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Them or Us (Hater #3)

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The war that has torn the human race apart is nearing its end. With the country in the grip of a nuclear winter, both Hater and Unchanged struggle to survive. Hinchcliffe, leader of an army of Haters, will stop at nothing to be at the top of the new world order.
361 pages
Published 2011
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Oct 19, 2015 karen rated it liked it

hmm, so as far as the "look at me, i am taking the 'zombie' novel to new and interesting places" angle goes, i think this book delivers. but it is definitely a more subdued and reflective novel than the two that came before it. and that's fine, but it is not helping out my "spooky spook month" very much.

because, hey, i am all about the maturation of the zombie novel: Zone One, Raising Stony Mayhall, and The Reapers Are the Angels are all fine examples of novels that are and are not books about
Jo Anne B
May 06, 2012 Jo Anne B rated it it was amazing
This was a fabulous conclusion to the Hater series. It was as depressing as they come, but it was true to how it things would be which is classic Moody style. You really felt for Danny in this one. Wow, was he put through enough or what? I was annoyed with him in the second book because all he wanted to do was find his daughter Ellis, even though he never really cared for his kids to begin with. But in this one, you felt so sorry for how much he was suffering and how everybody used him for their ...more
May 04, 2012 Jason rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: e-books, read-2012
4.5 Stars
The final book in the Hater trilogy by David Moody did not disappoint. The series which started out with a large scope devolves down to Danny as the only real point of view. By this point of the series, those whom have read these books know what the shape of the world is for Danny. This post-apocalyptic thriller does not let down it its morose and bleak take on humanity.

I am a huge Moody fan and love his writing style, his raw take on the fall of our world, and his ability to make us f
Mar 30, 2012 Bandit rated it it was amazing
This is exactly what good postapocalyptic fiction should be like. Actually, this is what a book should be like in general. It should make you think, feel and not be able to put it down. In this powerhouse of a conclusion to Hater trilogy, Moody shows us a horrifying new world and the staggering ramifications of hate. What makes these books unique is the combination of great storytelling, incredible action, phenomenal pacing and at the same time very interesting, almost philosophical, observation ...more
May 03, 2016 Alina rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Felt longer, slower and more boring than the other two in the series, pretty predictable, making me wonder numerous times if there's any solid plot, with an indecisive and whining and obnoxious main character.
Also, the causes of the transformation are never expalined..
Craig DiLouie
Nov 03, 2011 Craig DiLouie rated it really liked it
In THEM OR US by David Moody, the final book in the HATER trilogy, the war between the Haters and the Unchanged is almost over. As the Unchanged near extinction after a nuclear exchange, the Haters begin to turn on each other. This review includes some reflections on the complete trilogy, already a classic in the genre, and may include spoilers or hints of spoilers, so read at your risk.

HATER tells the story of an office worker crushed by a mind-numbing civil service job, nagging wife and childr
Feb 08, 2015 Jami rated it liked it
Shelves: dystopia
This was an interesting conclusion to the trilogy. At first, I wasn't sure there was any plot, but as it got going, I found that I became engrossed in the author's depiction of how the society developed when it was torn down and had to rebuild. The emergence of various classes and the overthrow of those in powerful was well portrayed. I also liked the development of Danny McCoyne. I became a fan of the trilogy based on the first book, where you didn't know who was a Hater and who was an Unchange ...more
Ryan Daley
Nov 07, 2011 Ryan Daley rated it really liked it
The final novel in the Hater series finds Danny McCoyne locked in a passive-aggressive rivalry with Hinchcliffe, the sadistic leader of a sizeable community of Haters. Strong, angry dialogue drives the plot forward, and some thoughtful, yet sparse, social subtext from Moody transforms Them or Us into more than just a basic holocaust survival novel. A contemplative, highly satisfying conclusion to his apocalyptic trilogy.
Si Barron
There’s a problem with credibility in this book. You may think this a peculiar comment in light of the fact that it is about zombies. But there is something called ‘internal logic’’ and this book fails in it.

First of all there is a problem with Hinchcliffe, the big bad. He just doesn’t cut it as a baddie. He seems mainly to be play acting; I was never convinced despite all the protestations of fear and loathing from our protagonist. Hinchcliffe never scared me; none of them did unfortunately.

Their lives were empty, but for the hunt and the kill. It was an inescapable paradox: by destroying their enemy they were also removing their own reason to live.

The Beginning: At the height of the last English summer, the skies turned black as coal and never cleared.

I was a bit disappointed by this one, the third and final instalment of the Hater-series. I loved the first novel so much. It was unlike anything I’d read before and it got a well-deserved spot on my top 5 reads of 2013. The second
Holden Attradies
May 12, 2012 Holden Attradies rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: fiction, horror
I'm assuming this is the end of the series. If so, it was an AMAZING end. Like the previous two books, the last third of the book was incredibly hard to "put down" (stop listening in my case, audio book). I was on the edge of my seat till the very last line of the book, and it was an AMAZING and chilling last line.

Danny McCoin was so different from who he started out as in the first volume, yet in many ways still the same person. In the beginning of book one the only thing that stands out about
Jun 16, 2012 Lisa rated it liked it
...or no-one at all.

It was always going to be hard to live up to the fantastically taut and frightening opener to this series, as demonstrated by the middle entry, Dog Blood and this finale, but nonetheless this was a fitting end to the trilogy - it's hard to see where else this could have gone.

The nuclear blasts that decimated the centres of population have left the country either dead or dying, with those not killed outright now suffering from the radiation. What was left of the Unchanged popu
Feb 13, 2012 Jenn rated it liked it
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Dec 05, 2011 Josephine rated it really liked it
You know, David Moody’s “Them or Us” is sort of how I see the world eventually going to Hell — like, maybe we won’t succumb to some weird glitch in our DNA that suddenly makes us turn on each other, but whether it’s a virus or a war or something else that decimates most of the population, I just get the sense that we’ll be woefully unprepared for it and that we won’t have the foresight to set our priorities straight to survive in the long term.

“Them or Us” is the final installment to Moody’s “Ha
Jan 30, 2015 Erin rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
I picked up this book not realizing it was the final in a trilogy. Perhaps if I had read the previous two books, I would have enjoyed "Them of Us" more. The story is interesting and I love a good post-apocalyptic read, but I just couldn't get into the characters or the style of dialogue.
Jun 14, 2012 Clait rated it it was ok
Kind of awful. This third volume of the Hater trilogy is so miserable, so hopeless, and so thoroughly depressing that it seems like it just must be leading up to some kind of profound ending. Nothing could be further from the truth. Danny is back in full whining and worrying mode making this novel an exercise in frustration. Even when he finally makes a good decision, it takes him so long to get there, agonizing and whining endlessly, that you just don't care any more. I kept wanting Danny to be ...more
Cecilia Solis-sublette
The third in the trilogy, this novel ended the way any such trilogy could end. So, reflecting on the series, this series is - like all good literature - the story of a man on a quest. He's searching for humanity, for life. What is it that makes life worth living? He knew at one point but, then, forgot. And that is the real tragedy of Danny McCoyne. And who is Danny but a stand in for all of us as we continue to seek out happiness in different forms and standards? So, yes, in the end this is a ph ...more
Apr 15, 2012 Gatorman rated it it was amazing
Fantastic finish to the Hater trilogy. The terrific writing continues as the story of Danny McCoyne and his struggles to come to grips with a changing and dying world of Haters and Unchanged builds to a gripping and ultimately satisfying conclusion. Violent and unflinching, the story makes you care about what happens to those that are left to find some place in the world, even the bad guys. If you haven't started this series, do so now. Well worth the effort.
Bowie V.
Sep 13, 2014 Bowie V. rated it it was amazing
What an outstanding read. A true thrilling rollercoaster ride of emotions. Moody is elegant with his cruel prose, painting pictures of a dying world and the remnants of humanity with sweet precision. And that finish to the title was particularly sweet and cruel, yet a pointed comment on the truth of our delicate human frailties. Absolutely loved the title. Read it today.
Mar 01, 2014 Rhian rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
A fairly solid ending to an excellent trilogy. Its admirable how the author manages to balance such a compelling narrative through the perspective of such - to me - an unlikable character. Danny McCoyne could be any of the prats who live down the streets from me, and though unlikable, he is still a well fleshed out proper english bloke, and I thoroughly tip my hat to David Moody for balancing the extraordinary events of the trilogy through such an average guy.

Unlike the previous two however, I f
Sep 28, 2014 Juliet rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I feel like I had to wait literally forever for this book to come out. Like, I was basically halfway through college before this book was in my hands thanks to Amazon. I was a little disappointed in the US cover design, but that doesn’t fault what’s inside the book.

We return to the world of the Haters and the Unchanged. Our main character, Danny, is still struggling with his Hate. But this world is darker. They’re living in a post-nuclear explosion wasteland. Danny still wants to find his daugh
Aug 01, 2016 Badseedgirl rated it really liked it
Dark, dark ending, but with just the faintest gleam of hope.
Tina Redmond
Jan 29, 2015 Tina Redmond rated it really liked it
The hater series was really good. The Happening/or Cell mixed with 28 days later. Not a classic zombie story by any means. A crazy and fresh perspective on the whole thing. The infected keep their facilities and are not dead, more like infected with a 28 days later type of rage that only infect part of the population and pits them against the uninfected. The story is brilliantly told from the perspective of one of the infected. Starting with a depressingly accurate description of everyday life, ...more
Debbie Millett
May 18, 2016 Debbie Millett rated it liked it
The conclusion to the Hater series is a good wrap-up. Not a zombie story, but society disintegrates through books #1 and #2 as probably half the population become "haters" with a crazy fear that the "unchanged" will hurt them and the world descends into violence (no explanation is ever given for why this happened).

In #3, what's left of society is suffering from nuclear fall-out and bands of Haters hunt down what's left of the unchanged. Danny McCoyne, taught how to "hold the hate," is forced to
Amanda - Go Book Yourself
Disappointing. Its just dragged along with little of the suspense seen in the previous books.
Brad Kirk
Mar 24, 2016 Brad Kirk rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Overall a decent apocalyptic series. No explanation is ever given for what made the Haters into Haters. The series never leaves you leaving warm and fuzzy, but I suppose it's a fairly accurate representation of what would happen in the event of a large-scale societal collapse. Endless killing and mini-despots claiming and maintaining power through whatever means are necessary. McCoyne's small good turn at the end of the book does nothing to negate the terrible things he did earlier in the story, ...more
Henrik Rostoft
Feb 01, 2012 Henrik Rostoft rated it did not like it
This was a serious letdown after the first two.
Mar 01, 2015 Erik rated it liked it
This is the third installment of David Moody's Hater series, when I got the first book "Hater" I bought it believing it was another post apocalyptic zombie thriller. It is apocalyptic but no zombies. What sets Moody's novel apart is the fact that what brings about the end of the world is not a virus that changes it's victims into undead hordes searching for the flesh of the living. The change divides the world into two factions, the Haters and the Unchanged. The Unchanged remain just that unchan ...more
Andy Phillips
Oct 03, 2014 Andy Phillips rated it liked it
Shelves: zombies
SPOILER ALERT - read the first two books before this one, or this review!

I think I'm in the minority here as I didn't enjoy this book much. 'Dog Blood' and 'Them or Us' simply aren't as original and interesting as 'Hater' in my opinion. By this point in the story almost all of the Unchanged are dead, so the interesting plot device of The Hate is more or less irrelevant for most of the book. The story then becomes a fairly average apocalyptic fiction tale with a group of survivors living in a sor
Jan 02, 2012 Chris rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
The premier splatterpunk series ends not with a growl, but a whimper. Picking up a short time after the brilliantly bloody second book in the series, Dog Blood, it follows the shattered shell that of the main character. The war is coming to a close, the devastation is paramount, and the remain few survivors cling on to the scraps of the former world. The savage intent still remains embedded in the characters, it's just the overtly detailed action from the first two books are almost completely mi ...more
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David Moody was born in 1970 and grew up in Birmingham on a diet of trashy horror and pulp science fiction books and movies. He worked as a bank manager and as operations manager for a number of financial institutions before giving up the day job to write about the end of the world for a living. He has written a number of horror novels, including AUTUMN, which has been downloaded more than half a ...more
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