WWW: Watch (WWW #2)
Sixteen-year-old Caitlin Decter was born blind. But, thanks to an implant in her head, she can now see the real world—and also see webspace, the structure of the World Wide Web. There, she’s found a nascent consciousness, which she’s helped bring forth, letting it, too, see the world for the first time.
The consciousness takes the name Webmind. Caitlin’s parents know about ...more
The consciousness takes the name Webmind. Caitlin’s parents know about ...more
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Part II of the WWW trilogy continues the story of Caitlin and the emergence of a consciousness within the internet. I enjoyed this book and kept wanting to read more but...[return][return]And this seems to be more true with every book Sawyer releases. There were times when this felt like a Canadian culture textbook, or a math textbook, or a physics textbook. His Canadiana becomes nauseating (and false in a lot of senses... believe it or not, but Canadians have heard of, AND READ, non-canadian...more
I can deal with an author who believes in Evolution.
[which from a philosophical standpoint doesn't actually make sense. The language used when talking about evolution is the same type of language used for a deity. That says all I need to know].
However, when someone starts using disparaging/abusive language about those who don't agree with their viewpoint, then we have an issue.
Go read Darwin's Black Box for a good look at why "Evolution" isn't the god some seem ...more
[which from a philosophical standpoint doesn't actually make sense. The language used when talking about evolution is the same type of language used for a deity. That says all I need to know].
However, when someone starts using disparaging/abusive language about those who don't agree with their viewpoint, then we have an issue.
Go read Darwin's Black Box for a good look at why "Evolution" isn't the god some seem ...more
WWW: Watch (WWW, #2)WWW: Watch by Robert J. Sawyer
My rating: 4 of 5 stars
This continues the tale of Caitlin and the emergent AI Webmind. This is a fun book, easy to read, packed with ideas and with characters you care about.
This book is slightly more static than the first in the series. It allows itself the time for the protagonists to lay out their arguments and explore the issues.
If you are a sci fi fan, you will definitely get this book. If not,...more
My rating: 4 of 5 stars
This continues the tale of Caitlin and the emergent AI Webmind. This is a fun book, easy to read, packed with ideas and with characters you care about.
This book is slightly more static than the first in the series. It allows itself the time for the protagonists to lay out their arguments and explore the issues.
If you are a sci fi fan, you will definitely get this book. If not,...more
Three and a half stars, I think. Maybe four.
It's a good continuation from Wake, and the overall pace is good.
The characters are if anything too cleverly constructed so that they aren't boring.
And the, er, non-organic hero is a tad too Galahadish for my taste.
I liked that the government agents are reasonably competent but not any more than most people are in real life.
It's a good contrast to Caitlin, who has just enough flaws to keep her from being a ...more
It's a good continuation from Wake, and the overall pace is good.
The characters are if anything too cleverly constructed so that they aren't boring.
And the, er, non-organic hero is a tad too Galahadish for my taste.
I liked that the government agents are reasonably competent but not any more than most people are in real life.
It's a good contrast to Caitlin, who has just enough flaws to keep her from being a ...more
I waited a year for the second installment of the WWW series, and it was worth it. The biggest problem now is waiting another year for the finale.
On the whole, this is a great book - the series is clever and thoughtful, the protagonists are interesting and mostly understandable, and the ideas underlying the premise are profound. The only significant flaw in the writing is that there are a couple of cases where characters rant a bit in faux-socratic style about some ongoing liberal po...more
On the whole, this is a great book - the series is clever and thoughtful, the protagonists are interesting and mostly understandable, and the ideas underlying the premise are profound. The only significant flaw in the writing is that there are a couple of cases where characters rant a bit in faux-socratic style about some ongoing liberal po...more
When I read Wake 10 months ago, my initial impressions were of a lot of disparate threads. The AI, the blindness, the chimp, the Chinese, just to name the first few that occur to me now. I gave it a 4 star rating, because I enjoyed it. I wonder now if my own defences, particularly on the blindness thing, caused me to not allow it the breathing space it deserved.
This instalment is certainly a 5 star offering. There are no fewer threads and subplots, everything's still going on and t...more
This instalment is certainly a 5 star offering. There are no fewer threads and subplots, everything's still going on and t...more
Picking up where WWW:Wake left off, this book explores the development of WebMind and the U.S. government's involvement when they figure out what he is.
I really enjoyed the different storylines, WebMind's development and growth, Hobo's time of decision, Caitlin is a delightful person, and I enjoyed the vast array of topics covered from consciousness to game theory to computer programming and a rational logical theory for morality and kindness.
There were a few things that ...more
I really enjoyed the different storylines, WebMind's development and growth, Hobo's time of decision, Caitlin is a delightful person, and I enjoyed the vast array of topics covered from consciousness to game theory to computer programming and a rational logical theory for morality and kindness.
There were a few things that ...more
This is the second book in Sawyer's WWW trilogy. The third book WWW: Wonder is due out in April of 2011. This was another amazing book. Sawyer does a great job of packing in a ton of issues, both philosophical and political, that make the reader really think, while giving the reader characters that are interesting and easy to relate too. I loved this book. I listened to this on audiobook, which I highly recommend. The audiobook is exceedingly well done, with different voice actors for the diffe...more
This was an excellent continuation of the story that was started in WWW:Wake. I felt that the characters grew for me into this book, where in Wake they felt underdeveloped. All of the storylines ran parallel to each other in the first, but in Watch, they started to intersect.
What I enjoyed about Wake and Watch was the premise: a teenage girl and her family interacting with a developing consciousness from the web. I liked that the consciousness was not portrayed as malevolent, and I ...more
What I enjoyed about Wake and Watch was the premise: a teenage girl and her family interacting with a developing consciousness from the web. I liked that the consciousness was not portrayed as malevolent, and I ...more
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WWW:Wake
I was relatively lukewarm towards WWW:Wake, the first volume in this projected trilogy, but Sawyer's upped his game with this one. Like its predecessor, WWW:Watch shows signs of having been written very quickly, but in this case the narrative rush works to draw the reader in quickly, too.
I'd recommend reading the first book before diving into this one; you'll want to be familiar with developments to date, even though I think it'd be fairly easy to pick up on what's going on, even com...more
I'd recommend reading the first book before diving into this one; you'll want to be familiar with developments to date, even though I think it'd be fairly easy to pick up on what's going on, even com...more
I like the story this book tells. Unfortunately, there were several things in the book that kept me from actually enjoying the book, so I cannot give it more than 2 stars. As much as I wanted the story, I found finishing the book tedious.
In my review of WWW:Wake, the first book in this series, I compared it favorably to another book with a smart young protagonist, Little Brother. I said that in comparison, Doctorow looks like he's trying too hard to be hip.
I must now s...more
In my review of WWW:Wake, the first book in this series, I compared it favorably to another book with a smart young protagonist, Little Brother. I said that in comparison, Doctorow looks like he's trying too hard to be hip.
I must now s...more
This, the second book in Sawyer's WWW Trilogy, is another exception to the rule of trilogies. It's actually a better read than Wake, the previous volume.
The plot focuses on Caitlin Decter and her relationship with Webmind, an emergent artificial intelligence spawned from the World Wide Web. Both these characters are extremely well-developed, although Sawyer seems to have given up trying to write a teenage girl and Caitlin talks more like a grad student. Most of the minor characters fr...more
The plot focuses on Caitlin Decter and her relationship with Webmind, an emergent artificial intelligence spawned from the World Wide Web. Both these characters are extremely well-developed, although Sawyer seems to have given up trying to write a teenage girl and Caitlin talks more like a grad student. Most of the minor characters fr...more
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I liked it better than the first book in most respects. It didn't have that magical feeling of discovery, both for Caitlin learning to see and for Webmind becoming, but it also didn't have as many annoying tics and rants. Caitlin didn't feel quite as much a real kid in this, she's just too much of a genius, too well-read and understanding, and her new friend Matt was worse because we didn't know him well enough for it to make sense. But Caitlin did feel real and immediate as a person; it's ironi...more
Yet another good book by Sawyer.
This book picks up right where the first one in the trilogy left off, with Caitlin realizing that Webmind is real, and that she alone can't keep the emergent consciousness busy, and the worry about what will happen to it if she doesn't keep it occupied.
She is much more trusting of her parents than most teenagers are, might have something to do with how much more she's depended upon them growing up, and the ups and downs they've been through wit...more
This book picks up right where the first one in the trilogy left off, with Caitlin realizing that Webmind is real, and that she alone can't keep the emergent consciousness busy, and the worry about what will happen to it if she doesn't keep it occupied.
She is much more trusting of her parents than most teenagers are, might have something to do with how much more she's depended upon them growing up, and the ups and downs they've been through wit...more
Very good follow up to WWW: Wake. Would be giving both Wake & Watch 3+ stars if the option were available.
Again, great characters; those from Wake carry forward and new ones are introduced. Even Webmind (the AI - Artificial Intelligence) is likeable! That's how good of a job Sawyer does at developing his characters; he makes an AI likeable!!!
You could definitely read this volume without having read Wake but, Wake in and of itself, was a good novel and worth the read.
I love how ...more
Again, great characters; those from Wake carry forward and new ones are introduced. Even Webmind (the AI - Artificial Intelligence) is likeable! That's how good of a job Sawyer does at developing his characters; he makes an AI likeable!!!
You could definitely read this volume without having read Wake but, Wake in and of itself, was a good novel and worth the read.
I love how ...more
(audio version) WWW.WATCH is the second book of a trilogy by Robert J. Sawyer in which the protagonist, a blind, exceptional sixteen-year-old girl named Caitlin Decter, was given the gift of sight with an implant behind one of her eyes. And because of this implant, Caitlin can “see” the world wide web and she learns that it has a conscious called the Webmind. The government gets involved, fearing only harmful outcomes from the web having a conscious, but Caitlin knows otherwise and has to save W...more
Robert Sawyer's second installment in his "WWW" trilogy picks up right where "Wake" left off but, thankfully, does not fall prey to middle book syndrome.
If you've not read the first installment, there will be SPOILERS ahead for it. Can't really talk about book two without giving away the end of book one.
"Wake" ended with Caitlin Decker contacting the growing intelligence emerging on the World Wide Web. The second novel explores their growin...more
If you've not read the first installment, there will be SPOILERS ahead for it. Can't really talk about book two without giving away the end of book one.
"Wake" ended with Caitlin Decker contacting the growing intelligence emerging on the World Wide Web. The second novel explores their growin...more
Swayer is like chocolate covered in crack. i eagerly gobble up his novels. this is the follow-up to Wake, and he is already working on the third called, Wonder. WWW most appropriate given that this story is about a singularity - the leap that the neuron-like internet makes to become conscious of it's own existence. cool stuff.
in this one he revisits an idea he has touched on in the other novels - that of Big Brother. but he plays devil's advocate to the usual 1984 position, by r...more
in this one he revisits an idea he has touched on in the other novels - that of Big Brother. but he plays devil's advocate to the usual 1984 position, by r...more
All in all a very good book especially for the second book in a trilogy.
I had feared that, now that Katelyn has her sight back, I'd lose the special interest Wake had for me as someone with low vision.
But no worries, I was as captivated with Watch as I was with Wake.
I still have trouble with how easy a time Webmind has with his own emergent structure and with understanding and communicating with humans.
While at the beginning of the book he did get into trouble...more
I had feared that, now that Katelyn has her sight back, I'd lose the special interest Wake had for me as someone with low vision.
But no worries, I was as captivated with Watch as I was with Wake.
I still have trouble with how easy a time Webmind has with his own emergent structure and with understanding and communicating with humans.
While at the beginning of the book he did get into trouble...more
This book continues right where the last one left off. The webmind continues to mature and so does Caitlin (boyfriend ...this drama is what I like least about the book, but it adds a sense of realism).
We get a little deeper into morals and such as the human friends of webmind struggle with how to help "him" be altruistic. I found it interesting how the teachings of Jesus are reinterpreted through a secular worldview in order to make them useful to webmind. Other approaches ...more
We get a little deeper into morals and such as the human friends of webmind struggle with how to help "him" be altruistic. I found it interesting how the teachings of Jesus are reinterpreted through a secular worldview in order to make them useful to webmind. Other approaches ...more
There are two things that Sawyer does right with this novel, and one thing he does wrong.
Unfortunately it is the one thing he does wrong which really stands out in the novel, to the point where the two things he does right can’t save it.
I’ll start first by listing the two things Sawyer does right.
1- He writes damn well.
This was mentioned in my review for the first book in the series, but since it’s a universal statement, I’ll say it again.
Sawyer knows...more
Unfortunately it is the one thing he does wrong which really stands out in the novel, to the point where the two things he does right can’t save it.
I’ll start first by listing the two things Sawyer does right.
1- He writes damn well.
This was mentioned in my review for the first book in the series, but since it’s a universal statement, I’ll say it again.
Sawyer knows...more
As exhilarating as the first volume in the WWW trilogy. This was one of those rare novels that, cliche as it sounds, I couldn't put down. Whereas the first volume's science focused on the emergence of consciousness, this volume focuses on game theory and the evolutionary function of consciousness. Despite the density of science, this book, like it's predecessor, is an effortless read with empathy and optimism that's rare in today's dystopian sci-fi landscape (Orwellian dystopias are another them...more
WWW: Watch is the sequel to WWW: Wake (although either book can stand alone). These books tell the story of Caitlin Decter, precocious daughter of two brilliant parents who has been blind from birth because of a defect in her retina encoding. Right before she turned sixteen, she received the wonderful gift of sight via a signal-correcting retinal implant. As an unexpected bonus, she also gained the ability to flip a toggle switch and “see” the datastreams of the World Wide Web.
Thi...more
Thi...more
This is book two of a three part series. We first met Caitlin Decter in book one of the trilogy, W W W : W A K E.
Caitlin isn’t an ordinary teenager. Blind from birth she excelled in school as a math wiz and was able to surf the web by visualizing it’s complex pathways in her mind. Now Caitlin is the recipient of newly developed signal-processing implant that restores her sight in one eye. In the process she also finds she can communicate with something else that is emerging on the we...more
Caitlin isn’t an ordinary teenager. Blind from birth she excelled in school as a math wiz and was able to surf the web by visualizing it’s complex pathways in her mind. Now Caitlin is the recipient of newly developed signal-processing implant that restores her sight in one eye. In the process she also finds she can communicate with something else that is emerging on the we...more
Note: This review is slightly spoilerish; some of the themes I discuss are important to the overall story, but no actual plot points are revealed. Sawyer delivers his message through dialog between characters, so some of the ideas I mention do not get discussed till later in the book. If you had mixed feelings about book 1, you should read this review before deciding to read book 2.
The story of Caitlin and the emergent entity WebMind continues in Watch. The story picks up directly f...more
The story of Caitlin and the emergent entity WebMind continues in Watch. The story picks up directly f...more
I enjoyed the second part of this trilogy even though, by the end, I was really tired of bogus Canadian clichés. I'm Canadian and certainly didn't recognize myself or any of my friends in this view of how Canadian people are supposed to see themselves. It's Mr Sawyer doesn't have a clue of what Canada is even though he's supposed to be Canadian himself.
Still, the whole story about conscience deciding how it choose to evolve was nice. It's a nice dream but I'm to sarcastic to think th...more
Still, the whole story about conscience deciding how it choose to evolve was nice. It's a nice dream but I'm to sarcastic to think th...more
A bit less than 4 stars. Good enough I wouldn't feel hesitant about reading the trilogy's 3rd book - but I'm also not in a hurry.
The book touches on interesting topics. On the other hand, Watch deals with government policy to eliminate emergent AI's (as a potential threat). Yet, it does little more than portray this AI as friendly. The book has little to say about issues raised in SF & science about "laws of robotics" and other precautions for AI's. The book repeatedly refe...more
The book touches on interesting topics. On the other hand, Watch deals with government policy to eliminate emergent AI's (as a potential threat). Yet, it does little more than portray this AI as friendly. The book has little to say about issues raised in SF & science about "laws of robotics" and other precautions for AI's. The book repeatedly refe...more
I contemplated adding this book to my "Philosophy" shelf as well as the SF shelf. Underlying the continuing, entertaining story is a subtle investigation of the question, "What is the evolutionary value of consciousness?". Sawyer does, at least, give you his view on the matter and I am inclined to agree with his position. (Some authors like to just raise such questions and then never actually deal with them in a substantive way. I hate that kind of intellectual teasing.)
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I continue to love the world-building in this series. Just--this author *gets* the Internet, the way I, and people I know, use it. Caitlin updates her LiveJournal once and lists her mood as "exanimate". People are always on Facebook, IM, email, Google, YouTube, Wikipedia. There are Star Trek references all over the place. There's even a mention of MST3K and an allusion to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy! I love the theorizing about how consciousness first came about, what caused i...more
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Robert J. Sawyer is one of Canada's best known and most successful science fiction writers. He is the only Canadian (and one of only 7 writers in the world) to have won all three of the top international awards for science fiction: the 1995 Nebula Award for The Terminal Experiment, the 2003 Hugo Award for Hominids, and the 2006 John W. Campbell Memorial Award for Mindscan.
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“All right,” he said. “Since you asked, Webmind is an emergent quantum-computational system based on a stable null-sigma condensate that resists decoherence thanks to constructive feedback loops.” He turned to the blackboard, scooped up a piece of chalk, and began writing rapidly. “See,” he said, “using Dirac notation, if we let Webmind’s default conscious state be represented by a bra of phi and a ket of psi, then this would be the einselected basis.” His chalk flew across the board again. “Now, we can get the vector basis of the total combined Webmind alpha-state consciousness...”
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