The Last Christian

Jan 15, 2013 Blossom rated it 3 of 5 stars

What did I think? I was really taken in with this book. I gave it 3 stars but it's more like 3.25 perhaps. What I enjoyed about the book was the science fiction and the view of the future. I didn't think the author did particularly well with character descriptions; the emotional and mental descriptions were alright though. By that I mean I had only a vague idea of what the characters looked like so when the scenes centered around them, it was difficult to picture the character in the scenes.
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Nov 19, 2012 Shonna Froebel rated it 2 of 5 stars

Proselytizing through fiction is what I came away with from reading this book.
It's a thriller set in the year 2088, a time where Christianity has disappeared from North America. Abigail Caldwell emerges from a jungle village in Papua New Guinea, the sole survivor of a mysterious illness that killed the other villagers. Abby's parents were missionaries to the local Isisi tribe, and Abby lived her whole life there. Abby is assisted in making her way back to her parent's home country of the United...more

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Sep 27, 2012 Annamarie rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: christian-fiction, bookers-book-club-las-vegas

A bit of a slow start with chapters jumping across continents to introduce the thoughts of new characters. However, it quickly becomes a storyline that, although futuristic, is absolutely possible. Interesting to look back even a few years to when this book was written and see how our world has developed some of the same attributes of this fictional one-- where Christianity has been deemed obsolete. Sometimes the push to recognize the Holy Spirit as a living part of all Christians overcame the p...more

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Aug 03, 2011 Librarianforhim rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: bullying, christian-reading, action-adventure, future-fiction, suspense, read-in-2011

Why I started reading: A friend gave me an ARC of this book and it had been on my to-be-read shelf for quite awhile. When I learned it was nominated for a Christy, I thought I should get around to reading it.

Plot: Abby Caldwell, raised in an isolated jngle tribe flees to the outside world to seek help ofr her tribe when a mysterious illness sweepstrough her village. what she emerges into is a world where technology rules, human brains can now be replaced with a silcon replica, and God is a thing...more

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Jun 07, 2011 Joan rated it 4 of 5 stars Recommends it for: Christian and non-Christian alike

Recommended to Joan by: Sandra B.

I started this book thinking I wouldn't really like it. The premise was a little "soft." But then I got into it and actually found it to be a page turner! It certainly raised a lot of questions--Christian and not--in my mind. I liked the characters, especially Abby and Creighton. They make believable lovers (of a sort.) And the mystery/thriller part is good. Of course the technology is intriguing--I suppose my brain COULD be totally replaced with software (not too much would be needed!) But the...more

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Sep 07, 2010 Amy rated it 1 of 5 stars

The Last Christian, the latest from author David Gregory, is a story about a brave new world so overrun by technology that people have lost their connection to God. In fact, by 2088, Christianity is viewed by most Americans as an antiquated religion based on superstition. The remaining Christians are called “religionists” and treated as radicals. Humans interact widely in virtual reality (VR) using neural implants surgically inserted into their brains. Sound complicated? It is.

As the first trans...more The Last Christian, the latest from author David Gregory, is a story about a brave new world so overrun by technology that people have lost their connection to God. In fact, by 2088, Christianity is viewed by most Americans as an antiquated religion based on superstition. The remaining Christians are called “religionists” and treated as radicals. Humans interact widely in virtual reality (VR) using neural implants surgically inserted into their brains. Sound complicated? It is.

As the first trans-human is unveiled, that is, a human who has a biological body and a silicon brain, 34 year-old Abby Caldwell emerges from the Papua New Guinea jungles for the first time in her life. Raised by Christian missionaries in a tribe closed off from the rest of civilization, Abby seeks medical attention as her entire tribe falls victim to a deadly illness. Now homeless, Abby engages on a journey of her own to the United States in hopes of sharing the gospel with the deeply irreligious nation.

During her journeys, Abby meets up with several characters—both good and evil who help her on her quest. Most notably, Abby ends up in the arms of college professor, Creighton Daniels, who is the only character to speak in first person, which goes strangely unexplained. Like the other characters in The Last Christian, Abby is an underdeveloped female character, who seems like a “nice gal” that all the male characters want to rescue because “there’s something special about her.” Obviously, Christians are to recognize this as her Christ-likeness.

While the book held my interest, my lack of interest in the characters made me care little about what happened to them. My main interest, besides writing the review, was to examine the underlying message of how technology can erode our minds to the very point in which we can no longer sense God’s presence due to an overload of information. The author’s point, I believe, was to show us that life cannot last forever on this earth, and man’s attempts to achieve immortality are foolish. But the convoluted plot was part thriller, part witnessing tract, part philosophy, and a lesson on using technology wisely. I think there was a bit of romance thrown in there, too. Gregory tries to accomplish too much in one book.

What could have been an excellent book comes up short, though the ethical issues about life and artificial intelligence are quite interesting. Personally, I’d just rather reread Brave New World.(less)

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Jul 12, 2010 Sam rated it 5 of 5 stars

This is a fascinating book. My wife reads voraciously and it's rare she says, "Hey, you really should read this book." I am sure glad I did. It's a page turner, so be forewarned.

Anyway, plenty of reviewers have written synopses of the book. I offer instead what I think might be an ideal prologue or epilogue (or both). It's simply a quote from the last chapter in Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis entitled The New Men:

"Compared with the development of man on this planet, the diffusion of Christianit

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Jun 24, 2010 Shaun rated it 4 of 5 stars

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. As a big reader of non-fiction, it’s always a bit of a struggle for me to pick up a lengthy work of fiction. When I first heard about The Last Christian, I was intrigued by the synopsis of the story, but was a bit nervous about the length of the book. I decided to give it a try and definitely feel that I was well rewarded for my time and effort.

Fast forward to the year 2088. It’s the latter part of the 21st century and the world has drastically changed from what we know today in 2010. Life expec...more As a big reader of non-fiction, it’s always a bit of a struggle for me to pick up a lengthy work of fiction. When I first heard about The Last Christian, I was intrigued by the synopsis of the story, but was a bit nervous about the length of the book. I decided to give it a try and definitely feel that I was well rewarded for my time and effort.

Fast forward to the year 2088. It’s the latter part of the 21st century and the world has drastically changed from what we know today in 2010. Life expectancy has been greatly lengthened. Many diseases have been eradicated. Nearly everyone has neural implants allowing them instant access to the grid (i.e. world wide web) and virtual reality. While all of these changes have been taking place in the outside world, life has remained unchanged amongst the Inisi tribe people in the jungles of Papa New Gineau. This is precisely where we find the story’s main character, Abigail Caldwell. She has spent all 34 years of her life amongst the Inisi, having been born to missionary parents. When we first encounter Abigail, something has gone horribly wrong in her village. She is the only one who has not contracted a strange illness that comes on quickly and ultimately results in death. Running out of time and options, she sets out on a desperate journey through the jungle in search of help. Although she is able to enlist the help of Dr. Kate Sampson from Meridian Hospital in Lae, she returns too late. Upon their return to the Inisi village, they discover that Abigail is the sole survivor.

Having lost everything she ever knew, Abigail returns to Lae with Dr. Sampson. Shortly after her arrival, she receives a previously undelivered message from her grandparents. The message had been sent to Abigail on her eighteenth birthday, some sixteen birthdays ago. In this message her grandparents explain that Christianity has all but disappeared in America. They go on to further explain that they feel God has allowed the church to die in America for a specific purpose and that God has revealed to them the person he will use to rebuild the Christian church in America. That person is Abigail. While she is shocked by this prophetic message from her grandparents, it does give her some much needed direction and she sets her sights on traveling to America.

Soon after her arrival in the America, Abigail quickly discovers that the United States of 2088 is vastly different than what her parents knew so many years ago. This is where the multiple story lines that have been developing in the early parts of the book begin to converge. While Abigail is struggling to figure out how she will share the gospel with the American people, there are many others who would have her silenced. As the story develops, the reader begins to unpack a complex web of murder, cover up, and deception, all culminating in a riveting conclusion.

As I read this book I couldn’t help but have somewhat of a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach as I realized that there is an almost prophetic nature to the author’s description of America in the year 2088. Given our culture’s current political and spiritual trajectory, this story may not be too far from the truth. Also, as technological advance unfold at an unprecedented rate, the lines between reality and virtual reality will continue to blur. What we only experience in part today through video games and various online realities seems to have been pushed to its logical end in this story. It is important for us to consider the social and moral fallout in the real world (i.e. reality) that results from a life that is largely lived in virtual reality. This story also begs the reader to consider questions about where life actually ends and what it truly means to have eternal life. All things considered, The Last Christian was a fast paced, thought provoking and enjoyable read. My overall rating for this book is 4 stars.

Author Information:
David Gregory is the best-selling author of Dinner with a Perfect Stranger, A Day with a Perfect Stranger, The Next Level, and the coauthor of the nonfiction The Rest of the Gospel. After a ten-year business career, he returned to school to study religion and communications, earning master’s degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary and the University of North Texas. A native of Texas, he now lives in the Pacific Northwest.

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This book was provided for review by WaterBrook Press.(less)

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May 29, 2010 Kristi (Books and Needlepoint) rated it 5 of 5 stars

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My synopsis: Abby Caldwell has spent her entire life living with the Inisi tribe in the jungle outside Papau, New Guinea with her missionary parents. When the tribe is shut off from the outside world to enable it to keep it's cultural integrity, Abby and her family lose contact with everything and everyone. Abby's mother and father die, but she chooses to stay as the tribe is the only family she has ever known. When the tribe begin dying, she struggles out of the jungle to try to save them - but...more My synopsis: Abby Caldwell has spent her entire life living with the Inisi tribe in the jungle outside Papau, New Guinea with her missionary parents. When the tribe is shut off from the outside world to enable it to keep it's cultural integrity, Abby and her family lose contact with everything and everyone. Abby's mother and father die, but she chooses to stay as the tribe is the only family she has ever known. When the tribe begin dying, she struggles out of the jungle to try to save them - but is too late.

Since her village had to be burned, to contain the sickness from spreading to other tribes, she has no place to go but to the family in America she knows nothing about. She discovers that her grandfather had sent her a message 16 years earlier. In the message, he tells her that he and her grandmother believe that she is the hope for America - to bring back the gospel and the belief in Jesus. As the year is 2088, it has been many years since anyone has believed in Christianity and to preach that it is the true religion is considered a hate crime.

Congresswoman Lauren Caldwell is Abby's only living relative - and she would prefer Abby return to New Guinea. She is up for re-election and is afraid that with Abby's appearance her chances are going to go from slim to none. She is in cohoots with Bryson Nichols who is championing the conversion of "carbon-based" brains to "silicone" ones. He has already had his changed. This will enable him to live forever. He believes there will come a time when people choose to just live in virtual reality and not even have bodies (creepy!). Abby's grandfather Ray had been working alongside Nichols when he dies from a brain aneuryism. How is this man the same one that sent Abby the message that she needs to reintroduce Christianity? Will Abby return to her own country - or take the challenge set before her?

My thoughts: This was such a good book! On one hand, it is hard to wrap my head around all the virtual reality stuff in the book and then I think about all the stuff that is different in the last 25 years - cell phones, CD's, DVD's, Internet. I bet our parents would never have envisioned anything like that. But to have Christianity die out is just something that I cannot even fathom - but it also put the question before me - what am I doing to ensure that it doesn't?
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May 28, 2010 Jennifer Defoy rated it 5 of 5 stars

Shelves: 2010-reads, random-house-blog-tour-book

This book was amazing. It had a little of everything in it.

The technical aspect of the book was very interesting to me. The idea that all people can be connected to each other constantly was very interesting. It added a new level of intrigue to the story. In this story technology has tried to rid the world of the social ills that had once existed. However it seems that technology has taken one thing away from the culture...

The story was pretty faced paced, right from the beginning. And while th...more

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May 27, 2010 Sandra Stiles rated it 5 of 5 stars

Shelves: christian, science-fiction, thriller

What an awesome look at what our future might hold. Abby is an American raised in isolation with the Inisi tribe. When her people start dying she leaves the village and seeks help not knowing who to trust. Upon returning to the village she finds all have perished. No one can explain the strange illness that killed everyone in her village and no one can explain why she alone survived. After receiving a strange message from her grandfather, Abby goes to America to bring Christianity back to a nati...more

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May 27, 2010 Molly rated it 5 of 5 stars Recommends it for: everyone

Recommended to Molly by: Waterbrook Multnomah

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Okay. Wow. Different. Definitely different. Honestly, when I opened the book and started reading it, I was really confused and didn't think that I was going to like it. But I was willing to give it a shot and boy am and I glad I did. I ended up liking it ALOT better than I thought I would, especially since I have never read this style of book before nor had I planned on reading one of this nature either. But, David Gregory hooked me. It was a complex novel, one that I think mixes sci-fi thrills...more

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May 26, 2010 Cafelilybookreviews rated it 4 of 5 stars

I’m usually not one to read anything in the “science fiction” genre but I have to admit – The Last Christian intrigued me, made me *think* and kept me reading!

Imagine suddenly waking up 30 years from now and having technology so advanced that humans are able to have brain transplants, the internet has been replaced with something bigger and better, cars no longer rely on drivers and virtual reality visits are a way of life.

And the biggest change of all? Christianity is pretty much obsolete.

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May 25, 2010 Linda B rated it 4 of 5 stars

In the future, it’s possible to live forever—but at what cost?
The year is A.D. 2088, and Christianity has died in America. The Last Christian is an interesting look at a futuristic world where Christianity has almost died out. In the jungles of Papua New Guinea, Abigail Caldwell has lost her family and her entire village from a mysterious brain disease. She receives a unexpected 16 year-old recorded message from her grandfather asking her to go to America and spread the gospel. Is Abby ready for...more

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May 14, 2010 Kristina rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: 2010, fiction, waterbrook-press, science-fiction

Abigail Caldwell had no idea what she was getting into as she paddled her canoe down the jungle rivers in Papua New Guinea. All she knew was she had to save her tribe and to do that, she needed to get help. Even her daughter, Miraba needed her help. The expedition for aid turns into a life changing event for Abby as she not only leaves the only life she has ever known, but travels to a country so technologically advanced that the population has explained away God--and it's her responsibility to...more

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Jun 15, 2010 Cori rated it 3 of 5 stars

Now that I sit down to write this post, I think my so-so rating for this book comes more from my usual choice of books as opposed to the actual book itself. This read sort of like any action/political thriller, and because I don’t read many of them, I don’t have a lot to compare it to. The pacing was great — it just sailed along. The characters were interesting and well drawn, although Abby, who was 34, seemed about 16 throughout the book. Her dialogue didn’t come across as naive as it did child...more

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Aug 04, 2011 JParsons1974 Parsons added it

407 pages . Science fiction from a Christian perspective." It is set in the 2088 and deals with a girl who grew up in the jungles with a remote tribe and comes out to find the US now a completely secular nation" Technology has reached a point where it is now possible to upload the contents of a human brain into a computer. The book explores the question do you have to have a body to have a connection with God? Would a person who is now in a computer be a moral being capable of repentence? What a...more

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Jun 10, 2010 Julie rated it 5 of 5 stars

Recommended to Julie by: Stacy Carmichael

Shelves: all-time-favs, christian-fiction, fiction, sci-fi, thriller

What if you were the last Christian on the face of the earth? What would you do? That's how it is Abby. She's grown up on an island in Papau New Guinea and when her tribe is all murdered, she goes to America to try to find out why. It's like stepping into a Brave New World for her. Everything is so different and no one believes in God whatsoever. Virtual reality is an easy escape, cars are automated, and people communicate through taps on a grid system.

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Feb 08, 2011 John rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Think of it as a set-in-the-future mashup of Prey and End of the Spear, but without the creative future-seeing of 1984, Looking Backward, or even Jennifer Government.

The only two things that differentiate this vision of 2088 from the real world of 2011 are that (a) there is more tech in the world and (b) there is less Jesus in America. Otherwise, it's written too close to the mentality of the modern day to portray a world that has eight more decades of experience and history under its belt.

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Aug 05, 2011 Scott Ray rated it 5 of 5 stars

Good Christian fiction book. It seemed to me like all Christian fiction now had to do with the end of the world or either back in prairie times. I had struggled to find any that seemed interesting.

This book on the other hand is very good. It is set in the 2088 and deals with a girl who grew up in the jungles with a remote tribe and comes out to find the US now a completely secular nation. She has to deal with a governmental/medical conspiracy while also trying to bring the Gospel back to the nat...more

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May 25, 2010 Kate rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: received-for-review

Wow! This was such an intriguing premise. Abby spent her entire life as the child of Christian missionaries growing up in an isolated village in Papua New Guinea. After a disaster wipes out her village, she makes her way back to America and learns that Christianity has all but died out there. She also receives a video message from her grandparents, recorded on her 18th birthday, telling her that God has impressed upon their hearts that she has been chosen to reignite Christianity in the United S...more Wow! This was such an intriguing premise. Abby spent her entire life as the child of Christian missionaries growing up in an isolated village in Papua New Guinea. After a disaster wipes out her village, she makes her way back to America and learns that Christianity has all but died out there. She also receives a video message from her grandparents, recorded on her 18th birthday, telling her that God has impressed upon their hearts that she has been chosen to reignite Christianity in the United States. What a surprising message to receive at such a time of upheaval in your life, eh?

The world portrayed in this book is fascinating. Set in 2088, the technological advances are astonishing but also pretty believable. When I consider how quickly our technology has advanced just during my lifetime, it is not that far of a leap to see virtual reality widely adopted and accessible through a computer chip within the brain, which is connected to an upgraded version of the Internet (called the Grid). And their newest prospect--of being able to download and replace your brain with a high-tech silicon version--is incredible and scary at the same time. To Christians in the story, it is horrifying because switching to an unnatural brain eliminates their humanity and thus their spiritual connection with God. A frightening concept, made more pressing as the owners of this technology look to use unscrupulous methods to influence the population to have these brain transplants to avoid death. The technology depicted in the novel gave it a science fiction flavor, which surprised me. I don't think I've actually read a Christian science fiction novel before.

Characters are always an important part of my reading experience. I liked Abby, but even though she was coming into America knowing little about the society and current technology, I thought that she was almost too naive at times. She seemed like such a bright girl that sometimes her prolonged confusion didn't make sense to me. Creighton Daniels was a particularly appealing character to me because he's a History professor. The way that education is portrayed in this high-tech future was mind-boggling.

There were a few places where some Christian readers might disagree with some of Abby's theology (she doesn't adhere to the literal 7-day creation, for example) but it wasn't a problem for me (probably because I tend to look at creation in the same way Abby does in the book). It will depend on the reader's own theological stance, and it is but a small part of the larger story, which is filled with action, suspense, a bit of romance, and a frightening prediction of a future that places its faith in technology rather than in God.(less)

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Jun 12, 2010 Megan rated it 4 of 5 stars

The Last Christian is a novel set in 2088. After tragedy hits the tribe she's been living with in New Guinea, Abigail Caldwell returns to America, following a 16 year old message from her grandparents to bring Christianity back to America! Americans have neural implants; they live and communicate largely through virtual reality, and the newest development in technology and medicine is brain transplants, utilizing silicon brains. Some believe that this could eliminate death.

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Jun 11, 2010 Kathleen Kelly rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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The Last Christian is a story that could very well happen in the future. This book is really about two things. The technology that allows for artificial brain transplants and Jesus/God. In 2088 the internet is obsolete as is Christianity. One has been replaced by the Grid and the other has not. People have no memories of religion. Life is all about technology. Cars that need no drivers and books are also obsolete. People would prefer to read all they need on the Grid. Virtual Reality is no longe...more

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May 10, 2010 Mandy rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: blog-reviews, fiction, mandys-reads, read-in-2010

MY REVIEW:

This book will keep you on the edge of your seat!

Wow! It's full of suspense, intrigue, and hope in dire times. This genre is not normally something I look to read, but this story was captivating and interesting to read. I enjoyed the thick plot, the deep characters, and the well written story. The Last Christian is not only a good story, but also reminder to those of us to stand up for what is right. The look into the future with this book gave me a weird feeling and was sobering, but...more

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Sep 18, 2011 Paul rated it 4 of 5 stars Recommends it for: Everyone, excepting small bursts of violence

A phenomenal Effort from writer David Gregory actually shocked Me at how good This was, as any christian Who has read any christian novel, We all know that there is absolutely no such thing as Christian science-fiction.. Until now. while at times unlikely seeming, (like much of science-fiction) there are no egregious plot-holes that would directly jar the reader out of this reality. of course You have one plot device however, the procedure which 'removes the soul' that is a bit hard, but works m...more

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Jul 24, 2011 Becky rated it 3 of 5 stars

Missionary daughter Abigail Caldwell emerges from the jungle for the first time in her thirty-four years, the sole survivor of a mysterious disease that killed her village. Abby goes to America, only to discover a nation where Christianity has completely died out. A curious message from her grandfather assigns her a surprising mission: re-introduce the Christian faith to America, no matter how insurmountable the odds.

I picked this up from the library on a whim, I had nothing to read, and it look...more

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May 02, 2013 Tammy Lyons rated it 5 of 5 stars

The Last Christian is an amazing glimpse into a probable future of the American Christian. Using instances and ideas that have already come to pass, the author takes us on a journey of "what if." I'm generally not a fan of science fiction, but Gregory's use of association between the human brain and the soul is a revealing message. The revelations that the main character, Abby, experiences are also eye-opening and bring a message of what the new (albeit old and lost) form of evangelism should be...more

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Aug 03, 2011 Grant Davis added it

Interesting book, but not quite the caliber of what I am used to reading out of David Gregory. His works in the past have always been so much more concise and to the point, where this novel at times drug out in the storyline with secondary storylines, but then at other times abbreviated chances to teach... this being said though, this book was very thought provoking about what our future generations could look like (although, I don't believe he takes into account that not everybody is a jet-sett...more

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Jun 01, 2010 Margaret rated it 5 of 5 stars

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. Wow! I'm not a science fiction reader at all but this was EXCELLENT!

Synopsis of the book: In the future, it’s possible to live forever—but at what cost?

A.D. 2088.

Missionary daughter Abigail Caldwell emerges from the jungle for the first time in her thirty-four years, the sole survivor of a mysterious disease that killed her village. Abby goes to America, only to discover a nation where Christianity has completely died out. A curious message from her grandfather assigns her a surprising mission:...more Wow! I'm not a science fiction reader at all but this was EXCELLENT!

Synopsis of the book: In the future, it’s possible to live forever—but at what cost?

A.D. 2088.

Missionary daughter Abigail Caldwell emerges from the jungle for the first time in her thirty-four years, the sole survivor of a mysterious disease that killed her village. Abby goes to America, only to discover a nation where Christianity has completely died out. A curious message from her grandfather assigns her a surprising mission: re-introduce the Christian faith in America, no matter how insurmountable the odds.

But a larger threat looms. The world's leading artificial intelligence industrialist has perfected a technique for downloading the human brain into a silicon form. Brain transplants have begun, and with them comes the potential of eliminating physical death altogether—but at what expense?

As Abby navigates a society grown more addicted to stimulating the body than nurturing the soul, she and Creighton Daniels, a historian troubled by his father's unexpected death, become unwitting targets of powerful men who will stop at nothing to further their nefarious goals. Hanging in the balance—the spiritual future of all humanity.

In this futuristic thriller, startling near-future science collides with thought-provoking theology. The Last Christian is a provocative “what if?” novel from David Gregory, best-selling author of Dinner With a Perfect Stranger.

My Opinion:

When I agreed to review this book, I was not thrilled about it to be honest. I do not like science fiction, never had. But I have to say this book was amazing. They way they tied together the past and the present was seamless. Abby Caldwell was the perfect leading lady and the flow of the story was excellent. From a Christian perspective, there are many lessons to be learned: Abby's bravery and steadfastness about confessing her faith, people making the ultimate sacrifice for others, the thought of what could happen if we remain cavalier about our Christian faith. I would highly recommend this book and I just may read it again myself!(less)

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Sep 07, 2011 Steven rated it 4 of 5 stars

Interesting story set in a secular future (2088), where people routinely live over 100 years, much of that time in virtual reality, where memories and knowledge can be downloaded from your brain onto silicon, eventually leading to digital brains and a trans-human "eternal" existence, where one's consciousness might theoretically exist forever in virtual reality.

An adult child of Christian missionaries who has lived her whole life in the jungle confronts this modern world, and here's where the b...more

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