What They Always Tell Us
by
Martin Wilson (Goodreads Author)
JAMES AND ALEX have barely anything in common anymore—least of all their experiences in high school, where James is a popular senior and Alex is suddenly an outcast. But at home, there is Henry, the precocious 10-year-old across the street, who eagerly befriends them both. And when Alex takes up running, there is James’s friend Nathen, who unites the brothers in moving and...more
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August 12th 2008
by Delacorte Books for Young Readers
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Dec 07, 2012
Nancy
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5 of 5 stars
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Recommended to Nancy by:
Thomas
What They Always Tell Us is a very simple, quiet story told from the perspective of two brothers who live in Alabama. James is a high school senior. Even though he’s smart, has lots of friends, and is on the tennis team, the only thing he wants is to go to college and leave Alabama. Alex, a junior, is James’ younger brother. While he’s not as smart, athletic, or as popular as James, he has other qualities that James lacks – Alex is sensitive, caring, generous and compassionate.
Alex and James we...more
Alex and James we...more
What They Always Tell Us is about two brothers, James and Alex, who are unlike each other in many ways - James is outgoing and popular, while Alex is compassionate and reserved. After Alex attempts to take his life at a party, James is left wondering what went wrong. Then, Alex meets James's friend Nathan, and the two form a friendship that could grown into something more.
This book is simple and stunning. As of May 2011, even after two years, it remains one of the best books I've ever read and m...more
This book is simple and stunning. As of May 2011, even after two years, it remains one of the best books I've ever read and m...more
Sep 09, 2010
Lisa
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
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“Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words can never hurt you.”
“Yeah, that’s what they always tell us.”
“But it’s not really true, is it?”
“Not really. Lots of things they tell us aren’t true. A lot of what they tell us is garbage.”
“Then why do they tell us stuff like that?”
“I don’t know.”
How did we ever dare to allow such a trite cliché to persist? Words do hurt; they cut to the quick, and once delivered, the damage can’t be undone. Martin Wilson’s What They Always Tell Us is an impacting...more
“Yeah, that’s what they always tell us.”
“But it’s not really true, is it?”
“Not really. Lots of things they tell us aren’t true. A lot of what they tell us is garbage.”
“Then why do they tell us stuff like that?”
“I don’t know.”
How did we ever dare to allow such a trite cliché to persist? Words do hurt; they cut to the quick, and once delivered, the damage can’t be undone. Martin Wilson’s What They Always Tell Us is an impacting...more
Jul 25, 2011
Leslie Nicoll
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
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This book had been on my radar for quite a while—it was a Lambda Literary Award nominee in 2008 for Young Adult/Children’s Fiction—but I never got around to reading it. However, as I noted in my review of I’ll Get There. It Better Be Worth The Trip, there were three essays at the end, one of which was written by Martin Wilson. That spurred me on to picking up What They Always Tell Us and I am glad I finally did.
As I suspect everyone who reads my reviews knows, young adult books are my guilty ple...more
As I suspect everyone who reads my reviews knows, young adult books are my guilty ple...more
Apr 16, 2008
Jennifer
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Recommends it for:
EVERYONE!
Shelves:
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teen-queer
This is a great book dealing with depression, suicide attempts, and sexuality. However, it deals with so much more like compassion, relationships between brothers, social expectations, rumors, fear, and social posturing. I am not sure I can really describe exactly how well this books delves into a young persons psyche just trust me it does it well.
Told in alternating chapters between 2 brothers (1 year apart) dealing with the attempted suicide of the younger brother. This book is NOT heavy han...more
Told in alternating chapters between 2 brothers (1 year apart) dealing with the attempted suicide of the younger brother. This book is NOT heavy han...more
This is probably the best book I have every read about growing up--at least the most similar to how I grew up. It is a story of two brothers who both have to deal with repercussions of one night and the trickle effect it has on their entire life from high school to the family to themselves.
I think what I loved most was that neither brother was a simple character but they each surprised me in how clearly well rounded they were. I think it is very hard to not to rely on high school stereotypes but...more
I think what I loved most was that neither brother was a simple character but they each surprised me in how clearly well rounded they were. I think it is very hard to not to rely on high school stereotypes but...more
This is a story about a kid struggling to discover his sexual orientation along with his place in his universe. The book opens with the aftermath of an attempted suicide, and things unfold from there. The suicide is not a result of his realizing that he is gay - that happens through the story.
The chapters alternate between his and his brother's worldviews - his brother being a senior and also trying to make sense of the weirdness of high school and a general malaise about the future. It's told...more
The chapters alternate between his and his brother's worldviews - his brother being a senior and also trying to make sense of the weirdness of high school and a general malaise about the future. It's told...more
I'm maybe getting a little burned out on probably-heavily-autobiographical-MFA-theses-set-during-the-author's-undisclosed-teen-years that get turned into YA fiction because of the teen protagonists. There are a lot of them, especially queer ones, and I can't help but feel that these authors don't read YA... in part because they so often privilege their own voice over the characters' voices.
Anyway, there were things I liked about this book -- many of the boys' interactions felt authentic, and th...more
Anyway, there were things I liked about this book -- many of the boys' interactions felt authentic, and th...more
It started out slow and at times boring. Ok, it was kind of boring throughout. But what I gathered is that sometimes boring stuff makes you contemplate on the complicated emotions humans possess. There was a sense of restlessness right at the beginning of the story when an accident at a party cause a drift between brothers, Alex and James. You could already sense the confusion and frustration that was facing the older brother, James. I felt that the 'cold' treatment he was giving off to his brot...more
After a kind of slow start this book actually proved to be pretty good. It’s a young-adult book that kind of takes a different look on family, friendship and love…with two brothers in focus. ´
Alex and James are only one year apart in age, Alex 16 and a half and James about one year older, but they might as well be living in different universes. James is a varsity Tennis player, he’s always at a party or hanging with his friends…or whatever girl he’s currently dating. He’s cool and popular and pr...more
Alex and James are only one year apart in age, Alex 16 and a half and James about one year older, but they might as well be living in different universes. James is a varsity Tennis player, he’s always at a party or hanging with his friends…or whatever girl he’s currently dating. He’s cool and popular and pr...more
This book seemed to me to be an Ordinary People for a more self-aware age. Only in this case the brother is not lost but only almost lost. It seems that every author has a coming out story that they want to tell and this does indeed include one as well, but its more than than just that. Here the whole struggling with one's sexuality issue is actually more subdued and not the be-all and end-all that its presented as in so many other stories.
Being told from the viewpoint of both the younger and t...more
Being told from the viewpoint of both the younger and t...more
What They Always Tell us is told from two point of views. Alex, the younger brother, who is a social outcast after he makes a mistake at a party and James, the older brother, who is mister popularity. The boys used to be close when they were younger, but ever since Alex's mistake, they've grown apart. The novel follows the two boys relationship with each other and Alex's friendship with Nathen - his brothers friend - and Henry, the strange boy across the street.
I absolutely loved this novel! It...more
I absolutely loved this novel! It...more
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This is a story about two brothers, James and Alex. James is a high school senior whose main concern is getting into Duke. He’s grown weary of all of the parties and juvenile behavior of his friends and just wants to move away from Alabama. Alex is James’s younger brother. He has turned into a social pariah at school due to an incident at a party where he drank Pine-Sol. The only person who talks to him is James’s friend, Nathen, who encourages Alex to try out for the cross country team, and tur...more
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This story is about two brothers and a year that changes their lives and the way they see the world. James is a popular high school boy who suddenly realizes he has outgrown everyone around him. The parties and hangouts he used to enjoy just don't seem that important anymore. In addition to his friends, he finds that he just cannot understand his brother anymore and they used to be so close.
Alex realizes that his friends just don't understand him anymore. After he swallowed Pine-Sol at a party...more
Alex realizes that his friends just don't understand him anymore. After he swallowed Pine-Sol at a party...more
What They Always Tell Us
Martin Wilson
Delacorte Press, c2008, 291 pages, $15.99
Social Issues in homosexuality for YAL
ISBN 978-0-385-73507-0
In What They Always Tell Us, Martin Wilson illustrates the unique relationship that exists between two brothers. James and Alex are going through high school intent on simply making it through. With Alex’s recent social flop of drinking cleaning solution at a high school party resulting in complete rejection from Alex’s friends, James must try and finish his...more
Martin Wilson
Delacorte Press, c2008, 291 pages, $15.99
Social Issues in homosexuality for YAL
ISBN 978-0-385-73507-0
In What They Always Tell Us, Martin Wilson illustrates the unique relationship that exists between two brothers. James and Alex are going through high school intent on simply making it through. With Alex’s recent social flop of drinking cleaning solution at a high school party resulting in complete rejection from Alex’s friends, James must try and finish his...more
I bought this book several years ago -- before I knew about MM romance and just got acquainted with LGBT fiction. I haven't had the chance to read it because well, no romance made it less appealing. Until now, when I got bored with what published MM titles could offer ...
This story is WONDERFUL. It follows the life of two brothers:
Alex, the younger one, who feels alienated and lonely and different. His friends look at him as loser, after he drank a bottle of Pine-Sol at a party. And James, the...more
This story is WONDERFUL. It follows the life of two brothers:
Alex, the younger one, who feels alienated and lonely and different. His friends look at him as loser, after he drank a bottle of Pine-Sol at a party. And James, the...more
Nov 18, 2012
Helene
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
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ya-yaparanormal
This book is truly beautiful, a must read for teenagers especially but for everyone really. The author takes up some really heavy subjects and handle them extremely well. There are so many things going on in this book but it never felt artificial. It's just everyday life told by the brothers Alex and James.
Alex struggles to come back from depression and suicide attempt while being shunned by almost everybody.
James struggles with his own feelings of shock, anger, helplessness and fear because of...more
Alex struggles to come back from depression and suicide attempt while being shunned by almost everybody.
James struggles with his own feelings of shock, anger, helplessness and fear because of...more
Well, this is a I can't decide between 3 and 4 so I'll round up.
Here's why: it's very, very character driven. Which is great. Stories aren't all about plot, and this one was, honestly pretty-boring plot wise. There wasn't anything really moving the narrative progression forward, though you are definitely connected to the characters. That said, for realistic fiction, especially YA realistic fiction, sometimes the plots are...completely crap. Sometimes, life is just a series of stupid things, lik...more
Here's why: it's very, very character driven. Which is great. Stories aren't all about plot, and this one was, honestly pretty-boring plot wise. There wasn't anything really moving the narrative progression forward, though you are definitely connected to the characters. That said, for realistic fiction, especially YA realistic fiction, sometimes the plots are...completely crap. Sometimes, life is just a series of stupid things, lik...more
Normally when I read books I cycle through about five or so until I find one that really consumes me. I will then focus on that book until I have exhausted its pages and digested the plot. With this novel, it took me a while to finally admit to myself that I was engrossed in the story. Such is the subtlety of this brilliant novel that you are pulled in immediately and only later does it hit you that you have been invested all along.
Alex is a quiet boy who shatters his family's complacent securit...more
Alex is a quiet boy who shatters his family's complacent securit...more
Originally reviewed on The Book Smugglers: HERE
What They Always Tell Us is a wonderful, beautiful story about two brothers who were once very close, then drifted apart and slowly find their way to each other. The story is told in alternating chapters from each brother’s perspective and it follows both throughout this one year in their lives.
Alex is the youngest one, the quiet, solitary brother who’s been dealing with the repercussions of drinking Pine Sol one day at a party and ending up in hosp...more
What They Always Tell Us is a wonderful, beautiful story about two brothers who were once very close, then drifted apart and slowly find their way to each other. The story is told in alternating chapters from each brother’s perspective and it follows both throughout this one year in their lives.
Alex is the youngest one, the quiet, solitary brother who’s been dealing with the repercussions of drinking Pine Sol one day at a party and ending up in hosp...more
This books touches upon a variety of tough/important topics like attempted suicide, homosexuality, friends, and family. If that wasn't too vague!
The characters all felt extremely real without boringly or obnoxiously so. The first few chapters read very emo/apathetic and I was worried it would turn out to be a "woe is me" type story that did alot of whining. However, after the initial weekend, a new vivaciousness appears in the characters and things start to get better.
I think the only thing that...more
The characters all felt extremely real without boringly or obnoxiously so. The first few chapters read very emo/apathetic and I was worried it would turn out to be a "woe is me" type story that did alot of whining. However, after the initial weekend, a new vivaciousness appears in the characters and things start to get better.
I think the only thing that...more
I had heard a lot of good things about this book and was very excited to read it. I ended up reading it in its entirety on a Saturday and just couldn’t put it down. At first, I was skeptical of the perspective alternating between brothers but, once I was well into the book, I found that it didn’t take away from my reading experience at all. I, maybe predictably, did enjoy Alex’s parts of the story more, however.
The actual romance aspect of the book was very well done. In fact, I wish there was m...more
The actual romance aspect of the book was very well done. In fact, I wish there was m...more
It’s pretty obvious where this book is headed, long before it gets there. There’s more than 100 pages of thinly disguised hints before Wilson reveals whether he’s writing a heartfelt message book or an unconventional teen romance.
Of course it’s a good bit of both, and to his credit, Wilson maintains a believable balance. Alex is near-perfect as a confused and depressed 16-year-old who finds what it means to be sincerely happy. His brother, James, is equally convincing as the cool senior who isn...more
Of course it’s a good bit of both, and to his credit, Wilson maintains a believable balance. Alex is near-perfect as a confused and depressed 16-year-old who finds what it means to be sincerely happy. His brother, James, is equally convincing as the cool senior who isn...more
In the interest of full-disclosure, let me say at the outset that I'm a gay teenager (18) and can't think of a strong enough word or words to describe how much I LOVED this book.
I actually finished reading it about a week ago and wanted to let it settle in before I reviewed it. Over the past week, I have been
thinking about this book over and over.
I've been reading a lot of fast-paced novels that are more adventure-oriented, so this was a totally refreshing change of pace. This is a very charac...more
I actually finished reading it about a week ago and wanted to let it settle in before I reviewed it. Over the past week, I have been
thinking about this book over and over.
I've been reading a lot of fast-paced novels that are more adventure-oriented, so this was a totally refreshing change of pace. This is a very charac...more
WHEN THINGS KICK OFF WITH THE TYPICAL AMERICAN TEENAGE PROBLEMS ("suicide" "drugs" "popularity" "mean-bullies" "homophobia") similarly to Geography Club or The Perks of Being A Wallflower or Will Grayson Will Grayson or even Beautiful Creatures or even movies like Mean Girls or Easy A my reactions would be like

I'm not belittling American or saying I'm not empathetic but it's just annoying when authors tend to press on more depression in my brain about these problematic things. Do you get what I'...more

I'm not belittling American or saying I'm not empathetic but it's just annoying when authors tend to press on more depression in my brain about these problematic things. Do you get what I'...more
Book club book. A quiet book about two brothers in high school in a small town in Alabama. James is a jock with good grades who feels increasingly distanced from his younger brother Alex after Alex drinks Pine-Sol at a party and becomes a social outcast. When James's friend Nathen befriends Alex and then becomes more than a friend, tensions are heightened.
Although this book mirrored the quiet pace of real life, I found myself eager to find out what happened.
Favorite quotes:
"It's not that Alex...more
Although this book mirrored the quiet pace of real life, I found myself eager to find out what happened.
Favorite quotes:
"It's not that Alex...more
I enjoyed the alternate viewpoints of James and Alex throughout this novel. In the beginning, James is a jerk to his brother and ignores him, but he changes throughout the novel and comes to accept him and even regret not being there for him during a difficult time in his life. Alex, meanwhile, comes to accept his new life without former friends, finds a new friend and a new purpose, and almost starts over.
Alex being gay is not a huge issue in the novel. In fact it's not even brought up until h...more
Alex being gay is not a huge issue in the novel. In fact it's not even brought up until h...more
The human heart is capable of so many beautiful things when you allow it. For example...acceptance and love. This was a book I hadn't heard much about and I think that is a true shame. It surprised me. It is a lovely book that centers on the relationship between two brothers and the silence that could destroy their fragile relationship if they allow it. It deals remarkably well with the realization that you do not know the person living down the hall from you like you once did. It embraces what...more
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Kwesi, this would be a good title to add to your challenge.
Apr 27, 2011 09:30am
Apr 27, 2011 09:33am