P...more
This publication also contains that part of The Republic in which Plato has Socrates describe his cave/sun analogy. This is appropriate because Plato's imagined symposium on Love forms another attempt to gesture readers toward the indescribable, universal forms which Plato also had Socrates speak around in The Republic. Given one "should end up at that form of learning which is of nothing other than that beauty itself", this leaves someone attempting to describe that beauty in something of a tau...more
This might just be the work that put the "meta-" (at least the "metafiction") in "metaphysics".
Plato’s name is attached to it, but its principal focus is Socrates. And guess what? Socrates doesn’t so much elaborate on his own views as (1) recount the views of others (especially those of the female philosopher Diotima) and (2) indirectly reveal his views by his conduct and his responses to the views of others (especially the taunts of Alcib...more
Phaedrus talks about the greatness of love and how those who have it achieve great things. Pausanias talks of the merits of boy/man love where the boy pleasures the man while the man passes on his wisdom to the boy and that this is the best kind of love, not the lesser l...more
Il testo che ho letto, però, mi è stato donato da una persona che riteneva avessi bisogno di lezioni d'amore. I...more
The speech of Pausanias surprised me. Common love as opposed to heavenly love "which the baser sort of men feel. Its marks are, first, that it is directed towards women quite a...more
ما وجود یک موجود زنده ای را از کودکی تا پیری همیشه به یک نام می خوانیم و آن ها را همانند یکدیگر می شماریم.
در حالی که او هرگز همان نیست که پیش از آن بوده است. بلکه مدام در حال تغییر و دگرسانی است. یعنی مو گوشت و استخوان و خون و خلاصه همه ی اعضای بدنش دائماً در حال تغییر و دگرگونی است و این تغییر و دگرسانی، نه تنها در بدن، بلکه در روان ما نیز جاری و ساری است.
یعنی در بدن ما مدام کار فرسودگی و رویش دوباره ادامه دارد و همچنین در جان و روان ما.
در همه ی وجود ما حتی اخلاق و آرزوها و پندارها و شادی ها و...more
So, the Symposium, the apparent start of the concept of 'Platonic love', even though it's never referred to, though I guess it's implied. The story's framed by a guy answering a question (again, apparently) and so telling the story of the time Socrates went to a party, didn't drink at all, and got everyone to mak...more
Anyway, most of the first half is just Plato setting things up for Socrates' turn in which he dissects his fellows' eulogies, so there's a g...more
synopsis from Wiki;
"His speech is an explanation of why people in love say they feel "whole" when they have found their love partner. It is, he says, because in primal times people had doubled bodies, with faces and limbs turned away from one another. As somewhat spherical creatures who wheeled around like clowns doing cartwheels (190a), these original people were very powerful. There were three sexes: t...more
The Symposium is often the first of Plato's texts read by students and it is a good choice because readily accessible to the beginner. Further, for a stud...more
It begins with a beautiful young Fredo speech (after a brief prologue that explains that the story is told by someone whom the story was told to) although crude basics reasoning, I think this one was beautiful th...more
In the Symposium, Plato is concerned with defining higher love, the sort of love we should all aspire toward. But really, he opens the door to any sort of love. You name it, it's here.
The show-stopper is Aristophanes' creation myth (of sorts), but it's also great to read about Socrates and the obvious hetaira, as well as Alcibiades' cameo as a spurned lover.
Equally fascinating is Jowet...more
It's always challenging/fun/enthralling to hear Socrates innocuously questioning someone, and offering definitions which seem plausible, and asking if the other speaker agrees with certain hypothetical circumstances, only for the issue at hand to suddenly stray far afield or miraculously invert, for the other person to be helpless before Socrates' argument, and feel that Socrates had his destination in mind from the very beginning, and had cr...more
As it turns out, i thoroughly enjoyed this book. It was fascinating to start with, but also easy to read. I've already bought Republic and are trying to get my hands on Phaedrus.
The one downside, is...more
Plato assembles a group of eloquent, educated and impassioned men, each with a clear and distinct voice. The convergence of these voices in the friendly setting creates a sequence of echoes and rhythms; the resonance of one speaker's voice...more
Death c. 348–347 BC, Athens
Plato was a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.