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Conversation in the Cathedral

4.31 of 5 stars 4.31  ·  rating details  ·  3,421 ratings  ·  226 reviews
pbA Haunting tale of power, corruption,br and the complex search for identity/bpbConversation in The Cathedral/b takes place in 1950s Peru during the dictatorship of Manuel A. Odr#237;a. Over beers and a sea of freely spoken words, the conversation flows between two individuals, Santiago and Ambrosia, who talk of their tormented lives and of the overall degradation and fru ...more
Paperback, 601 pages
Published November 1st 1984 by Farrar Straus Giroux (first published January 1st 1969)
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Roozbeh Estifaee
Fantastic! Fan-tastic! "Conversation in the Cathedral" was definitely a big work of art, a real masterpiece. It was the first book by Llosa that I read (after a suggestion by my friend, Moeen) and I'm now eager to read some more of his. It was none of a magic realism but yet a pure South-American way of story telling, with so many "stories" happening.
The book starts when Santiago Zavala, journalist, meets with his rich father's former chauffeur, Ambrosio, and they go to the bar "Cathedral" to ha
از درگاه لاکرونیکا سانتیاگو بی هیچ عشق به خیابان تاکنا مینگرد: اتومبیلها، ساختمانهای ناموزون و رنگباخته، چارچوب پر زرق و برگ پوسترها شناور در مه، نیمروز خاکستری. دقیقا در کدام لحظه پرو [تو بخوان امریکای لاتین] خود را به گا... داده بود؟

رمان اینطور شروع میشه. مرور رو همینجا میشد تموم کرد

یوسا، کالبدشکاف دیکتاتوری

رمان گفتگو در کاتدرال حکایت سالهای دیکتاتوری ژنرال اودریا در سالهای دههی چهل و پنجاه پرو هست. سالهایی که تارهای دیکتاتوری تا مغز استخوان جامعه تنیده شده... خودش توی مصاحبهای گفته
خشونت رژ
Aldo Ramírez
This is the best novel I’ve read in my 45 years of life. It is probably due to the fact that being Peruvian makes me feel deeply identified in it. I see it as a huge painting about the mentality and feelings of people in Peru and why not of people in many other countries in Latin America and probably around the world since the search of absolute power inevitably leads to corruption everywhere.
This is a huge painting and indeed the most memorable intent to reach a “Total Novel” that I witnessed.
برخی از منتقدان این کتاب را برجسته ترین اثر یوسا میدانند.در این کتاب دو چیز بیش از هر چیز دیگر توجه خواننده را جلب میکند نخست وسعت دامنه ان و در بر گرفتن رویداد ها و شخصیت های متعدد است و دیگری ساختار پیچیده اش.زمینه کار یوسا در این رمان همچون اثار دیگرش بخشی از تاریخ معاصر پرو است که از دوران دیکتاتوری ژنرال اودریا (1948-56) تاحک.مت ویکتور بلائونده در اوایل 1960 را در برمیگیرد.
یوسا به جای آن که شخصیت دیکتاتور را محور اصلی داستان قرار دهد سراپای جامعه دیکتاتور زده را می کاود.جامعه ای که در آن هم
If Mario Vargas Llosa, had never written anything else, Conversation in the Cathedral would by rights earn him the Nobel Prize for Literature. It is a hefty novel (600 pages or so), but it is worth spending the time reading.

The novel is set during the dictatorship of Manuel Odria (1948-1956). The major characters are Santiago Zavala, nicknamed Zavalita, and Ambrosio Pardo. The first is the eldest scion of a rich family that is well tied in with the dictator; the second, a black former chauffeur
I must admit that I got off to a rocky start with Mario Vargas Llosa's Conversation in the Cathedral: after a dachshund is brutally clubbed to death in Chapter One* and a woman gets drugged and sexually assaulted in Chapter Two (by, moreover, sympathetic characters who don't ever seem quite to grasp the offensiveness of their actions), I was feeling a mite unfriendly toward the novel. By Chapter Three, though, I was reluctantly softening my stance, and by Chapter Four I was fully immersed in Var ...more

خواب چیز ِ خوبی ِ ، ولی خطرناک می شه اگر ندونی کی وقتش رسیده که بکنی ازش . ادامه اش یعنی ریاکاری و فریب. ادامه اش یعنی کابوس. یعنی درست روزی که راه می افتی به جایی بری. از میون آدم ها و خیابون های ِ آشنا می گذری. سر ِ چهار راه می ایستی . فکر می کنی. فکر می کنی که درست کی بود اون زمانی که خودت رو به گا دادی. و بعد از این بیداری دیگه چه معنایی با خودش داره؟ کابوس اومده و با تو ِ . همراه ات. و می دونی که حق داره.
بگرد دنبال ِ خودت اون جایی که وادادی. بگرد دنبال اون هیچی که تا این جا دنبالت دویده و
Luís Blue Yorkie
Mastery of the art of telling

A long time did not read as lengthy book and at the same time so exciting. The different collations of dialogues during the plot caused the reading to flow even more than I expected, since I have some "prejudice" against the books that are true tomes.hehe

On the history, interesting to note the common ground between the prefigured political reality in the novel and any other dictatorships of any ideologies, and main course, with what we saw / see in Latin America.In a
When ever I come to names such as “Liosa”, “Borges”, “Cortazar”, “Fuentes”... I wish I knew Spanish language, as I’m sure works by these authors would have a different aroma and melody in their own tongues. Liosa is, for me, one of the greatest story tellers, whose works give me deliciousness in Persian as well, (if it’s translated by Abdollah Kowsari, for example). Mario Bargas Liosa uses a highly sophisticated techniques with a very delicate language in multiple viewpoint, as if I’m listening ...more
Mi relación con este libro ha sido de amor-odio, a ratos embaucándome con los relatos del joven Zavalita y sus aventuras en la disidencia política del régimen Odriísta y a ratos sumergiéndome en el más profundo letargo de las hisorietas paralelas de Amalia, Trinidad, Trifulcio y el conchesumadre de turno. Me ha faltado el canto de un duro para sacar papel y boli y hacerme un croquis temporo-espacial de los personajes porque que nadie se equivoque, aquí el narrador no aclara nada, ¡no pardiez! qu ...more
Jul 15, 2013 Hossein rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Hossein by: محفل رمان خوانی
یکی از بهترین کتابهایی که خونده م. گفتگوهای لایه ای که درست در جایی که داری کلافه میشوی بهت نشانه خوب می دهند و براحتی تو را تا آخر کتاب می کشانند.
این ها را درباره کتاب در محفل کتابخوانی نوشته بودم

کتاب خیلی خشن شروع می شود. فضای کثیف و فضای سگی شهر را می توانی بخوبی حس کنی. روزنامه نگاری که بعدن می فهمی که می توانسته یک مرفه نشین باشد گفتگویی را آغاز می کند با راننده و خدمتکارشان که این روزها برای کمی پول سگ ها را داخل گونی با چند ضربه چوب می کشد. و جالب اینجاست که این گفتگو را چقدر دوست می دار
Vit Babenco
Conversation in the Cathedral is a story of decline and fall – deterioration of family, ultimate ruination of hopes and pursuits.
“The voice, the body are his, but he looks thirty years older. The same thin lips, the same flat nose, the same kinky hair. But now, in addition, there are purple bags on his eyelids, wrinkles on his neck, a greenish-yellow crust on his horse teeth. He thinks: they used to be so white. What a change, what a ruin of a man. He’s thinner, dirtier, so much older, but that’
John Gurney
A chance encounter at a dog pound brings two former acquaintances together. They go to a bar called the Cathedral where Santiago, son of a once rich and powerful government minister, and Ambrosio, his father's former chauffeur, talk. Santiago wants to know what role his father had in the murder of his former mistress, a one-time Lima showgirl with shadowy connections. This 1969 book is rightly famous because, though the flashback Point-of-View narrative style takes some getting used to, it is a ...more
Ali Nazifpour
This books follows a conversation in a bar called Cathedral. The conversation spans entire history of Peru as narrated by people who are engaged in politics, love, and paternal relationships. All of these narrations are interwoven, and sometimes the dialogues of different eras are woven together, but ultimately this is not a pretentious form of narration but makes the novel great because it emphasizes the inner relationship of past and present and the lives of different people. This novel could ...more
I've started this book several times before and have never been able to get very far. But this time I slowly got myself into its rhythm and enjoyed it. It certainly does have a lot to say about the search for personal identity in a corrupt world under a corrupt government which oppresses every attempt to proclaim a personal identity. In this case it's Peru in the 1950's, but one gets the sense that it could be aywhere, anytime. It's a masterwork of character development and, indeed, an example o ...more
I started this book in 1988 (when I had more time). I gave up.

I picked it up again in 2008. I'm not sure I'm happy with that decision.

I read a fair amount, and I read some reviews. I don't know if I've ever read a novel where I felt that reviewers were so systematically full of shit. Further, I've plugged people for their ideas about this novel, and found their opinions sorely lacking. I think a lot of them faked it. I didn't. Here's what I think.

Yes, there is a set of interesting storylines her
Mehdi khani
بعید می دانم که پس از صد سال تنهایی رمانی زیباتر از این در ادبیات آمریکای لاتین نوشته شده باشد.
سانتیاگو می گوید:بهترین چیز برای آدم همین است ،آمبرسیو،اعتقاد داشتن به حرفی که می زند و دوست داشتن کاری که می کند
جزم اندیش یا متفکر کلک پرو همیشه کنده است،این مملکت بدجوری شروع کرده و بدجوری هم تمام می کند.درست مثل ما ،زاوالیتا
شکوه این کتاب چنان مرا در خود گرفت که نمیتوان هیچ توصیفی برایش اینجا بنویسم. رمانی سرشار از درد ، رنج ،شادی ، عشق که البته با روایتی مدرن وذهنی پیچیده و خلاق بیان شده. ...more

Mario Vargas Llosa didn't make it easy. I read chapters 2 (rather disturbing) and 3 three times. I finally got my bearings by reading another reviewer's review.

It doesn't take long to figure out the Cathedral is a bar, but figuring out that Santiago Zavilita (also called Skinny by his family) and Ambrosio are the speakers takes a bit longer. Longer yet is the placing the other characters and getting used to the format. The best way to envision the conversation is thinking of a movie with the par
Mehdi Zandpoor
یکی از شاهکارهایی که خواندهام.جمع کردن این همه شخصیت و کنترل داستانهای مختلف و خطوط موازی در زمانهای مختلف البته با ترجمهی درخشان عبداله کوثری.
بعد از خواندن این رمان است که متوجه میشویم ساخت فیلمهایی مثل آمروروس پروس و سینمای آمریکای جنوبی ادامهی خط سیری است که ریشه در ادبیات این منطقه دارد....

سالهایی که در هم آمیخت،زاوالیتا،زندگی پیش پا افتادهی روز و یکنواختی شب، آبجو، روسپیخانه.داستانها، مقالهها.فکر میکند، اینقدر کاغذ که میتوانستی تا آخر عمر خودت را باهاشان پاک کنی.گفتگو در نگرونگرو، یکشنبهها
اگر قرار بود نام دیگری برای کتاب انتخاب کنم این بود: جامعه شناسی کودتا
شیوه های مختلف روایت در این کتاب قابل مشاهده و بررسی است و جان می دهد برای کلاس های داستان نویسی.
بهترین بخش کتاب نیز به نظر بنده توصیف لحظه مرگ یکی از شخصیت ها بود.(اسمش را به خاطر لو نرفتن داستان نمی گویم) هرچند که نه من و نه نویسنده این لحظه را تجربه نکرده ایم اما خیلی احساس واقعی بودن به آدم می داد.

در کل اگر دنبال داستان های پسامدرن با پرش های زمانی و مکانی و شخصیتی متعدد هستید، این کتاب را از دست ندهید. اما از همان ابتدای
It is definitely one of the books that you don't forget: the complexity and unfolding of characters, the play with time and points of view, the interlacing of dialogues. Even the punctuation, the use of direct and indirect speech made reading this novel and exciting adventure. Several different stories in the first two parts and then the pieces of the puzzle fall in place.
I feel that even if I read a few books on the history of Peru I wouldn't have learnt so much about the politics and the peop
An absolutely fascinating novel, not easy to read, but captivating...An introspective ”view” in Santiago*s self-becoming...It treats about political and social problems with an enormous sense of justice and objectivism...It deals also with strong feelings (such as love and hate)presented in an unique light - normal, without any exagerations...It speaks honestly about a ”wild” society, haunted by diverse interests...At last, but not at least, it*s a book of SURVIVAL...A MASTERPIECE!
Saharnaz s
وقتي ميفهمي داستان رو چه جور بخوني كه تموم شده!اون وقته كه از نو شروع به خوندن ميكني و سر نخ ها رو پيدا ميشند
Há críticas que me coíbo de fazer porque pressinto que são terrivelmente redutoras da obra, é o caso. Tudo o que possa escrever sobre estas 630 páginas da, considerada por alguns, opus magnum do "el príncipe" da literatura peruana/ latino americana será pouco, muito pouco, e só não fujo deixando as 5 estrelas porque seria também demasiado pouco (quase uma ingratidão)... As cinco estrelas, porque mais não existem por cá, surgem logo nas primeiras páginas deste romance que reportando-se, mormente, ...more
Olga Milemis
Releí La Conversación en la Catedral luego de varias décadas y me asombró que me pareciera tan actual. Esta es una novela de la época en la que Vargas Llosa tematizaba la injusticia en la que redundaba el orden social imperante en los países Sudamericanos. Si bien no es propiamente una novela histórica, el autor recrea situaciones reales como la oposición política, las represiones a los estudiantes y a grupos políticos considerados subversivos, las disputas y conspiraciones por el poder y, sobre ...more
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Aunque no he leído todas las novelas de Vargas Llosa, tengo la impresión de que Conversación en La Catedral es su obra cumbre. Secundo la opinión de los vargallosianos que sostienen que es un escritor irregular que ha escrito novelas magistrales como esta, La casa verde, La guerra del fin del mundo y La fiesta del chivo, pero también otras intrascendentes, como El sueño del celta. Se comprende perfectamente que le llevara años terminarla, pues no debe de ser nada fácil desplegar un fresco de la ...more
Amir ali
گفتگو در کاتدرال سومین رمان یوساست که در محیط شهر لیما شکل می گیرد .

داستان با دیدار دو تن از شخصیت های اصلی کتاب به نام های سانتیاگو زاوالا و آمبرسیو پرادو در کافه ای به نام کاتدرال شروع می شود و به نوعی تا پایان کتاب ادامه دارد . تعدادی داستان و گفت گو داریم که به صورت متناوب در قصه ظاهر می شوند و اصلا هم به ترتیب نمی باشند . به خصوص فصل اول که از نظر مکالمه شگفت انگیزه . تماما با مکالمه پیش می ره و مثلا توی یک صفحه شما در عین حال دارید 4 تا مکالمه را پیگیری می کنید درون هم . یعنی خیلی تمرکز می
This is a big, well-structured book that reflects the 1950's of Vargas Llosa's native Peru. The title actually refers to a conversation betweean two main characters, Santiago and Ambosio and how their lives are intertwined in the power and politics of the day. Santiago, son a of a powerful family throws everything away to become a journalist. His stance stirs up issues in his family while, Ambrosio is a dark-skinned poor man who works as a driver for two rival men. Stir in the dictatorship, poli ...more
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