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Ils vont nu-pieds, leur teint est pâle comme celui des cadavres, leurs regards sont brillants. Ils se servent de leur langue affûtée pour enseigner, contre salaire, l'art exquis de douter de tout, de transformer le discours juste en discours injuste et de vivre au-dessus des lois. Dans l'ombre du « pensoir », ces morts-vivants ont pour maître le bavard, le divin Socrate.
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Paperback, Classiques en Poche, 206 pages
Published 2009 by Belles Lettres (first published -423)
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Praj
“Well, what do the slanderers say? They shall be my prosecutors, and I will sum up their words in an affidavit: 'Socrates is an evil-doer, and a curious person, who searches into things under the earth and in heaven, and he makes the worse appear the better cause; and he teaches the aforesaid doctrines to others.' Such is the nature of the accusation: it is just what you have yourselves seen in the comedy of Aristophanes (Aristoph., Clouds.), who has introduced a man whom he calls Socrates, goi...more
Yann
Les Nuées sont une pièce d'Aristophane, un auteur de comédie Athénien de la fin du cinquième siècle avant notre ère. A cette époque, la ville d'Athènes était au fait de sa puissance, à la tête d'une redoutable confédération maritime, et au début d'une lutte sans merci contre la confédération de Sparte. Mais ce conflit n’a en rien arrêté une tradition maintenant solidement ancrée dans la culture de la ville, celle des fêtes religieuses qui donnent lieu à des processions et des concours : parmi el...more
Victoria
The edition of 'The Clouds' that I read was a part of the anthology Eight Great Comedies and was translated by Benjamin Bickley Rogers. This book that was lent to me by my school as a part of our English unit on comedy, where we briefly studied The Importance of Being Earnest, another play within the volume. As this school year is coming to an end, I figured that I should try to read some of the other comedies while I had the book in my hands.

Reading ancient plays do, by nature, come with some d...more
Robert
If you don't laugh when you read this play, you simply don't have a pulse...

This play is "immediately-turn-you-into-an-actor-reciting-lines-while-walking-through-your-house-by-yourself-as-you-laugh" funny...

But one problem is, I suspect I will never see a live performance that lives up to the one portrayed in my imagination. Honestly a great play to read and probably an especially difficult play to pull off on stage. You need to be very reckless, loud, and have some eccentric, brilliant exaggera...more
Claire
This is Aristophanes' satire lambasting the Sophists, and Socrates in particular (even though Socrates despised the Sophists he was associated with them by the masses). It's also a critique of the litigious nature of Athens at that time. I was struck by some similarities today, especially, ironically, the underlying concept of our society's lax attention to morality in the face of personal gain. "lie a little, take advantage of one's neighbor a little..." etc.

My first foray into the works of Ari...more
Michael
Sigh. I think I'm in the minority here, but for the most part, I just don't find Aristophanes funny. I found myself reading over passages thinking, Okay, I should be laughing, but probably ended up looking like this the entire time:


That is all.
Juan Pablo
Obra que critica la sofística (y a Sócrates como sofista, lo que es bastante interesante para la historia de la filosofía), planteando un conflicto que no nos es ajeno, entre folosofía-retórica-conocimento-ciencia y tradición-. El protagonista (un viejo llamado Estrepsíades, adeudado por la afición de su hijo Fidípides a los caballos) va en busca de Sócrates para que le enseñe el arte de la oratoria, a fin de poder librarse de sus acreedores que pronto lo llevarán a juicio. Lo encuentra, como es...more
Julie
Nov 10, 2010 Julie rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Julie by: Mr. C
There is no better way to understand the general population of 5th century Greece's view of philosophy than through The Clouds. This is the only play I've read by Arisophanes's so far, but I would suspect that his other satires would have the same impact. There is something about the play that is almost like a time capsule to the past. What's even better is that despite its antiquity, it's still hilarious today.

Arisophane's plays were influence, I suspect, because I think the negative portrayal...more
Jeff
Aristophanes was an Athenian conservative, and here he illustrated his dislike for those that taught the new way of knowledge, all of whom he identifies as sophists. The clouds are a lovely metaphor for the shifty and subjective nature of sophistic reasoning--one sees what one wishes to see. Socrates (although not actually a sophist) is caricatured and mocked, and dies miserably at the end. All throughout, the clever and crass jokes work superbly, even 2,500 years on. The moral can't be taken se...more
The Chestertonian (Sarah G)
The language in this version is pretty crude (Hickie translation is cleaner), but the play is great comedy. Poor Socrates is not treated kindly; the older folks' attachment to the good ol' days as well as the younger people's immoral modernity also receive rough treatment. I won't give away the ending but it's one of my all-time favorite climaxes.
Victoria Lie
This was genuinely funny, I laughed out loud several times. It was very interesting to see just how much jokes gets recycled, several of the jokes in the play are still being used to this day.

It is satire questioning some of the philosophical shenanigans of Socrates, and its interesting to see quite a different portrayal than what Plato paints. Aristophanes was a conservative and is taking a jab at sophistry and the new education, to which Socrates was poster boy (all though Socrates did claim...more
Krollo
This was my first Ancient Greek play and I liked it much more than I expected. It's a good one to read in conjunction with Plato's Apology - Plato even cites Aristophanes as indirectly sentencing Socrates to death.

If criticising the first man to break the philosophical mould isn't your thing, it's full - and I mean full - of toilet humour. Whether it's shoving radishes up people's anuses or recounting the first Dutch oven in recorded history, Aristophanes appeals both to a love of lofty satire a...more
David Sarkies
May 14, 2014 David Sarkies rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Those who want to explore Greek culture a bit more
Recommended to David by: David Hester
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Aristophanes attacks Athenian education
12 January 2013

I guess on of the great things I loved about this play was how relevant it is to today's society. Okay, the problem with understanding the relevance is that when it is translated in a way that retains all of the Ancient Athenian references it can be difficult for a modern who has little to no knowledge of Athenian culture to have a full appreciation of the of the way that Aristophanes mocks the Athenian education system. Further, even a litt...more
aobibliophile™
“Some people use one half their ingenuity to get into debt, and the other half to avoid paying it.” - George Prentice


Strepsiades is an elderly Athenian whose sleep has been troubled lately due to his mounting debts. he devises a plan and asks his son Pheidippides to enroll at The Thinkery. the young man protests and refuses to be persuaded. the old man decides to enroll so he can learn from Socrates himself how to beat his creditors by employing winning arguments in court.
The Clouds is a comedy...more
Sara Elice
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Summer
This is a wonderfully written play, and very humorous. The translation I read was very uncensored, but I believe that that was part of the intended tone of the book.

In the seminar I was in over this play, we couldn't quite decide if Aristophanes was being purely satirical about how the common people view philosophers, or if he truly believed that philosophy and the pursuit of knowledge seemed that silly and corrupt.

I was also slightly shocked at his depiction of Socrates, but, of course, I've be...more
Maan Kawas
A beautiful comedy by the great ancient Greek playwright Aristophanes that is centered upon education and the educational systems (the old vs. the new one)! The play is full of satire and criticism, particularly geared at Socrates and his teachings; there are many funny scenes and events as well as a tone of irrationality. Aristophanes used daring and sometimes filthy words and hints in the play, which I found a bit surprising; especially as with the direct contact with audience in the theater....more
Brian Schiebout
The Clouds is a comedy written by the ancient Greek Aristophanes and which was translated into English by Benjamin Rogers. The Clouds deals with the group of people who normally have their minds stuck in the clouds, that is the philosophers. While I guess this portrayal should infuriate me as I have a bachelors degree in philosophy, it didn't. Instead I found much to be true in the portrayal. The story begins when Strepsiades a foolish Greek from the countryside tries to enroll his son into a sc...more
Mathew Huff
beyond my knowledge at the moment, much of the subtext and themes are lost on my ignorance of so much, as well as what I felt was a very poor translation (Great Books 1st edition translation). Overall, pretty clever and a few times I chuckled out loud such as "when you are on the ground studying the patterns of gnat shit, maybe your ass pointed up is studying the stars?"

other than that, what was obvious was that the sophists are portrayed not just with derision, but as worthless buffoons, clowns...more
JP
Aristophanes won some of the drama competitions under a pseudonym before he was old enough to enter. He references both Aeschylus (as a conservatives choice) and Euripides (as liked by the new "wrong logic" generation of youth). In addition, he continues his debate/feud with Cleon. More than anything, this work represents the same criticisms put against Socrates during his trial -- that he was leading the youth of the time away from discipline and tradition. The victory of Wrong Logic in his deb...more
Mark
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Jason Jaszemski
Not sure if it was the particular translation I read or the actual work itself, but the book was difficult to read at points. Nevertheless, there were points where I was able to break through the difficulty and enjoy this satire of Socrates.

While I was reading this, I was upset having known that this work partially lead to the eventual execution of Socrates, however, reading and doing research afterward, it seems as if it was produced years before the execution and also that Socrates had indeed...more
Brian C Albrecht
The translation I read was not well done. It was not this one so I feel bad rating it poorly. However, the story is confusing and not that entertaining. It is a drama of decent size which makes fun of Socrates and his philosophy and way of teaching. He basically convinces two family members of absurd things so they fight. I would not recommend for the casual read or like me a serious read who wants an overview of Western books (I'm doing the The Great Conversation: The Substance Of A Liberal Edu...more
Angelo Giardini
Em "As Nuvens", comédia de Aristófanes, o personagem principal busca alistar-se e a seu filho como discípulos de Sócrates, não para alcançar qualquer elevação de espírito ou de pensamento, mas para ser capaz de defender o "injusto" com argumentos sagazes e conseguir assim ver-se livre de várias dívidas, ganhando as causas no Tribunal.

Trata-se de evidente sátira ao pensamento e disciplina socráticos e da subversão dos costumes e ideias clássicas na Grécia. Recomendo aos que desejarem lê-la que, s...more
Mattomic
Feb 21, 2008 Mattomic rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: students of ancient lit, philosophers, ancient Greek nerds
OK, so I read only a fragment of this for a philosophy course many, many years ago. The context added to the humor from Aristophanes' biting satire. I'm sure were I to read this today, not as well steeped in ancient Greek philosophy, I wouldn't get such a kick out of it. Overly generous as my rating is, I have to give it props for the good memories it conjures up in me. Aristophanes tears Socrates and his ilk (more accurately, the sophists - people who can argue circles around others, but posses...more
David Balfour
It's good to see Socrates called out for his faulty arguments. This contains a good parody of his tendency to come to erroneous conclusions through completely irrelevant analogies. Some of this seems a little mean-spirited though, particularly the ending which condones the lynching of Socrates.
Mehdi
A hilarious comedy that pokes fun at Socrates and Athenian Society. The truculent humor still resonates 25 centuries later!
Zach Vowles
Loved the characters, and their strained relations with each other. Socrates is great, and the book is an interesting read.
Rob
(Too old to rate.) A nice refreshing reminder that not everyone in Ancient Greece was a chin-stroking philosopher. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Clouds is still funny today (the humour is pretty obscure, and that's not even counting the Ancient Greek puns, and of course we can now sit through a play without the chorus periodically popping in to tell us everything is going to work), but it does provide some entertainment, if only in showing that there were semi-conservative sitcoms making f...more
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Aristophanes (Greek: Αριστοφάνης; c. 446 BCE – c. 386 BCE) was a playwright of ancient Athens.
About 11 of his works are known in full, and they are the only plays of the "Old Comedy" style to have survived. They are The Acharnians, The Birds, The Clouds, The Ecclesiazusae, The Frogs, The Knights, Peace, Plutus (wealth), The Thesmophoriazusae, and The Wasps. These plays have been translated into m...more
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“How can I study from below, that which is above?” 7 likes
“Socrate. Tiens-tu quelque chose ?
Strepsiade. Non, par Zeus, non certes.
Socrate. Rien du tout ?
Strepsiade. Rien... que ma verge dans ma main droite.”
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