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Shep Knacker has long saved for “The Afterlife”: an idyllic retreat to the Third World where his nest egg can last forever. Traffic jams on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway will be replaced with “talking, thinking, seeing, and being” — and enough sleep. When he sells his business for a cool million dollars, his dream finally seems within reach. Yet his wife Glynis has concoc ...more
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Published March 9th 2010 by Brilliance Audio (first published 2010)
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Jennifer (aka EM)
Left it at p. 46 and turned my attention to something else, thinking it was maybe my mood influencing the strong negative reaction I was having. Alas, no. Abandoned at p. 66. Those last twenty pages contained more hyperbole, overblown language, pontificating and exposition than I could stomach.

This is the speech Glynis makes to her husband, Shep, after a medical appointment during which she's learned that asbestos is likely the cause of her cancer -- asbestos her husband most likely brought hom
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Kinga
Oh, how I wanted to like this book. How I wanted to like Lionel Shriver! Alas, Lionel Shriver is not a very likeable writer.

"So Much For That" is about Shep who has been saving all his life so he can retire early to run away to a place where people bask in the sun and live on a dollar per day and he is now ready to go. And then his wife goes and spoils it all by saying something stupid like 'I have cancer'. So rather than living on a dollar a day, they live on a few thousand a day covering all t
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Alecia
There are parts of this book that I would actually rate no more than 2 stars. Sometimes the writing gets overwrought, awkward, and has the characters thinking or talking about the healthcare system or other issues in a preachy, pedantic way. But, in the end, the powerful writing and subject matter of the book impelled me to give it 4 stars (which, as one can see by my list, I do not give easily).

If you want to read a gifted writer describe how it is to be a terminally ill patient, a husband/car
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Will Byrnes
Lionel Shriver has written a very grown-up story that deals with serious subjects in a serious way. Shepherd Knacker has been saving all his life for what he calls the “Afterlife,” retirement to some sort of desert isle, away from the world in which he must work in order to finance his dream. But his plans hit a snag when his wife, Glynis, is diagnosed with a particularly virulent strain of cancer. His best friend, Jackson, has a teenage child with a rare genetic disease and the clear prospect o ...more
Bette BookAddict
Jun 17, 2014 Bette BookAddict rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: highly recommended
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A powerful novel with some pretty tough issues; cancer, FD (familial dysautonomia), suicide and the health care system in America. Although that all sounds pretty bleak, remember Lionel Shriver generally does offer a mostly sober read. That is not to say the novel is all bleak; it is not. While the book is mostly dialogue: really strong dialogue from all characters, a couple of the characters do possess a very satiric attitude and that makes for some humorous reading. It is a long novel with som
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Wanda
Shriver has produced a disquieting book, but for me ultimately satisfying. There are so many inter-related issues swirling around in it that it’s hard to get a grip on any one thing. But I’ll try to share some of my thoughts.

Number one, I’m so grateful to live in a country where a life-threatening illness won’t bankrupt me. Not to say that there are no expenses involved, but certainly not the bloodletting that happens in the United States. Yes, I’m Canadian and I will be staying here, thankyouve
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Judith
What a compelling story this is! I picked it up late last night and couldn't put it down till I fell asleep at 3 a.m. Then got up and couldn't do anything till I finished the book. The hero of this book is a hardworking long-suffering everyman whose lifelong dream to get away from it all is about to be realized. After scrimping and saving his whole life he finally has the funds and the guts to leave New York with his wife and son and move to a tropical island where he hopes to live the simple li ...more
Denise
Fictionalized account of lived experience of life threatening and chronic illness within America's health system. At the risk of leaving nothing to inference the author has made some of the dialogues/monologue on health care somewhat overbearing and put-on. At times this can be irritating. But I have to say that the issues are real, the character's situations seem real and the fault in health care are wide. The upbeat ending makes for a fairytale which few are fortunate to experience. Thoroughly ...more
Kate
I have truly loved Lionel Shriver's past novels, but now wonder if she isn't a lot like the hand-walking queer (that character in Beaches who does all kinds of freak circus tricks to wow the crowds on the boardwalk) or that friend you make on the first day of school who you have to shrug off in mid-October because they have become so annoying and demanding. So shrill! So showy! So longwinded! I would tell my Mom NOT to invite her for another play date.

So Much For That details two families' slow
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T. Edmund
Shriver is the absolute master of cliché.

I say this not because I believe she is some hack, or indeed is a writer of cliché. But, based on her hard-hitting We Need to Talk About Kevin, and her latest So Much for That I see Shriver as able to manipulate cliché, stereotype and formula to make something much much more meaningful.

The story begins with rich in money but not life Sheppard Knack, preparing to up and leave his home for a life less-complicated in a 3rd world country. His plans derail in
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Carol
Shepherd Knacker is a protagonist after my own heart, the kind of guy who works hard, pays his bills, pays a lot of his relatives' bills, takes care of his family and defers his dreams. He wants to escape the rat-race but his wife is diagnosed with cancer and he needs his health insurance. Or does he? The book is unsparing and clear about issues needing discussing, including, just how much health insurance (and Medicare) do NOT pay for, and, just how oncology gives patients awful treatments that ...more
Joe
I stayed up past midnight to finish the book, which tells you how much I cared about these characters. And I keep dwelling on the messages in the book today, namely:

What would I do if a family member got sick?
What would I want my friends and family to do if I got sick?
What is the proper relationship between healthcare and a functioning, moral society?

The novel appears to start off as a jeremiad, and maybe even just a vehicle for a political opinion, but launches from there to something much bi
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Nancy
Let me say up front, I am not recommending this book to anyone. I am not sure I exactly liked it, and I'm not sure who would be up for perhaps the most oxymoronic book I've read in awhile: a truly depressing page-turner. Add in that the ending is perhaps unearned, the author can tend toward polemic, pretty much none of the characters are likeable, and...yeah. It's a flawed book.

But there's a lot it gets right. How alone each person is when someone in a family gets cancer. How all of us dream of
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Aleeda
I am so glad I finished 2010 with this book rather than starting 2011 finishing it. For me it was one long, rant. An eloquent rant, but tiresome after the first 100 pages. The main focus of the rant is healthcare in the country, and I would be the first, from firsthand experience, to agree with many of the arguments. Still, I have personally found that it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.

Shep has finally reached an enviable position: he has enough money, and foresight in pl
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Ian Mapp
Think this is my book of the year.

I loved it - the characterisation, story, social commentary and wit that can only be described as Acerbic.

Shep is a great character. He has done everything by the book in his life - starting his own business, looking after family - which is extended beyond his kids and parents to even his sister - a rock, who pays for everything.

Through selling his own business (and soul, by working for the man he sold to) he has amassed a tidy sum to pay for his retirement in h
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Angela
Like Shriver's previous novel, The Post-Birthday World , the end result often doesn't change based on our actions; it's the journey there that allows us to subtly impose our own will. In So Much For That, she's tackled modern health care, and despite a lot of polemic ranting that caused me to put the book down for a few days around page 75 and read something else, rallies by the end to produce one of the more honest and powerful books about terminal disease I've ever read.

Shep is the responsibl
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Karen
I am shocked by the accolades this book has received. There were parts of the book that were enjoyable and surprising, particularly the ending, but reading this novel was immensely painful, primarily because almost all of the characters were unlikeable, self-pitying, cynical, self-absorbed, and simply unbearable. I realize that to some degree this was the point -- the characters are supposed to be "human" and flawed -- but their extreme lack of empathy for others actually made them seem like car ...more
Tim
Lionel Shriver's novel "So Much for That" successfully negotiates the tightrope walk of graphically, realistically presenting the horror of fatal disease but not allowing the book to be a complete downer. It's nice work.

Shriver tends not to bother avoiding overkill in her stories, and she doesn't here. Her characters get on their soap boxes, trading barbs and banter and scathing diatribes about whatever bee the author has in her bonnet at the moment. I have no problem with opinions and indictmen
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Marty
I think Lionel Shriver is a fantastic writer - We Need to Talk About Kevin and The Post Birthday World are two of my favorite books. This one, while still good, just isn't great.

The book is about the American health care system and how much it sucks. There are four medical crises in the novel, each of which cause total destruction to families' finances despite the fact that all of the sick people actually have health insurance.

Now, when I'm reading it (being a liberal and all), Shriver is preac
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David Harris
This novel highlights the barbaric and unsustainable system of health insurance in the US. It's long and the text is dense, so it takes a bit of discipline to get through it. But it's well worth it.
P J
Perhaps three unusual medical conditions are several too many for one novel - peritoneal mesothelioma and familial dysautonomia are rare enough conditions, although perhaps not rarer than complications arising from a botched penis enlargement, although the last is probably more, ah, accessible for most of us. What they illustrate in ‘So Much for That’ is the crippling cost of medical care in the USA. Us Europeans can only be horrified by what quickly happens to the million dollars that the hero, ...more
Sharon
This is the third Book by Lionel Shriver, that I have begun to read, but of those 3 books, the only one I have ever managed to finish. is "we need to talk about Kevin"

Why I find it hard to finish her books, when she can write a good story, with topics that make you think? When the story is a important one with a point? The simple fact is, I can't finish them, because I can't stand the way she writes her female characters.

I recognise that women such as the ones in the book exist. But I just can't
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Cait
I don't think Shriver meant to describe her own book with the following passage, but she did:

"Remember how sometimes, in the middle, a movie seems to drag? I get restless, and take a leak, or go for popcorn. But sometimes, the last part, it heats up, and then right before the credits one of us starts to cry - well , then you forget about the crummy middle, don't you? YOu don't care about the fact that it started slow, or had some plot twist along the way that didn't scan. Because it moved you, b
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Jamie Bradway
Mar 03, 2011 Jamie Bradway rated it 1 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Masochists
Shelves: tob-2011, audio, abandoned
I didn't earn the right to claim that this book is horrible. I did earn the right to say that the first third is, though. I can't go on.

Except for Shep, the characters in this novel are loathsome, nasty people. Glynis, Shep's wife and cancer patient, is weaponized, revealing her disease to friends and family in the ways that will hurt them the deepest. And reveling in the pain she causes. I can only believe that the author is deliberately challenging my compassion; can I bring to the surface sym
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Verity
There are two reasons I read this book:

1. I devoured We Need to Talk About Kevin, and was desperate to sample more of this writers work to see if I liked her as much as I thought I did.

2. I already had a copy of the book on my shelf waiting for me after Waterstones had seen me an unbound proof to review last year. (Oops, naughty me for not getting round to it for a year!)

Without these two reasons I doubt I'd have ever picked this book up. The plot line is depressing, to say the least.

As I have
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Joy
Jan 10, 2011 Joy marked it as to-read  ·  review of another edition
Shep Knacker has long saved for "The Afterlife": an idyllic retreat to the Third World where his nest egg can last forever. Traffic jams on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway will be replaced with "talking, thinking, seeing, and being"—and enough sleep. When he sells his home repair business for a cool million dollars, his dream finally seems within reach. Yet Glynis, his wife of twenty-six years, has concocted endless excuses why it's never the right time to go. Weary of working as a peon for the j ...more
Rachael Preston
Goodness, what a lot of words. I picked this book up because I enjoyed "We Need to Talk About Kevin." A lot. There was a tension, a suspense, in that book that was sorely missing here. It's good writing, and in a lot of ways the book reminded me of Jonathan Franzen, in its inclusiveness, and the author's desire to have a say on every position on every issue--politics, healthcare, the environment--that people get impassioned about. But it wasn't Franzen, if you know what I mean. It was too much. ...more
Jane
I did wonder where this book was going and how it would pan out, but it did come together in the end. The point was also evading me but as the book progressed it all became clear. Shriver is an excellent author, her writing and vocabulary exemplary. This is not my favourite book from her, I preferred 'Double Fault' and 'We Need To Talk About Kevin'.
When you have a goal in sight after building your own business and making money from its sale, to have that dream whipped from under your feet must
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Laura Gurrin
This book tells the parallel stories of married couples Shep and Glynis, and their friends Jackson and Carol. Both of these families have members with serious medical problems, and the book is largely about how the impact of terminal illness can affect families, not just psychologically but practically - including financially, as both families struggle with health insurance issues and the requirements that "staying insured" lays on them.

Unfortunately, this book is only marginally readable. Shep
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M
This is one of those books where you feel bad that you opened it, because it seems like all kinds of heinous things happen to the people inside as soon as you do.
The word I would use to describe this book is brutal. Shriver holds no punches, nor do her characters, in delving into the gritty and often uncomfortable details of everything from cancer to health insurance to surgery gone wrong.
In graphic detail and at times exhaustively so, Shriver portrays two couples who struggle with a close relat
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Lionel Shriver's novels include the New York Times bestseller The Post-Birthday World and the international bestseller We Need to Talk About Kevin, which won the 2005 Orange Prize and has now sold over a million copies worldwide. Earlier books include Double Fault, A Perfectly Good Family, and Checker and the Derailleurs. Her novels have been translated into twenty-five languages. Her journalism h ...more
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“What would I like to get away from? Complexity. Anxiety. A feeling I've had my whole life that at any given time there's something I'm forgetting, some detail or chore, something that I'm supposed to be doing or should have already done. That nagging sensation - I get up with it, I go through the day with it, I go to sleep with it. When I was a kid, I had a habit of coming home from school on Friday afternoons and immediately doing my homework. So I'd wake up on Saturday morning with this wonderful sensation, a clean, open feeling of relief and possibility and calm. There'd be nothing I had to do. Those Saturday mornings, they were a taste of real freedom that I've hardly ever experienced as an adult. I never wake up in Elmsford with the feeling that I've done my homework.” 11 likes
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